Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Innish_Rebel

malascoile wrote: »

Draw game. 12 points apiece. Who goes though?

DLS - they are a point ahead of Midleton in the table...

It makes sense

Innish_Rebel wrote: »

DLS - they are a point ahead of Midleton in the table...

Hard to swallow being an east cork man but for third year running Midleton CBS have not qualified out of the group stages I know teacher/coaches are giving up their time but for a school with such a pick it is just not good enough I have said it before that those in charge do not create the right vibe/competition for places and the results over the last three years prove that one year a blip three on the spin says there is a problem as far as I know same management teachers-coaches have been there for the same period, something has to change even O'callaghan cups which they won in their sleep nothing last three years. Not good for Cork hurling that they cannot progress.

willietherock

It makes sense wrote: »

Hard to swallow being an east cork man but for third year running Midleton CBS have not qualified out of the group stages I know teacher/coaches are giving up their time but for a school with such a pick it is just not good enough I have said it before that those in charge do not create the right vibe/competition for places and the results over the last three years prove that one year a blip three on the spin says there is a problem as far as I know same management teachers-coaches have been there for the same period, something has to change even O'callaghan cups which they won in their sleep nothing last three years. Not good for Cork hurling that they cannot progress.

Not the teachers fault the players are comically overrated. All soft as **** tippy tappy type hurlers. Still far too many Imokilly/Midleton CBS tippy tappy lads involved with the county development squads. Need a purge and stop the hyping up these young fellows. They're just not good enough at this level

It makes sense

willietherock wrote: »

Not the teachers fault the players are comically overrated. All soft as **** tippy tappy type hurlers. Still far too many Imokilly/Midleton CBS tippy tappy lads involved with the county development squads. Need a purge and stop the hyping up these young fellows. They're just not good enough at this level

Some good points but their are not all tippy tappy or indeed soft maybe some are overrated but my point being is the pick they have they should be qualifying at a minimum, players from a spread of clubs. I would certainly agree that the management over the years have picked players on previous reputation whereas others with more heart have been left on the bench. Again not qualifying says a lot to me.

willietherock

It makes sense wrote: »

Some good points but their are not all tippy tappy or indeed soft maybe some are overrated but my point being is the pick they have they should be qualifying at a minimum, players from a spread of clubs. I would certainly agree that the management over the years have picked players on previous reputation whereas others with more heart have been left on the bench. Again not qualifying says a lot to me.

Its like deja vu all over again with Midleton CBS. The management always to blame and the players get away scot free. Its that mindset and lack of player accountability to keeps setting them back. If you look at the team its pretty ordinary with not one standout county minor. A lot of lads blown up in Imokilly and Cork development circles but consistently found out at Harty level. I think its simply a case of overrating player/hype and a total lack of player accountability that's holding them back. They're limited but should be getting to the knockout stages.

slingerz

big_drive wrote: »

I'd be totally the opposite opinion and think Rebel Og has been a great successs. Teams are getting more variety in the league games instead of playing the same old teams all the time
Plus its made the c'ships more competitive. There are still some one sided results but nothing like the days when the same teams would dominate the divisions year after year
Its given more suitable games to weaker teams instead of handing out hammerings.

In our rebelog group this year the best 5 teams were all from our traditional division. They were the only clubs who gave us competitive league games/championship games.

The others meant long travel distances to clubs that hadn't enough players or interest in the football side of things. These were often vastly one sided fixtures. This spilled through into championship where we had great games against traditional divisional opponents however had farcical non event championship fixtures against other clubs on our way to the final.

We also had an instance in our opening championship game against a former divisional rival where a neutral pitch could not be found. Bear in mind this was the height of the summer so no problem with pitches. We were also told that no ref could be got however there were plenty of refs local to the division available!!

Further to this consider the logistics of transporting a team who are too young to travel themselves around the countryside. Surely for logistical reasons alone be RebelOg division is a non runner. Also, the fact that by the time a player reaches minor level they would have met a local rival team a max of 4 times in a competive game yet there was a need to be playing new teams. Our adult team plays the same opponents in competive games 3 times in a calendar year and all of them are perfectly capable of transporting themselves around the county.

The most amazing stat I have is that we played a county final in a neutral venue where we had to travel outside our rebelog division and our opponents did not. The venue was within our traditional division however. The journey time for us was a max of 15 minutes however for our opponents who were within their rebelog division had a 2 hour journey time to that venue.

