Cork GAA Discussion Thread

zetecescort

not sure but i'd imagine they'll tweet a link to the broadcast or put a link on the website before it starts

KrustyUCC

Producer Ben wrote: »

didn't realise that, presume the likes of Ballincollig will take up the offer too.

Ballincollig are not going up

We struggle JA so I fail the see the benefit of playing at a higher level even without relegation

big_drive

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ballincollig are not going up

We struggle JA so I fail the see the benefit of playing at a higher level even without relegation

Would you ever think the higher level intermediate league games would help develop players and get them ready for your clubs senior team quicker than junior games will?

I'm not saying it would but I can see the clubs with 2nd teams moving up using it as a feeder team to ultimately benefit their top team

Producer Ben

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ballincollig are not going up

We struggle JA so I fail the see the benefit of playing at a higher level even without relegation

Fair enough, though in my opinion, Ballincollig junior footballers would be a lot more competitive in intermediate football than Inniscarra or Blarney hurlers in intermediate hurling.

It makes sense

Figsy32 wrote: »

The following teams have applied and been approved for entry into the IHC next year:

Blackrock
Ballymartle
Carrigaline
Ballinhassig
St Finbarrs
Glen Rovers
Na Piarsaigh
Midleton
Inniscara

Even being from one of those clubs, I have to say I'm dubious as to what it's going to achieve for Cork hurling.

This is not good it is going to destroy the city division with only mayfield , Brian dillons and Nemo left with Ballymartle and ballyhassig going up that dilutes that division. Innsicarra first team were in a reflation battle, Midleton' s second team could not beat Dungourney who beat both Ballymartle, Ballinhassig in matches this year. I could see some teams especially 2nd teams struggling is this all about frank and Blackrock what do people think.

Orizio

County Championship Draws 2016

Senior Football Championship

Preliminary Round
Avondhu v Ilen Rovers

Round 1
(A) Aghada v Muskerry
(B) Beara v St Finbarrs
(C) Carbery Rangers v Clyda Rovers
(D) Dohenys v Douglas
(E) Newcestown v CIT
(F) Ballincollig v Bishopstown
(G) Valley Rovers v winners of Avondhu/Ilen Rovers
(H) Clonakilty v Castlehaven
(I) Carbery v O' Donovan Rossa
(J) Seandun v UCC
(K) Nemo Rangers v Duhallow
(L) St Nicholas v Carrigaline

Round 2A (Winners from Round 1)
I v B
L v G
J v F
D v C
E v H
A v K

Round 2B (Losers from Preliminary Round & Round 1)
Avondhu/Ilen Rovers v D
H v L
F v B
K v J
G v I
A v E
C a bye

Senior Hurling Championship

Preliminary Round
Killeagh v Muskerry

Round 1
(A) Erins Own v CIT
(B) Douglas v Na Piarsaigh
(C) Avondhu v Ballymartle
(D) Sarsfield v Carrigtwohill
(E) Glen Rovers v Carbery
(F) Blackrock v Ballyhea
(G) Duhallow v Carrigdhoun
(H) Midleton v Bishopstown
(I) Bride Rovers v Youghal
(J) St Finbarrs v Newcestown
(K) Newtownshandrum v winners of Killeagh/Muskerry
(L) Imokilly v UCC

Round 2A (winners from Round 1)
B v L
J v A
H v K
F v G
E v D
C v I

Round 2B (Losers from Preliminary Round & Round 1)
Killeagh/Muskerry v A
D v F
C v E
J v G
K v L
I v H
B a bye

Premier Intermediate Football Championship
Round 1
(A) St Vincent v St Michaels
(B) Mallow v Bantry Blues
(C) Castletownbere v Naomh Aban
(D) Macroom v Fermoy
(E) Eire Og v Nemo Rangers
(F) Ballingeary v Newmarket
(G) Ballinora v Grenagh
(H) Kiskeam v Na Piarsaigh

Round 2A (Winners from Round 1)
D v G
B v F
H v C
E v A

Round 2B (Losers from Round 1)
D v G
B v F
H v C
E v A

Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship
Round 1
(A) Castlelyons v Inniscarra
(B) Kanturk v Cloyne
(C) Tracton v Ballinhassig
(D) Watergrasshill v Blarney
(E) Charleville v Bandon
(F) Fermoy v Kilworth
(G) Carrigaline v Mallow
(H) Valley Rovers v Courcey Rovers

Round 2A (Winners from Round 1)
G v C
F v B
H v A
E v D

Round 2B (Losers from Round 1)
G v C
F v B
H v A
E v D

Intermediate Football Championship
Round 1
(A) Cill na Martra v Bandon
(B) Aghabullogue v Millstreet
(C) Adrigole v Ballydesmond
(D) Kildorrery v Clonakilty
(E) St Finbarrs v Mayfield
(F) Douglas v Mitchelstown
(G) Carrigaline v Kanturk
(H) Glanmire v Kinsale
(I) Glanworth v Glenville
(J) Rockchapel v Youghal

