Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Agent Coulson

Mr Alan wrote: »

Positives:

1) Deals with the media well
2) Likes attacking football
3) Understands the ethos of the club
4) Had Suarez as a player

Negatives:

1) Shocking record in transfer market
2) Struggles to attract big name players
3) Tactically naive
4) Tactically inflexible
5) Defensive coaching (or lack thereof)
6) Talks ****e
7) Doesn't have Suarez as a player now.

A fairly fair summary as things stand IMO

Added one extra point to each.

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

Positives:

1) Deals with the media well
2) Likes attacking football
3) Understands the ethos of the club

Negatives:

1) Shocking record in transfer market
2) Struggles to attract big name players
3) Tactically naive
4) Tactically inflexible
5) Defensive coaching (or lack thereof)
6) Talks ****e


A fairly fair summary as things stand IMO

Do one for rafa there for the LOLs

mrsoundie

Mr Alan wrote: »

Positives:

1) Deals with the media well
2) Likes attacking football
3) Understands the ethos of the club

Negatives:

1) Shocking record in transfer market
2) Struggles to attract big name players
3) Tactically naive
4) Tactically inflexible
5) Defensive coaching (or lack thereof)
6) Talks ****e


A fairly fair summary as things stand IMO

Not bad at all. I am getting fairly bored of his after match interviews (they seem to follow the same script) and its a bit emperors new clothes feel to the whole thing. Time he went, I believe. A bit sad overall.

Chucky the tree

zerks wrote: »

And along comes another of the gang.....only a couple more to go & ye'll all be here.;)

Now get back on topic like a good man & take your digs to twitter.:rolleyes:

And back you go to RAWK.

Mr Alan

Augeo wrote: »

Do one for rafa there for the LOLs

What the **** does Rafa have to do with anything?

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

How come Liverpool appear incapable of even punching to their own weight this season if Rodgers was the catalyst for last seasons over performance?

The loss of sturridge and Suarez, quite simple really.

Mr Alan

rarnes1 wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of the negatives # 6 surely applies to almost every manager.

Rodgers more so than most tbh.

JohnDaniels

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Watching the WBA game, I'd kill to even have Wisdom back

Think if the club thought Manquillo would end up playing so many games this season they would have kept Wisdom for this playing time. Just been unlucky that Flanagan has been out for such a lengthy period.

Agent Coulson

When we lose I would like to see Colin Pascoe or Mike Marsh do the post match interview and say something like the manager is in there talking to the players.

It would better than having the manager out giving it the usual we were this that and the other great.

Cantona's Collars

Chucky the tree wrote: »

And back you go to RAWK.

:rolleyes:

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

What the **** does Rafa have to do with anything?

Much the same as your post about Rodgers not wanting sturridge.

Id like to see your pros and cons on rafa for some visibility on your critiqueing capability.

Mr Alan

Augeo wrote: »

The loss of sturridge and Suarez, quite simple really.

Suarez was not adequately replaced.

Sturridge is an incredibly injury prone player but yet we do not have sufficient back up.

The fault for both those things lies with Rodgers.

Mr Alan

Augeo wrote: »

Much the same as your post about Rodgers not wanting sturridge. Id like to see your pros and cons on rafa for some visibility on your critiqueing capability.

You're literally not making any sense.

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

Rodgers more so than most tbh.

C'mon, you can't take what managers say in public seriously. Fergie & Mourinhio come to mind as recent successful managers that talked complete nonsense. Wenger never sees incidents, etc etc.

He's certainly guilty of the other stuff but I take what he says with a large piece of salt

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

You're literally not making any sense.

The pros and cons for rafa aren't forthcoming so
Quel surprise.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

The pros and cons for rafa aren't forthcoming so
Quel surprise.

In fairness, what has Rafa got to do with the debate?

Mr Alan

Augeo wrote: »

The pros and cons for rafa aren't forthcoming so
Quel surprise.

They're not forthcoming because Rafa is not our manager nor is he likely to ever be our manager again. As such any pros/cons list in this thread at the moment would do nothing other than distract the conversation away from Rodgers current failings as our manager.

djPSB

Mr Alan wrote: »

Positives:

1) Deals with the media well
2) Likes attacking football
3) Understands the ethos of the club
4) Took the club to second in the PL
5) CL football for the first time in 5 years

Negatives:

1) Shocking record in transfer market - Not true
2) Struggles to attract big name players - Or maybe the club aren't providing the resources to attract big names
3) Tactically naive Area for improvement
4) Tactically inflexible - Perhaps this season. Last season Rodgers used various formations to outwit the opposition. Diamond, 4-3-3, 3-5-2 etc.
5) Defensive coaching (or lack thereof) - Area for improvement
6) Talks ****e - Null point


A fairly fair summary as things stand IMO

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Hangballlouie

Augeo wrote: »

Much the same as your post about Rodgers not wanting sturridge.

