Insane private school fees.

cloud493

I was just watching one of the re-runs of harrow a very british school on sky 1, and they happened to mention the annual school fees are £30,000 a year :eek:
Thats insanity,
I don't think I'd send my kid there, even if I could afford it. I mean the school looks good for sure, but they don't seem particularly friendly, they exist, as they themselves state, in a bubble of privilege and are isolated from the regular community, cant be good for them once they're done with the school, and... I just wouldn't. Its insane. Even if the facilities are that good.

How about you guys?

Richard D James

cloud493 wrote: »

I was just watching one of the re-runs of harrow a very british school on sky 1, and they happened to mention the annual school fees are £30,000 a year :eek:
Thats insanity,
I don't think I'd send my kid there, even if I could afford it. I mean the school looks good for sure, but they don't seem particularly friendly, they exist, as they themselves state, in a bubble of privilege and are isolated from the regular community, cant be good for them once they're done with the school, and... I just wouldn't. Its insane. Even if the facilities are that good.

How about you guys?

They probably would have your kids there anyway. Unless you are a member of the upper classes

Tin Foil Hat

cloud493 wrote: »

I was just watching one of the re-runs of harrow a very british school on sky 1, and they happened to mention the annual school fees are £30,000 a year :eek:
Thats insanity,
I don't think I'd send my kid there, even if I could afford it. I mean the school looks good for sure, but they don't seem particularly friendly, they exist, as they themselves state, in a bubble of privilege and are isolated from the regular community, cant be good for them once they're done with the school, and... I just wouldn't. Its insane. Even if the facilities are that good.

How about you guys?

That's how much they should cost here too, if it wasn't for the state subsidised elitism. Private schools should be entirely self-funded.

lukesmom

Richard D James wrote: »

They probably would not have your kids there anyway. Unless you are a member of the upper classes

Would or wouldn't make up your mind

Schwiiing

cloud493 wrote: »

I was just watching one of the re-runs of harrow a very british school on sky 1, and they happened to mention the annual school fees are £30,000 a year :eek:
Thats insanity,
I don't think I'd send my kid there, even if I could afford it. I mean the school looks good for sure, but they don't seem particularly friendly, they exist, as they themselves state, in a bubble of privilege and are isolated from the regular community, cant be good for them once they're done with the school, and... I just wouldn't. Its insane. Even if the facilities are that good.

How about you guys?

Most of it's students will remain in that bubble for their entire lives so it doesnt really matter.

cloud493

But a lot of the kids we saw, they weren't going to oxford or whatever, they were going to normal universities. So clearly stepping out the bubble, cant be good for you.

ucd.1985

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

That's how much they should cost here too, if it wasn't for the state subsidised elitism. Private schools should be entirely self-funded.

Education budget couldn't afford to take the private schools into the public system which wouldn't remain private.

Kilkenny College alone has put pressure on the already tight education budget.

clappyhappy

My OH is Scottish and one of his cousins bought a house a few years ago so his kids could be in the catchment area of Fettes college in Edinburgh. (The one used in the Harry potter movies) he has 2 kids going there, another to start in 2 years. Average school year fees is £25,000 per child. The kids have changed a lot, an air of elitism and snobbery. I think it's mad, but each to their own.

Glock Lesnar

cloud493 wrote: »

I was just watching one of the re-runs of harrow a very british school on sky 1, and they happened to mention the annual school fees are £30,000 a year :eek:
Thats insanity,
I don't think I'd send my kid there, even if I could afford it. I mean the school looks good for sure, but they don't seem particularly friendly, they exist, as they themselves state, in a bubble of privilege and are isolated from the regular community, cant be good for them once they're done with the school, and... I just wouldn't. Its insane. Even if the facilities are that good.

How about you guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Harrovians

They do just fine.

Compare it to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Cabinteely_Community_Schoolians

Tin Foil Hat

ucd.1985 wrote: »

Education budget couldn't afford to take the private schools into the public system which wouldn't remain private.

Kilkenny College alone has put pressure on the already tight education budget.

It's something that should never have been allowed to happen and, you're right, it's a mistake that can't be corrected overnight without causing massive upheaval.
It can, however, be phased out over a decade by reducing the subsidy year on year.

anncoates

Most of them here are only about 5k a year aren't they?

