We Really Don't Have To Do This Anymore...

Wurly

I would like to invite the good citizens of After Hours to participate in one the most important discussions of our time.

Simply put, things just aren't working anymore with the current systems we have in place.

Here are a few examples of this:

- pollution and climate change
- distribution of wealth to keep the poor powerless and the elite powerful
- governments that don't serve their people correctly
- extinction of bees, plants, marine creatures and animals
- wasting of food while others starve
- the dumbing down of a nation via medications, contaminates in food, junk media and broadcasting etc.
- nanny states
- erosion of social interactions
- filtered versions of the news so we can be kept ignorant by the powers that be
- wars

The list goes on and on.

It doesn't matter what your views are on climate change, water charges, candidates in government and so on. We each know somewhere inside ourselves that this is not how it's supposed to be.

Perhaps we can't see a different way. Maybe we have been scared by the media and the people in power for so long that we have forgotten our power.

This is where you come in. I want us to have a discussion on new ideas to help build a fairer and happier world for us all. This is not some airy fairy 'hippy' crap. I ask you - Are you happy with how your world is being run? If we don't talk about this, who will? If not now, then when?

There are so many of us with good intentions on this planet that become immobilised by fear or non understanding. Why couldn't we create a fairer world and tear down systems that don't work for us?

I know that some would just prefer to take the p1ss and think of witty things to say. But this stuff is really serious. Without the planet, we have nowhere to live. Without any power, we are essentially slaves. Can you not see where things are heading? It doesn't have to be this way. And we really don't have to do this anymore. So let's rely on our intelligence and our intuition to come up with solutions.

We can be the generation that changes the world in an amazing way. We have a moral and social obligation to be talking about this stuff with one another. The survival of our species, our planet and our overall happiness absolutely depends on it. Surely this is a more important discussion than celebrity trends, favourite foods, slagging people off etc. In fact, it is the MOST important discussion. Our own ignorance is literally killing us.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this stuff. By creating positive and vibrant discussion, we can help to educate and inspire others. We can help to wake other's up one by one until the power structure tilts in our favour.

Don't let a non understanding or propagandised notions to cloud your view. It's really important that we come together as one to solve our problems. It benefits us all. All each of us ever wants is love and happiness. This is what we're all really striving for.

So let's talk about how we can make this happen.

To give you an idea of what i'm on about, please watch this installment of Russell Brand's, "The Trews".

"The people who say that the system is working, work for the system".

Remember, before you slag this off, ask yourself - Are you happy with the way things are being run? If not, then let's get talking!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB5ruipf0rk

Sunnyisland

To long to read.

Sunnyisland

That's another that's wrong with us today, no patience .

caustic 1

Gets popcorn.

Celly Smunt

Russell Brand on Social issues?


I'm gonna leggit.

Wurly

realies wrote: »

To long to read.

caustic 1 wrote: »

Gets popcorn.

Two fine contributions, thank you both.

Wurly

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Russell Brand on Social issues?


I'm gonna leggit.

And why is that?

caustic 1

Wurly wrote: »

Two fine contributions, thank you both.

It's Saturday night, Bank holiday weekend and an extra hour in bed, also after hours.

Celly Smunt

Wurly wrote: »

And why is that?

Well he wouldn't exactly be the most learned in the field for one.

coffee_cake

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Russell Brand on Social issues?


I'm gonna leggit.

I don't even know what he's saying. I tried.

Pare back the government big time and taxes and we'll have a good start

Fr_Dougal

I think what you're trying to achieve might take more than one thread.

humberklog

Ist proposal would be to stop using Russell Brand political quotes and clips. It gives off too strong a whiff of lazy adolescent revolution from under the duvet about lunchtime on a tuesday.

Wurly

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Russell Brand on Social issues?


I'm gonna leggit.

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't even know what he's saying. I tried.