I have also heard tales of a large town selecting the grade that competed in based on the grade a neighbouring club chose for their team. If the neighbouring club were A they went B grade to avoid them and were able to do that through RebelOg.

The divisional setup previous would be aware of the appropriate level of a team and would grade them accordingly.

In the divisions of Carbery, Duhallow, Muskerry, Avondhu their divisional championships were all competive and well run. Perhaps the premier 2 grade was required and a tightening up of divisional grades to promote teams appropriately but not the scenario that exists today

Orizio

willietherock wrote: »

Not the teachers fault the players are comically overrated.

TBF you don't know the first thing you are on about. They aren't even being managed/trained by a teacher, Ronan Dwane is in charge, he is most definitely not a teacher. He is however a massive under-achiever wherever he goes coaching. The other lad is Seamus Murphy, who is he a teacher, and I know from first hand experience he knows sweet **** all about how to train a hurling team. That goes for all of the teachers that were in the school when I was there over a decade ago.

The talent is there - how would you explain Midleton CBS dominating the dev squads that did a clean sweep last year? How do you explain this group walking Munster at younger levels before Dwane/Murphy got their hands on them? There will be at least 5 of this group involved in our supposedly ever improving Cork Minors this year - the talent is most definitely there.

As for a team made up of lads from Fr. O'Neills and Aghada being a load of tippy-tappy hurlers...you've obviously never played against either club in your life.

zetecescort

Eamon Ryan linked with the men's team in today's paper

big_drive

zetecescort wrote: »

Eamon Ryan linked with the men's team in today's paper

Great move if true. I've played under him and he was the best I ever had as a coach. Really cared about improving every player including the last sub on the panel. Wasn't one who just focussed on the good players on the team.
Could get you to do things in a nice way without being critical


Also the man has zero ego which is a big plus as far as I can see if involved at inter county level

purpleisafruit

zetecescort wrote: »

Eamon Ryan linked with the men's team in today's paper

I'd assume that would Shane Ronanyne would take over the ladies then? He's worked with them for a few years now and taken Mourneabbey to successive AI finals.

purpleisafruit

zetecescort wrote: »

Eamon Ryan linked with the men's team in today's paper

I'd assume that would Shane Ronayne would take over the ladies then? He's worked with them for a few years now and taken Mourneabbey to successive AI finals.

CORKDOUBLE

John Cleary for the Ladies ??

willietherock

Orizio wrote: »

TBF you don't know the first thing you are on about. They aren't even being managed/trained by a teacher, Ronan Dwane is in charge, he is most definitely not a teacher. He is however a massive under-achiever wherever he goes coaching. The other lad is Seamus Murphy, who is he a teacher, and I know from first hand experience he knows sweet **** all about how to train a hurling team. That goes for all of the teachers that were in the school when I was there over a decade ago.

The talent is there - how would you explain Midleton CBS dominating the dev squads that did a clean sweep last year? How do you explain this group walking Munster at younger levels before Dwane/Murphy got their hands on them? There will be at least 5 of this group involved in our supposedly ever improving Cork Minors this year - the talent is most definitely there.

As for a team made up of lads from Fr. O'Neills and Aghada being a load of tippy-tappy hurlers...you've obviously never played against either club in your life.

Did it ever occur to you that Midleton CBS dominating the development squads stinks of nepotism. Two yrs ago at U16 Midleton CBS players dominated what was this yrs minor development squad side. Denis Ring, to his eternal credit, fcuked the vast majority them out. One Midleton CBS player started on this yrs minor side and he was out of his depth v Limerick in the 1st match. btw I sure you know who managed that development squad side:D

I think it would strengthen the development squads immeasurably if Midleton CBS players were limited to one per squad.

N20

willietherock wrote: »

Did it ever occur to you that Midleton CBS dominating the development squads stinks of nepotism. Two yrs ago at U16 Midleton CBS players dominated what was this yrs minor development squad side. Denis Ring, to his eternal credit, fcuked the vast majority them out. One Midleton CBS player started on this yrs minor side and he was out of his depth v Limerick in the 1st match. btw I sure you know who managed that development squad side:D

I think it would strengthen the development squads immeasurably if Midleton CBS players were limited to one per squad.