Round 2A (Winners from Round 1)
E v H
I v J
B v C
A v D
G v F

Round 2B (Losers from Round 1)
E v H
I v J
B v C
A v D
G v F

Intermediate Hurling Championship

Preliminary Round
Ballymartle v Grenagh
Barryroe v Dungourney

Round 1
(A) Na Piarsaigh v Argideen Rangers
(B) Midleton v Glen Rovers
(C) Aghada v Blackrock
(D) Eire Og v Ballinhassig
(E) Douglas v winners of Barryroe/Dungourney
(F) Milford v Castlemartyr
(G) Drispey v St Finbarrs
(H) Fr O' Neills v Carrigaline
(I) Ballincollig v Meelin
(J) Kilbrittain v winners of Ballymartle/Grenagh
(K) Kildorrery v Ballygarvan
(L) Aghabullogue v Inniscarra

Round 2A (Winners from Preliminary Round & Round 1)
A v J
H v I
G v B
C v F
K v D
E v L

Round 2B (Losers from Preliminary Round & Round 1)
Ballymartle/Grenagh v C
Barryroe/Dungourney v I
F v E
K v A
G v J
D v H
L v B

Orizio

It makes sense wrote: »

This is not good it is going to destroy the city division with only mayfield , Brian dillons and Nemo left with Ballymartle and ballyhassig going up that dilutes that division. Innsicarra first team were in a reflation battle, Midleton' s second team could not beat Dungourney who beat both Ballymartle, Ballinhassig in matches this year. I could see some teams especially 2nd teams struggling is this all about frank and Blackrock what do people think.

Inevitable that Junior A will be county wide rather than divisional.

commonsense.

From today's Examiner quoting from yesterday's convention:

while one delegate stressed the need for players to focus on practising skills rather than “chasing oul’ dolls”, which was not conducive to on-field excellence

Unbelievable.

Ogie16

The second teams going up in the hurling will be interesting to follow.

I can see why clubs took the opportunity to do it. I doubt any of them expect to win the Inter A c'ship. The motivation will be to expose players to higher level league games and try get them ready for the clubs first team.

Not surprised the city teams went up while of the country based clubs they all have big enough populations. A team like Inniscarra have been poor at premier Intermediate level last couple of years but they have some serious teams going to be coming through from underage level in the next 2/3 years so I can understand why they made the move up. They are matching the likes of Blackrock/Glen/Sars underage at present. Was surprised their neighbours in Blarney didn't make a move too.

I was slightly surprised that Ballinhassig/Ballymartle went up but the Carrigdhoun division hasn't been too competitive at junior recently

purpleisafruit

An Iniscarra man told me they have over 70 players eligible to play at adult level so you can understand why they've chosen to go up.
Are they not going to have to also field a 3rd team at Junior in a few years under the new grading rules? Lack of relegation takes the edge out of championship for a few years and allows clubs to blood players at intermediate level.

Ogie16

Yeah they seem to have huge numbers coming through for some reason. There can't be that much new housing development out there.
Or is it just the big population of the boom times have now come to an age that they are entering adult grades?

Ya under the guidelines you need to enter a 3rd team. Can this be at Junior B level? Or does it need to be Junior A?

purpleisafruit

Ogie16 wrote: »

Yeah they seem to have huge numbers coming through for some reason. There can't be that much new housing development out there.
Or is it just the big population of the boom times have now come to an age that they are entering adult grades?

Ya under the guidelines you need to enter a 3rd team. Can this be at Junior B level? Or does it need to be Junior A?

No massive development but I think they've come of age as you've said.
I'm not sure as to which Junior grade the 3rd team needs to be. For the rural clubs, it might be difficult to sustain a 3rd team down the line.

It's somewhat unfair on the teams who've been knocking on the door at junior level for years like Cloughduv to see senior/premier intermediate clubs being allowed to upgrade their second team to intermediate.

Ogie16

I presume with all these clubs they would have a certain number of players in their clubs who would never be of intermediate standard so it would be important to have a junior/junior B team in the club to cater for this section.

purpleisafruit

Ogie16 wrote: »

I presume with all these clubs they would have a certain number of players in their clubs who would never be of intermediate standard so it would be important to have a junior/junior B team in the club to cater for this section.

There are many teams at intermediate that suffer from this problem too ;-)

Ogie16

There are a lot of reasons why the upgrading of the 2nd teams won't work but I'd be prepared to give it a go and see how it actually works out. I'm sure one of the 2nd teams might end up causing a shock in the c'ship, you'd never know

zetecescort

Harty Cup Round 5 Result - Our Ladys Templemore 3-24 Gaelcolaiste Mhuire AG 1-9

slingerz

What a farce promoting those teams in both hurling and football.

Especially in Junior hurling that has to become a county championship now

Junior football at least has some decent teams in the divisions but it's a slap in the face to those clubs

Ogie16

In some ways divisional c'ships are going the way provincial c'ships have gone, the appeal that was once there is going

I can see open draws in all grades being the norm in the future. Much the way that is being tried next year with an all county u21 hurling c'ship.

