Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

bucketybuck

In some states in the US if somebody gets killed because of a crime such as burglary being committed, the burglar can be convicted for the killing as well as it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't committed the burglary. So if two people break into a house and the homeowner shoots one of the them, the other burglar can be charged with manslaughter for the death of the 2nd burglar. Its a great law.

Each of the five scumbags in the Polo should be charged with the vehicular manslaughter of this woman. They would probably still get released, but at least they would officially be murdering scum.

Cee-Jay-Cee

REXER wrote: »

I regard Gardai involved in high speed pursuits that causes death or injury of innocent bystanders exactly the same as I would armed police that open fire in a crowded location causing injury or death of innocent bystanders.
Irresponsible!
Do they not have radios and can they not organize a coordinated response to end these sort of situations?
!

Where have you been the last few years? the Gardai have zero resources, age old cars and dropping personnel numbers. How exactly do you expect them to organise a co-ordinated approach with clapped out cars and bugger all man power?

Laois6556

It's a really sad story. You have to feel really sorry for the womans family. RIP.

You have to ask why the gardaí were attempting to block the scumbags though, especially in the position they chose. A car travelling at such high speed crashing into the garda car wouldn't have ended well either. No slip roads were closed, no warning for motorists, it just wasn't safe to attempt any manoeuvre.

nelly17

Its shocking such a terrible tragedy

SEPT 23 1989

Do the Gardai have the same level of training as the motorway cops in the UK?

TheNog

REXER wrote: »

I regard Gardai involved in high speed pursuits that causes death or injury of innocent bystanders exactly the same as I would armed police that open fire in a crowded location causing injury or death of innocent bystanders.
Irresponsible!
Do they not have radios and can they not organize a coordinated response to end these sort of situations?

RIP to the innocent victim of this senseless chase. A very sad and unnecessary outcome!

Rexer a pursuit is a constantly changing situation second by second. Although you can try to put quickly laid plans in place they do not always work. You try to plan for many outcomes but cannot plan for everything. Until a detailed investigation is complete we cannot confidently point the blame at anyone yet.

Vehicle pursuits happen very regularly throughout the country and are not reported in the media. I do not have any stats but would be confident in saying they happen daily or almost daily somewhere in Ireland. Many pursuits end successfully without injury, many are ended by the Gardai because the pursuit was considered too dangerous for the public, the driver of the car being pursued and the Gardai pursuing.

Cyber Ghost

Scumbags.

R.I.P to that poor woman

TheNog

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Do the Gardai have the same level of training as the motorway cops in the UK?

Yes certain Gardai are trained to Advanced Driving level which would include pursuits. The level of training is the same as in the UK.

REXER

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Where have you been the last few years? the Gardai have zero resources, age old cars and dropping personnel numbers. How exactly do you expect them to organise a co-ordinated approach with clapped out cars and bugger all man power?

So do you really feel that that should exonerate them for escalating the situation?

http://www.finegael.ie/our-people/tds/bernard-durkan/update-garda-motor-fleet-/

As of 22 September 2014 the Garda fleet was 2513, with 438 new vehicles added in 2013 and 88 new vehicles added so far (up to 22 September) in 2014.

That is more than 20% of the fleet that is practically new.

Most of what I see on the road are substantially newer than what I drive!

Gannicus

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sure god love them. You can see the script in front of the judge already - "only buzzin, nuthin to do, bad upbringing" etc

Don't forget the facebook statuses from fellow scummers:
"Get well soon."
"He's a lovely bloke"
"Couldn't meet a nicer bloke. feel better soon"

KungPao wrote: »

They have a lack of 'facilities' in fairness. Poor lads.

My arse. there is more facilities now then I had as a teenager and I never resorted to joyriding or manslaughter (which is what I hope each of the five of those scumbags get).

foggy_lad

shuffles88 wrote: »

We need to crack down seriously on this sort of behaviour. None of these little scrotes have any fear because they'll most likely walk away with a slap on the wrist when all is said and done. A woman who was innocently going about her day is now dead because of the actions of the 5 people in that car. No doubt a family somewhere not too far away from me right now has had their hearts ripped out because of the stupid reckless f*ckery of those arseholes.

Innocentlygoing about her day! Adding to and benefiting her family and community and society!

Those five bastards will have all their medical and court expenses paid for by us ordinary people just like the unfortunate woman they murdered! They will be a burden on the state while they will always seek to steal and burgle our homes. They will most likely bring cases against the state and Gardai for compensation for their injuries and win.