Thats very harsh Willie I cant agree with all your comments

Some of Midleton CBS lads are very talented and wholehearted hurlers - esp the Fr ONeills lads last few years who have been the backbone of their winning east u21 team and their minor team who have always been extremely competitive.

For whatever reason within Midleton CBS the sum of the parts lately seems to be less than the sum of the whole. They fail to get the best from the talent at their disposal and it has unravelled / imploded last three years when the least you would have expected was them to qualify from their group.

I agree the players must take a degree of responsibility but the common denominator here the management. Unless the Schools and the Co Board embrace the idea of grasping the nettle and looking outside the box it seems rcent history will continue to repeat itself with Cork well down the list in terms of Harty titles. The teams need to be professionally set up with expertise available both for training and on sideline for match day. Eg ASR -

Im not a huge fan of Niall Moran - I think his ego gets ahead of him from time to time but he has made a significant difference in ASR

N20

https://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/3/1608131153-a-hurling-education-the-ardscoil-ris-connection/

Heres a link to a piece on ASR from 2013

And a few excerpts

"But we made a conscious decision a decade ago to get our own house in order and try and change the mindset. To try and get coaching to a different level and a different standard. We decided from then on that we would enter the A grade across all underage teams at school level.

"We're still the only Limerick school that does that. What we did was we got a couple of outside people involved. A man called Natal O'Grady came in, he was a Limerick minor coach for a while. Jimmy Browne who is in LIT, but who also is involved with the Clare U21 team at the minute and various Clare minor teams, he got involved and also Tom Hennessy,

But as the accountancy and economics teacher points out, Ardscoil's success owes a huge amount to other forces. He says the Limerick County Board have offered "tremendous support", both financially and otherwise. As well as that, they have gotten a lot of support from local clubs in the area such as Na Piarsaigh and Patrickswell (Limerick) and Meelick (Clare) in terms of them allowing the school to use their facilities to train. LIT too, boosted by the various regeneration projects in Limerick city, have been a huge help in terms of use of facilities.
"There's no doubt about it, the success of Ardscoil Rís has come about from a small number of very hard-working people in the school but we've got huge support from the school and the management of the school, and then we've got huge external support from the county board and from the generosity of local clubs. In that sense, It's a real GAA story."

Whereas i no longer think ASR have the strenght intheir ranks that they had then or even last year, until such time as Cork embrace this model across our schools we are pissing ino the wind

It makes sense

N20 wrote: »

Thats very harsh Willie I cant agree with all your comments

Some of Midleton CBS lads are very talented and wholehearted hurlers - esp the Fr ONeills lads last few years who have been the backbone of their winning east u21 team and their minor team who have always been extremely competitive.

For whatever reason within Midleton CBS the sum of the parts lately seems to be less than the sum of the whole. They fail to get the best from the talent at their disposal and it has unravelled / imploded last three years when the least you would have expected was them to qualify from their group.

I agree the players must take a degree of responsibility but the common denominator here the management. Unless the Schools and the Co Board embrace the idea of grasping the nettle and looking outside the box it seems rcent history will continue to repeat itself with Cork well down the list in terms of Harty titles. The teams need to be professionally set up with expertise available both for training and on sideline for match day. Eg ASR -

Im not a huge fan of Niall Moran - I think his ego gets ahead of him from time to time but he has made a significant difference in ASR

I concur sure players have to be counted as well but school has not qualified for the last three years with the common theme the same manager and selectors last years panel IMO better than this years but they should be qualifying outside of the school fr o' Neills have been doing very well killeagh won premier 2 county last year this cloyne/Colemans combination won it the players are there but things have to change because current structure is no good. Sure Dwane might have got fellows onto development panels but has not helped the school develop any meaningful progress in Harty.

Rebel norrie

CBC v Colmans. Roco v Ard scoil. Winners play in Semi.

zetecescort

Fred Sheedy RIP

The death has occurred of Fred Sheedy RIP (former Cork intermediate hurler and selector on the Cork Senior hurling All Ireland winning teams of 1999, 2004 and 2005)

Fred was a member of the Avondhu team that won the Cork County senior hurling championship in 1966 and the Kilworth junior hurling team that won the junior county title in 1967. He was a selector on the Avondhu senior hurling side that won the County title in 1996. He coached Kilworth to several North Cork junior hurling titles and was a selector on our intermediate hurling team that won the county in 2012.