I'm sure for the likes of Cloughdubh, Mayfield the prospect of an all county junior league and c'ship would be more attractive than the same old games within their division year after year

slingerz

Ogie16 wrote: »

In some ways divisional c'ships are going the way provincial c'ships have gone, the appeal that was once there is going

I can see open draws in all grades being the norm in the future. Much the way that is being tried next year with an all county u21 hurling c'ship.

I'm sure for the likes of Cloughdubh, Mayfield the prospect of an all county junior league and c'ship would be more attractive than the same old games within their division year after year

In Muskerry, Cloughduv have no realistic opponents with Kilmichael, Ballinora, Donoughmore competing but never really looking like beating them. Has been this way for years now.

A county wide junior championship in hurling definitely makes sense and was proposed by the Kilbrin delegate at convention. Ger Lane gave the commitment to look into it in the new year but the likelihood is that it will be put on the long finger.

In junior football, the divisions are still relatively competitive enough but with the threat of relegation now gone that will probably lessen.

Our club championships are up in a heap at the moment. The changes to the championship structure for losers rounds is a positive one. However the inclusion of the 2nd teams now leads to a bloated lower intermediate championship.

I would propose a return to a 16 team grade including senior which would mean the exclusion of the divisional and college sides from the competition. Promotion & Relegation would return. Further countywide grades be introduced below Internediate A for the 16 best Junior teams. Below that the next best 16 junior teams. The introduction of countywide leagues based on the current format just with additional lower leagues included.

That's what would make your championships interesting

purpleisafruit

The big problem with county wide leagues is the travel though. If you have a junior team from North Cork travelling to play a junior team from West Cork on a Wednesday evening, it's a 4-5 hour round trip.
We're not a Waterford or Kilkenny in terms of size.

Orizio

purpleisafruit wrote: »

The big problem with county wide leagues is the travel though. If you have a junior team from North Cork travelling to play a junior team from West Cork on a Wednesday evening, it's a 4-5 hour round trip.
We're not a Waterford or Kilkenny in terms of size.

...we don't have county wide leagues in intermediate and senior?

purpleisafruit

Orizio wrote: »

...we don't have county wide leagues in intermediate and senior?

I'd be in favour of regionalisation of the leagues for intermediate teams. The Rebel Óg model wouldn't be too bad in terms of that

Ogie16

that type of travel is already happening with years. You had Meelin and Cloyne playing last year in the league. That's a bit of a journey for the away side. Plus there are loads more examples
So that would be nothing new, you'd just have to get on with it

CORKDOUBLE

slingerz wrote: »

In Muskerry, Cloughduv have no realistic opponents with Kilmichael, Ballinora, Donoughmore competing but never really looking like beating them. Has been this way for years now.

A county wide junior championship in hurling definitely makes sense and was proposed by the Kilbrin delegate at convention. Ger Lane gave the commitment to look into it in the new year but the likelihood is that it will be put on the long finger.

In junior football, the divisions are still relatively competitive enough but with the threat of relegation now gone that will probably lessen.

Our club championships are up in a heap at the moment. The changes to the championship structure for losers rounds is a positive one. However the inclusion of the 2nd teams now leads to a bloated lower intermediate championship.

I would propose a return to a 16 team grade including senior which would mean the exclusion of the divisional and college sides from the competition. Promotion & Relegation would return. Further countywide grades be introduced below Internediate A for the 16 best Junior teams. Below that the next best 16 junior teams. The introduction of countywide leagues based on the current format just with additional lower leagues included.

That's what would make your championships interesting

excellent post the ccb should have read it before last sundays meeting.

slingerz

purpleisafruit wrote: »

I'd be in favour of regionalisation of the leagues for intermediate teams. The Rebel Óg model wouldn't be too bad in terms of that

Rebelog is a farce of a model. Saw it first hand this year. Uninterested teams, inability to find neutral venues for championships, inability to appoint capable referees. The best games we had came from teams in our own division. The only divisional championships would have provided us with better games and a better championship

purpleisafruit

slingerz wrote: »

Rebelog is a farce of a model. Saw it first hand this year. Uninterested teams, inability to find neutral venues for championships, inability to appoint capable referees. The best games we had came from teams in our own division. The only divisional championships would have provided us with better games and a better championship

I'm talking more in terms of how the regions are set up. I've no knowledge of refereeing standards or the ability to find suitable venues

Smith614

Rebel og is a farce and the sooner it reverts back to divisional underage competitions the better. Too much travelling especially for teams in premier 1 & 2 league s. Walkovers galore. The rivalry is gone out of the games.

big_drive

I'd be totally the opposite opinion and think Rebel Og has been a great successs. Teams are getting more variety in the league games instead of playing the same old teams all the time
Plus its made the c'ships more competitive. There are still some one sided results but nothing like the days when the same teams would dominate the divisions year after year
Its given more suitable games to weaker teams instead of handing out hammerings.

Orizio

Midleton 6 up at HT. Their squad is up on the Munster PPS twitter. DLS have wind second half. O'Leary-Hayes out but Ciaran Evans also not listed anywhere, injured?

malascoile

Draw game. 12 points apiece. Who goes though?