More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

Timberrrrrrrr

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You didn't answer, and the definition of the word here is important.
If the British government was working in unison with the UVF, weren't all UK forces also involved in terrorism?
Unless you're about to claim the UVF themselves weren't terrorist...

That's the part there that needs to be proven before i could answer that question.

Fr. Ned

Happyman42 wrote: »

I have a feeling he may step aside until this is resolved in a court of law.

Right thinking people need to advise Cahill to get this into a court as a priority. And with Gerry stepping aside temporarily, the heat will go out of this and allow the right course of action to be taken.

If Adams steps aside there'll be a lot of political opportunists going 'Oh Bollox, we got what we wished for"

bobbysands81

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

That's the part there that needs to be proven before i could answer that question.

You don't believe the Brit Government worked with loyalist paramilitaries?

By worked I mean funded, provided intelligence, guns, bombs and manpower.

Godge

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Every political party will defend their leader. That's a given.
As explained before, I use the term 'tax non dom' for a reason.
If you want to name who I'm talking about then go ahead.

BTW, Sinn Fein are the only party asking for a truth and reconciliation commission, similar to the one they had in South Africa, to be set up.
Nobody else seems to want it. Why's that?

SF want a Truth and Reconciliation Commission with an amnesty for offenders.

There is nobody else in Ireland who will give an amnesty to sex abusers.

As for the "tax non dom", more stupid whataboutery.

bobbysands81

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You are Sean Hannity and I claim my $5.

Since the UK, RUC and UVF were working in unison, doesn't that make the UK a terrorist organisation?

According to the White House, Yes.

Timberrrrrrrr

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You don't believe the Brit Government worked with loyalist paramilitaries?

By worked I mean funded, provided intelligence, guns, bombs and manpower.

What i believe is irrelevant without proof. A bit like you saying Gerry wasn't in tha RA

Fr. Ned

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You didn't answer, and the definition of the word here is important.
If the British government was working in unison with the UVF, weren't all UK forces also involved in terrorism?
Unless you're about to claim the UVF themselves weren't terrorist...

Robert Niarac.
Enough said.

Dan_Solo

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So let's get this straight, Sinn Fein.....been around for a LOOOOOOONG time, Knew NOTHING about the abuse of children in the Republic because they were not in power and therefore no one told them anything?

Why would the Gardaí or social services be reporting to Sinn Fein in the Republic of Ireland?
A laughable theory.

Godge

Happyman42 wrote: »

I have a feeling he may step aside until this is resolved in a court of law.

Right thinking people need to advise Cahill to get this into a court as a priority. And with Gerry stepping aside temporarily, the heat will go out of this and allow the right course of action to be taken.

This is no longer about whether Gerry steps down or not. You guys are too insular to see that.

This is now about where are the sex abusers that Gerry said were sent down South. Gerry Adams is dead in the water as far as most decent people are concerned and they are just worried about their children.

Fr. Ned

Godge wrote: »

SF want a Truth and Reconciliation Commission with an amnesty for offenders.

There is nobody else in Ireland who will give an amnesty to sex abusers.

As for the "tax non dom", more stupid whataboutery.

'tax non dom' refers to a certain individual who controls the media output in this country.
I don't name him.

Timberrrrrrrr

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Why would the Gardaí or social services be reporting to Sinn Fein in the Republic of Ireland?
A laughable theory.

Yeah


No members of the guards ever talked to the RA :rolleyes:

super_furry

Typical misdirection and victimhood from Adams. "This accusation is a vile slur on thousands of decent, upstanding republican people right across this island." "They speculate with ill-concealed glee about how much damage this controversy will do to me and Sinn Féin."

Happyman42

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What i believe is irrelevant without proof.)

I've been trying to say exactly that about the Cahill case since the start of the thread.

bobbysands81

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What i believe is irrelevant without proof. A bit like you saying Gerry wasn't in tha RA

So you don't believe Mairia Cahill then?

bobbysands81

Happyman42 wrote: »

Adams to give an address shortly- resignation or further clarification? Bet now.
Winnings paid in Northern Ireland banknotes!

It's about time he tried to sort this mess.

Hopefully what he does/says addresses any outstanding issues and sorts this whole mess out so politics on this island can move forward and so Mairia Cahill can move forward and get some peace.

Dan_Solo

super_furry wrote: »

Typical misdirection and victimhood from Adams. "This accusation is a vile slur on thousands of decent, upstanding republican people right across this island." "They speculate with ill-concealed glee about how much damage this controversy will do to me and Sinn Féin."

Unless of course it's true.
Why do you think Cahill got a meeting with Enda exactly?