The Officers and Board members extends their deepest sympathies to the Sheedy Family

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.

Funeral Arrangements:

Reposing at Ronayne's Funeral Home, Lower Patrick Street, Fermoy Saturday from 5.30pm followed by removal at 7.30pm to St. Martin's Church, Kilworth. Funeral Mass on Sunday at 11.30am. Burial afterwards in Kilcrumper New Cemetery.

zetecescort

Eamon Ryan confirmed as selector of the men's football team.

CORKDOUBLE

In a little over a weeks time we will get an idea what players Kieran Kingston and Peader Healy are thinking of playing in the pre season competitions.

CORKDOUBLE

I am not at all confident that Eamon Ryan will work for the senior footballers ..in fact I don't think its a good move for himself or the team...heard his interview on RED FM and it would not inspire confidence ...I also feel sorry for the ladies in this .

zetecescort

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

I am not at all confident that Eamon Ryan will work for the senior footballers ..in fact I don't think its a good move for himself or the team...heard his interview on RED FM and it would not inspire confidence ...I also feel sorry for the ladies in this .

hard to know what influence he will have as a selector. doubtful he'll be running drills or anything?

While it is disappointing for the Ladies this day was going to come at some time. They are lucky they have a couple of obvious candidates in Ronanye and Cleary.

eigrod

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

I am not at all confident that Eamon Ryan will work for the senior footballers ..in fact I don't think its a good move for himself or the team...heard his interview on RED FM and it would not inspire confidence ...I also feel sorry for the ladies in this .

Cannot see the sense in it at all. The ladies' game and the mens' game are like 2 different sports, in all honesty.

The men's game has changed massively since Eamonn was involved at the coalface of it.

big_drive

I still maintain it's a great move.
Eamon Ryan doesn't look for drama or hype through the media so I wouldn't worry about his interviews. He does his talking behind the scenes where it matters

What he will bring is that he will make players feel good about themselves. His man management is his biggest asset, in my opinion when players feel good there's better chance they will preform to their capabilities

slingerz

eigrod wrote: »

Cannot see the sense in it at all. The ladies' game and the mens' game are like 2 different sports, in all honesty.

The men's game has changed massively since Eamonn was involved at the coalface of it.

This thing about the game changing is nonsense. Are the aims not to put the ball over the bar or into the net and stop your opponent doing the same.

Ryan has showed himself to be a very shrewd and capable operator. Should the footballers/hurlers flop how many more times will we blame incapable management? Our hurling and football teams at senior level are not a vintage crop at present and we need to learn to recognise that

ShamoBuc

Nollaig Shona Daoibh go léir !!

Next year should be an interesting one !!

youngbob

haven't looked up this thread in some time. i didn't see a post from TTM for ages. does anyone have any news on him?
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rebel girl 15

slingerz wrote: »

This thing about the game changing is nonsense. Are the aims not to put the ball over the bar or into the net and stop your opponent doing the same.

Ryan has showed himself to be a very shrewd and capable operator. Should the footballers/hurlers flop how many more times will we blame incapable management? Our hurling and football teams at senior level are not a vintage crop at present and we need to learn to recognise that

Ryan will bring back the basics that are sadly lacking in the team, being able to execute basic skills under pressure. For years we have had players who can't kick the ball striaght, and not being able to block or field cleanly.

I saw in the Echo Ronayne, Cleary and Noel O Connor of Inch being touted - O Connor is a selector with Waterford again this year so he is out. Cleary would be a better fit I think, and leave Ronayne as a coach - even with Mourneabbey he is the coach and Gallagher is the manager, and Ronayne is renowned for getting himself in trouble with referees! Unless he relaxes on the sideline, he won't see changes that need to be made

youngbob

Only one week to go till Cork hurlers play their 1st match of 2016. After a change of backroom boys it will be interesting to see will there be more bite in them this year. I heard Bill Cooper could be tried at FF against Clare

Orizio

youngbob wrote: »

Only one week to go till Cork hurlers play their 1st match of 2016. After a change of backroom boys it will be interesting to see will there be more bite in them this year. I heard Bill Cooper could be tried at FF against Clare

That would make sfa sense. Not a full-forward at all, he is there for work-rate.