Id like to see your pros and cons on rafa for some visibility on your critiqueing capability.

If he really compared Rafa to Rodgers then you'd be crying to have Rafa back tomorrow. On a completely different level.

I really hope Rodgers proves me wrong and does reach the heights that we want for the club.

Agent Coulson

djPSB wrote: »

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1) Shocking record in transfer market - Not true

2) Struggles to attract big name players - Or maybe the club aren't providing the resources to attract big names




1)I really don't know how you can say Rodgers hasn't been shocking in the transfer market. He has been.

2) The club gave him £220m to spend that is providing resources to attract big names is it not?

Mr Alan

rarnes1 wrote: »

C'mon, you can't take what managers say in public seriously. Fergie & Mourinhio come to mind as recent successful managers that talked complete nonsense. Wenger never sees incidents, etc etc.

He's certainly guilty of the other stuff but I take what he says with a large piece of salt

I'm not talking about the usual **** managers come out with. I'm talking about this kinda stuff;

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/liverpool/157398/top-20-brilliantly-cringeworthy-brendan-rodgers-quotes.html

Don't get me wrong, it's not near his biggest failing, just rubs me up the wrong way to hear him pontificating while the team looks increasingly clueless.

hangballlouie

hangballlouie wrote: »

If he really compared Rafa to Rodgers then you'd be crying to have Rafa back tomorrow. On a completely different level.

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Rafa is currently at his level

Mr Alan

djPSB wrote: »

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The fact you can't admit how poor we've been in the transfer market really negates everything you say.

Honestly, our record is just appalling since Rodgers has come in.

Gbear

Agent Coulson wrote: »

We pumped close to £600m into the squad since Rafa became manager 10 years ago when they first won the league.

There's a difference between having the money to make a top quality side which you can top up with a couple of world class players every year and having a load of ****, not being able to buy top quality talent, not being able to play top class wages and having to constantly play catch-up.

Gbear

Agent Coulson wrote: »

1)I really don't know how you can say Rodgers hasn't been shocking in the transfer market. He has been.

You'd swear they all just came in, flopped and left or something.

15 of those he's signed currently make up our squad and at least 1 more will be coming back from his loan spell to come straight into the team (Origi is a certainty, Illori is a possibility).

Gerrard, Skretl, Lucas, Johnson, Jones, Suso, Flanno, Enrique, Hendo, Wisdom and Sterling are the ones left he inherited but all but 3 or 4 will be gone within 2 years.

He's had to build an almost entirely new squad.

The failures have either been loans - so other than a missed opportunity in Sahin, they don't matter, or we're going to make almost the entire fee back.

He's done perfectly fine in the market. People's problem is that our entire strategy (which is dictated by FSG and our financial situation) mostly isn't to buy players who're the finished article.

But getting in another manager won't change that. It's dictated to Rodgers by the club's hierarchy and it'd be the same with anyone else.

The notion that Rodgers has been a failure in the market is a myth being peddled by a football media aimed at illiterate morons.

djPSB

Mr Alan wrote: »

The fact you can't admit how poor we've been in the transfer market really negates everything you say.

Honestly, our record is just appalling since Rodgers has come in.

Shocking would be too strong of a word. It's been hit and miss like most managers.

As a matter of interest, why were you so keen to give Kenny more time on the back of his League Cup victory yet so keen to up the pressure on Rodgers? Surely the same principles should apply to both situations.

Mr Alan

Gbear wrote: »

The notion that Rodgers has been a failure in the market is a myth being peddled a football media aimed at illiterate morons.

No it's not.

Agent Coulson

djPSB wrote: »

Shocking would be too strong of a word. It's been hit and miss like most managers.

As a matter of interest, why were you so keen to give Kenny more time on the back of his League Cup victory yet so keen to up the pressure on Rodgers? Surely the same principles should apply to both situations.

Hit and Miss..

Brendan Rodgers has brought in 25 player as manager and spent £230 bringing these players in full time or on loan.

5 of those player maybe a hit.

He has been shocking bad in the transfer market.

djPSB

Agent Coulson wrote: »

We pumped close to £600m into the squad since Rafa became manager 10 years ago when they first won the league.

Billions???

How many billions have Chelsea spent?

They surpassed the 1 billion mark this year.

http://www.givemesport.com/182523-abramovich-1bn-well-spent-at-chelsea

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

No it's not.

Well you couldnt agree to be fair.