Dan_Solo

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah


No members of the guards ever talked to the RA :rolleyes:

Now your claim is that An Garda Siochana were colluding with the IRA?
Were they jealous of the UDR/RUC/paramilitary love in or what?

Dan_Solo

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1025/654790-sinn-fein/
RTE's supposed report on Adams' statement.
Funny how it's 90% statements by Kenny and Cahill isn't it?

Happyman42

Godge wrote: »

This is no longer about whether Gerry steps down or not. You guys are too insular to see that.

This is now about where are the sex abusers that Gerry said were sent down South. Gerry Adams is dead in the water as far as most decent people are concerned and they are just worried about their children.

Well seems he ain't going anywhere. Personally, I am delighted. This is an attack on the whole republican movement.
Very clear stance from Adams, 'I'm not sneaking away and will face down false allegations'. And the point being made is, votes do not come before principles. Cahill now has to produce something resembling proof of her allegations or the whole thing is dead in the water.

Eamondomc

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Why would the Gardaí or social services be reporting to Sinn Fein in the Republic of Ireland?
A laughable theory.

Laughable? Do you believe that none of the above mentioned were not involved in the IRA or Sinn Fein? Laughable indeed

Fr. Ned

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah


No members of the guards ever talked to the RA :rolleyes:

Are you suggesting that the Gardai, the ones you want to 'beat and pepper spray protesters off the streets', have links to the PIRA?
Have you a source for this claim?

K-9

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I never voted for Sinn Fein until the recent local elections.
I will vote for them in the next GE.
It's become quite obvious that the main two party's are one and the same thing, steeped in corruption and cronyism.
Their main MO against other party's is to use smear tactics, on another forum a well known FFail activist confirmed that they had people on the ground in the 6 counties actively looking for dirt on SF.
Regarding sex abuse, one should remember that both FFail and FG stood back and allowed children be beaten, raped and even murdered by members of the Catholic church and their agents for decades in this country and there's documented proof of many people informing them and the Gardai of what was happening, yet they allowed it to continue for fear of upsetting their core Catholic vote.
In the north of Ireland there was no police force for one section of the community. When Aine Adams went to the RUC the only thing they were interested in was getting her to inform on Gerry Adams, she was just another 'taig' who got abused and they weren't interested in what happened to her.

Sinn Fein may have questions to answer here ok and there is a PPS investigation into that at the moment.
Anyone trying to second guess that investigation could be responsible for bring down any case that may arise from it.

I firmly believe that some posters on here have no feelings of compassion for Maria Cahill, the main protagonist on these threads being a poster with a 5 year+ record of attacking Sinn Fein on this board, and know at the back of it that most lightly no prosecutions will be brought.
She is being used as a political football in the same way McConville and McCabe have been for years now.
That, in my opinion, is DISGUSTING.

There are other options out there you know! Like ones not implicated in sexual abuse stuff.

Gerry sounded very FF at his shindig, which is fine by you going by the above, surprised he don't go full Pee Flynn and blame the meejia.

Fr. Ned

Good to see the 4 people acquitted of being involved in a 'kangaroo court' in the north have decided against getting involved in enda's kangaroo court in the south.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/four-accused-of-interrogating-cahill-will-not-meet-taoiseach-says-solicitor-647631.html

Fr. Ned

K-9 wrote: »

There are other options out there you know! Like ones not implicated in sexual abuse stuff.

Gerry sounded very FF at his shindig, which is fine by you going by the above, surprised he don't go full Pee Flynn and blame the meejia.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion k9.
Only some have sanctions against them for it though.

Dan_Solo

K-9 wrote: »

There are other options out there you know! Like ones not implicated in sexual abuse stuff.

Gerry sounded very FF at his shindig, which is fine by you going by the above, surprised he don't go full Pee Flynn and blame the meejia.

So if one person implicates a political party in "sex abuse stuff" wth no other evidence that's enough for you to never vote for them?

Timberrrrrrrr

bobbysands81 wrote: »

So you don't believe Mairia Cahill then?

Oh i believe her, i don't beleive the beard.

K-9

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion k9.
Only some have sanctions against them for it though.

Your pretty clear on your opinions, SF can do anything including covering up child sexual abuse because FF/FG did the same.

Fr. Ned

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Oh i believe her, i don't beleive the beard.

What, when he says there were 'kangaroo courts'?

michael999999

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion k9.
Only some have sanctions against them for it though.

Careful!

Your on the wrong side of this argument.

K-9

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So if one person implicates a political party in "sex abuse stuff" wth no other evidence that's enough for you to never vote for them?

Probably, the Liam Adams stuff is very off putting.