Pare back the government big time and taxes and we'll have a good start

He's saying that the current political system doesn't work as it's controlled by big businesses. The governments don't have much power anymore and so the system is rotten.

He's proposing a new model of power whereby people pool resources to create their own power. None of us have all the answers which is why I think it's important to discuss this amongst each other for our highest good.

In your quote, you've indirectly agreed that the current system is not working. So that's what he's talking about. I'd encourage you to watch a few more of his videos to get further insights on the whole concept.

kneemos

What pisses me off about this climate change bandwagon is that the rain forests continue to be cut down hand over fist.
Where's the "peer reviewed"papers and protests over that?
The biggest environmental disaster of our time gets completely ignored in favour of some airy fairy guesses at what might happen to global temperatures in the further.

Wurly

TheZohan wrote: »

I think what you're trying to achieve might take more than one thread.

Possibly. But everything has to start somewhere.

humberklog wrote: »

Ist proposal would be to stop using Russell Brand political quotes and clips. It gives off too strong a whiff of lazy adolescent revolution from under the duvet about lunchtime on a tuesday.

And what makes Russell Brand less of an authority to speak about these issues than some guy in a suit in government who doesn't really care about you anyway?

Shakespeare's Sister

Fluoride.

I love a good flu ride. You've no energy for it when you're in the throes of flu, but when you start to feel better it's really rejuvenating.

One eyed Jack

Serious opinion?

OP while I appreciate what you're attempting to do, essentially for me you shot yourself in the foot with the inclusion of far too many things to be concerned about, your use of phrases like 'nanny state', 'wealth redistribution', and for the love of...

Russell Brand? Russell Brand?


But the final nail in the coffin for your efforts, was this little beauty -

Wurly wrote: »

Don't let a non understanding or propagandised notions to cloud your view.

I'm quite happy to ignore all propagandised notions, including with all due respect to the effort you went to in your OP, but your propaganda is just as woeful as the imaginary propaganda you speak out against. You just can't see it yourself.

Do we live in a perfect world? No.

Would I like to live in a world created from your idealism? Hell no.

I'm quite content as I am thanks.

fr336

In before:

"Get with the REAL world you lefty loon"

"Russell Brand is a hypocrite"

"Russell Brand is an idiot"

"Off to do the waterbucket challenge because I ACTUALLY CARE"

coffee_cake

Wurly wrote: »

He's saying that the current political system doesn't work as it's controlled by big businesses. The governments don't have much power anymore and so the system is rotten.

They have plenty of power and give it to businesses which is the problem. Without that other businesses find it easier to set up, compete, consumer is better off
Government spurring on reckless lending by interfering with the system then socialising private debt once it collapsed was a large part of the issue. Even more socialism is not the answer

He's proposing a new model of power whereby people pool resources to create their own power.

So ... more businesses and more governments?

In your quote, you've indirectly agreed that the current system is not working.

I think it's well known enough I'm a libertarian and would prefer to reduce government and its grasping, incompetence, and monopoly

Wurly

kneemos wrote: »

What pisses me off about this climate change bandwagon is that the rain forests continue to be cut down hand over fist.
Where's the "peer reviewed"papers and protests over that?
The biggest environmental disaster of our time gets completely ignored in favour of some airy fairy guesses at what might happen to global temperatures in the further.

This is what i'm talking about. The fact that the rainforests are being cut down at all. We can talk about who's on what side and this and that. But the problem is the rainforests are being cut down.

So rather than focus on fighting amongst each other AGAIN, let's see why this problem exists in the first place and what we can do to solve it.

The people in power aren't busting their arses to solve this problem. They should be. So does the system work? No it doesn't.

So this is why we need the discussion. So that we can find solutions!

endacl

+1 on the 'feck off away with yer Russell Brand shytology'.

Frank Lee Midere

Wurly wrote: »

He's saying that the current political system doesn't work as it's controlled by big businesses. The governments don't have much power anymore and so the system is rotten.