It is about time for one of the few american police policy's I believe in, and these ****s can be driven into the barriers or into the ditch to stop them, even if it kills them they are committing a crime so if they die it is their own tough luck!

Time to protect the public at large!

FionnK86

Gannicus wrote: »

Don't forget the facebook statuses from fellow scummers:
"Get well soon."
"He's a lovely bloke"
"Couldn't meet a nicer bloke. feel better soon"



My arse. there is more facilities now then I had as a teenager and I never resorted to joyriding or manslaughter (which is what I hope each of the five of those scumbags get).

I have a feeling the criminals involved in this one, were not scumbag youths from a disadvantage background. I believe they probably had a comfortable upbringing funded by their relation to thieves, you know them type of people.

foggy_lad

REXER wrote: »

I regard Gardai involved in high speed pursuits that causes death or injury of innocent bystanders exactly the same as I would armed police that open fire in a crowded location causing injury or death of innocent bystanders.
Irresponsible!
Do they not have radios and can they not organize a coordinated response to end these sort of situations?

RIP to the innocent victim of this senseless chase. A very sad and unnecessary outcome!

I regard bastards that kill an innocent bystander while they are committing crime or evading capture as murdering scum that deserve a nasty end so let the Gardai stop them with maximum force having regard for the safety of the public.

Caliden

REXER wrote: »

So do you really feel that that should exonerate them for escalating the situation?

http://www.finegael.ie/our-people/tds/bernard-durkan/update-garda-motor-fleet-/

As of 22 September 2014 the Garda fleet was 2513, with 438 new vehicles added in 2013 and 88 new vehicles added so far (up to 22 September) in 2014.

That is more than 20% of the fleet that is practically new.

Most of what I see on the road are substantially newer than what I drive!

The cars may be newer but they're not exactly built for high speed motorway pursuits and are mainly diesels.

The UK motorway cops have high powered (300bhp+) cars capable of going 170mph and those are cars that are built for going that speed.


Just last year there was a gang in Galway/Mayo that was able to outrun the Gardai in a Subaru Legacy which had about 250hp and was 4 wheel drive so it easily out ran those chasing.

Pedro K

The very notion of a high speed chase in a polo is laughable. Our coppers need to be given decent vehicles and proper pursuit training.

BMW offered to provide our Gardai with a purpose built fleet a while back for a very competitive price.

Ah no. Just keep sending them out in Yarises, Fiestas and Puntos.

ThisRegard

REXER wrote: »

I regard Gardai involved in high speed pursuits that causes death or injury of innocent bystanders exactly the same as I would armed police that open fire in a crowded location causing injury or death of innocent bystanders.
Irresponsible!
Do they not have radios and can they not organize a coordinated response to end these sort of situations?

RIP to the innocent victim of this senseless chase. A very sad and unnecessary outcome!

You've no idea what happened, but sure jump to tabloid conclusions anyway

endacl

Pedro K wrote: »

The very notion of a high speed chase in a polo is laughable. Our coppers need to be given decent vehicles and proper pursuit training.

BMW offered to provide our Gardai with a purpose built fleet a while back for a very competitive price.

Ah no. Just keep sending them out in Yarises, Fiestas and Puntos.

It was the servicing and maintenance costs that scuppered that one. The fleet has to be maintained, and BMW part aren't cheap.

FionnK86

All the guards around Newbridge have new Mondeos and Volvos, which are satisfactory for chases. The problem isn't the fleet, it's not having the monitoring hardware in place to track fugitives on the road.

eviltwin

One of the occupants of the car was just 13!!! What the fcuk is wrong with this country? I think this story is so sad, as someone else said it could have been anyone of us. RIP to the victim.

the_monkey

Pity it looks like the scum in the car will survive this, will probably sue the Gardai and be awarded 1000's in compensation.

The Muppet

Condolences to the family of poor lady who died last night.

Now that they are caught I hope that those in the polo are dealth with for the crimes they committed that led to this tragedy.

I hope the injured Garda make a full recovery.

I don't wish to be critical of the Garda especially as we don't have the full details however the incident does raise some questions.

I'd like to know why the car was being chased, I've seen reports that it was due to an unpaid toll, surely that can't be true. There is no way the public should have been put at risk like they were over something so trivial.