He's proposing a new model of power whereby people pool resources to create their own power. None of us have all the answers which is why I think it's important to discuss this amongst each other for our highest good.

In your quote, you've indirectly agreed that the current system is not working. So that's what he's talking about. I'd encourage you to watch a few more of his videos to get further insights on the whole concept.

When people pool their powers we are going to have crap smart phones.

The problems with the modern world is the useful technology driving corporations but corrupt national politicians, low interest rates which cause mis allocation of capital, unregulated casino financial capitalism. Not google, amazon or Apple which provide useful goods and services.

Is Russell brand giving that book away for free? Downloadable PDF somewhere?

humberklog

Wurly wrote: »

And what makes Russell Brand less of an authority to speak about these issues than some guy in a suit in government who doesn't really care about you anyway?

You're asking me a question on a point I didn't make. What's going on there?

Wurly

bluewolf wrote: »

They have plenty of power and give it to businesses which is the problem. Without that other businesses find it easier to set up, compete, consumer is better off
Government spurring on reckless lending by interfering with the system then socialising private debt once it collapsed was a large part of the issue. Even more socialism is not the answer

Ok this really is bigger than you think it is. Big corporations absolutely own and control the world's wealth. The government have no control over this. The government answers to them, not us! There are countless sources of evidence to prove this online. Google it and do your research so that you can broaden your understanding.

So ... more businesses and more governments?

Possibly. But the key point here is 'local'. Or 'community'. You know, the thing that is actually being destroyed by globalisation? I'd prefer not to use the word 'government' to describe what the new movement would be called as at this stage, it has a negative connotation attached to it. I think we need a new system and a system by a new name.

I think it's well known enough I'm a libertarian and would prefer to reduce government and its grasping, incompetence, and monopoly

I don't post on after hours very regularly so i'm not up to speed on what each poster believes in. I don't think it matters anyway. We all just want to be safe and happy. The current system doesn't support that.

coffee_cake

Wurly wrote: »

Ok this really is bigger than you think it is. Big corporations absolutely own and control the world's wealth. The government have no control over this. The government answers to them, not us! There are countless sources of evidence to prove this online. Google it and do your research so that you can broaden your understanding.

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I haven't done my research

Reading and learning is how I turned from a far-lefty to a libertarian

fr336

bluewolf wrote: »

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I haven't done my research

Reading and learning is how I turned from a far-lefty to a libertarian
The problem is government not companies. Do some more research yourself and maybe a bit more than russell brand videos

Surely it varies greatly worldwide?

Wurly

humberklog wrote: »

Your asking me a question on a point I didn't make. What's going there?

Your post read to me as if you were inferring a video from Russell Brand is less plausible than any other video. If I took you up wrong, my mistake.

Your post was attempting to discredit my proposal. So does it really matter which part I fixated on?

Wurly

bluewolf wrote: »

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I haven't done my research

Reading and learning is how I turned from a far-lefty to a libertarian
The problem is government not companies. Do some more research yourself and maybe a bit more than russell brand videos

There is really no need to be so patronising. I meant with the greatest of respect the part about research. I was basically saying that there is a wealth of information online to support the fact that big business owns the world. And I was inviting you to have a look.

Your comments re being able to read and write as well as the video I posted are just downright nasty. My intention is good here. So i'm wondering why you feel the need to be so condescending.

Anyway, nevermind.

coffee_cake

Wurly wrote: »

Your comments re being able to read and write
.

??
I didn't make any comments about being able to read and write

The Backwards Man

The day I start listening to the glitterati preaching about the illuminati I'll be castrati.

When are the people that harp constantly about 'us' and 'them' going to realise that they are actually one of 'them'?

humberklog

Wurly wrote: »

Your post read to me as if you were inferring a video from Russell Brand is less plausible than any other video. If I took you up wrong, my mistake.

Your post was attempting to discredit my proposal. So does it really matter which part I fixated on?

Yes. It does.