Making a boxing maneuver at a slip road sounds crazily dangerous to me too, were all the Garda drivers involved trained in such maneuvers . Hopefully the ombudsman report will give the answers.

Guy:Incognito

Caliden wrote: »

The cars may be newer but they're not exactly built for high speed motorway pursuits and are mainly diesels.

The UK motorway cops have high powered (300bhp+) cars capable of going 170mph and those are cars that are built for going that speed.


Just last year there was a gang in Galway/Mayo that was able to outrun the Gardai in a Subaru Legacy which had about 250hp and was 4 wheel drive so it easily out ran those chasing.

Do you need to do 170 to keep up with a polo with 5 people in it?

hollypink

The Muppet wrote: »

I'd like to know why the car was being chased, I've seen reports that it was due to an unpaid toll, surely that can't be true. There is no way the public should have been put at risk like they were over something so trivial.

I thought I heard on the news that it crashed through the toll barrier, and that's why the gardai pursued it. Presumably they felt the public were at risk?

Poor woman and her family.

FionnK86

The Muppet wrote: »

Condolences to the family of poor lady who died last night.

Now that they are caught I hope that those in the polo are dealth with for the crimes they committed that led to this tragedy.

I hope the injured Garda make a full recovery.

I don't wish to be critical of the Garda especially as we don't have the full details however the incident does raise some questions.

I'd like to know why the car was being chased, I've seen reports that it was due to an unpaid toll, surely that can't be true. There is no way the public should have been put at risk like they were over something so trivial.

Making a boxing maneuver at a slip road sounds crazily dangerous to me too, were all the Garda drivers involved trained in such maneuvers . Hopefully the ombudsman report will give the answers.

I didn't see any reports of an unpaid toll? Where are they? There are reports they were robbing homes in Tipperary.

bucketybuck

A lot of armchair refereeing here towards the guards when we don't have the faintest idea what actually happened.

Perhaps they were highly trained, perhaps the cars were perfectly able to catch the polo. (Obviously they were in fact, seeing as they had caught it).

If a police car is right beside the fleeing suspect car then you know what, actually no I don't want them to stop and let the scumbags get away in case an accident happens. I do want them to try and force the other car off the road. I do feel for the innocent woman who got caught up in this but thats just hindsight, a culture where the guards will refuse to chase any fleeing suspect just leads to a culture where the scumbags will try to flee at speed every single time safe in the knowledge that they won't be chased.

bucketybuck

The Muppet wrote: »

I'd like to know why the car was being chased, I've seen reports that it was due to an unpaid toll, surely that can't be true. There is no way the public should have been put at risk like they were over something so trivial.

The scumbags will just love that one.

"Telling ye mate, if the cops try to pull you over just floor it and drive like a mad one, they won't chase ye at all like..."

Barely There

The Muppet wrote: »

I don't wish to be critical of the Garda especially as we don't have the full details however

You really should have stopped there.

TheNog

The Muppet wrote: »

I don't wish to be critical of the Garda especially as we don't have the full details however the incident does raise some questions.

I'd like to know why the car was being chased, I've seen reports that it was due to an unpaid toll, surely that can't be true. There is no way the public should have been put at risk like they were over something so trivial.

No it is reported they were possibly involved involved in a number of burglaries in the north Tipperary area

http://www.independent.ie/news/innocent-woman-killed-and-seven-injured-after-garda-chase-ends-in-tragedy-innocent-woman-30689186.html

Even still if a pursuit occurred even from an unpaid toll it would mean something more serious is behind the reason why they were failing to stop. Sometimes pursuits start with no obvious reason known to Gardai at the time of pursuing.

Making a boxing maneuver at a slip road sounds crazily dangerous to me too, were all the Garda drivers involved trained in such maneuvers . Hopefully the ombudsman report will give the answers.

The media reports a boxing in maneourve which could mean either an attempt to box in the Polo to stop it involving 2-4 Garda patrol cars or it could simply mean one patrol car was trying to keep the Polo on the motorway because pursuits generally are safer on the motorway as opposed to high speeds on country roads. At this time we simply do not know.

Iranoutofideas

Said on Newstalk the occupants of the Polo are travellers.

nelly17

Theres a lot of people being very critical of the guards here - I'm sure the Guards involved are devistated (if well enough to know what happened) the real culprits here are the little scroats in that Polo - this whole thing is THEIR fault and nobody elses