Glock Lesnar

clappyhappy wrote: »

My OH is Scottish and one of his cousins bought a house a few years ago so his kids could be in the catchment area of Fettes college in Edinburgh. (The one used in the Harry potter movies) he has 2 kids going there, another to start in 2 years. Average school year fees is £25,000 per child. The kids have changed a lot, an air of elitism and snobbery. I think it's mad, but each to their own.

The Fettes blazer alone is worth the fee

cloud493

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

The Fettes blazer alone is worth the fee

Why?

kirving

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

The Fettes blazer alone is worth the fee

Agreed!

Can't say that going to a community school in a good area had any downsides. We had the best of everything, except for maybe a pool. LC results were for the most part excellent, with plenty of 550+ and numerous 600 point results.

Shakespeare's Sister

Teachers are teachers. State schools can have excellent facilities.

I'd understand someone sending their child(ren) to a private school if it was a really good school and the only good school convenient to them, but simply sending them to a private school because it's a private school and/or because of the view that paying more means it'll be better... I don't agree there.

Novella

anncoates wrote: »

Most of them here are only about 5k a year aren't they?

Yeah, I went to a private school and it was 5 or 6k a year. I was a college drop out too so it did me a lot of good! Money well spent!

El Weirdo

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Teachers are teachers. State schools can have excellent facilities.

I'd understand someone sending their child(ren) to a private school if it was a really good school and the only good school convenient to them, but simply sending them to a private school because it's a private school and/or because of the view that paying more means it'll be better... I don't agree there.

Not to mention the fact that there's an increased chance that your kid might end up as a Tory Prime Minister if you send them to Eton or Harrow, etc.

*shudder*

I'd rather them end up in prison, tbh. At least I'd be able to show my face in public.

SkyBlueClouds

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Teachers are teachers. State schools can have excellent facilities.

I'd understand someone sending their child(ren) to a private school if it was a really good school and the only good school convenient to them, but simply sending them to a private school because it's a private school and/or because of the view that paying more means it'll be better... I don't agree there.

Indeed. If it's the best local school to you, that just happens to be private, suits your child's personality,and you believe they will flourish there - by all means send them if you can afford it.

If the local public school is just as good with excellent facilities - send them there. It's all relative.

Shakespeare's Sister

El Weirdo wrote: »

Not to mention the fact that there's an increased chance that your kid might end up as a Tory Prime Minister if you send them to Eton or Harrow, etc.

*shudder*

I'd rather them end up in prison, tbh. At least I'd be able to show my face in public.

earlyevening

http://www.rosey.ch/

120,000 US dollars per year.

edit - Here's a list
http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/12/europe-boarding-schools-biz-cx_vr_1212boarding.html

blacklilly

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Teachers are teachers. State schools can have excellent facilities.

I'd understand someone sending their child(ren) to a private school if it was a really good school and the only good school convenient to them, but simply sending them to a private school because it's a private school and/or because of the view that paying more means it'll be better... I don't agree there.

There can and are many reasons for sending children to private schools. It does not always equate to elitism or snobbery etc. I have experienced both private and public schools and found a level of elitism and snobbery in both, however the vast majority were what I'd consider normal.

Tarzana

There seems to be a big difference between state schools in Ireland and the UK.

State schools in Ireland are generally very good, but comprehensives in the UK vary greatly. Some are awful. I know they say good teachers are good teachers, but if you're in a disruptive school, that does impact on learning and getting things done.

I wouldn't go private, but if I had kids in the UK, I'd be hoping they get into a grammar school!

So I can understand it more in the UK, especially if one of the bad comps is in your catchment area.

SkyBlueClouds

earlyevening wrote: »

http://www.rosey.ch/

120,000 US dollars per year.

:eek:

cloud493

Sure I went to both, a UK comprehensive school, and UK private school (lot cheaper than harrow) and I'd go as far to say the facilities and staff were better at the comprehensive.

SaveOurLyric

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

That's how much they should cost here too, if it wasn't for the state subsidised elitism. Private schools should be entirely self-funded.

Its the otherway around. Private schools in Ireland save the state money - i.e. they subsidise the non fee-paying schools.

SaveOurLyric

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Teachers are teachers. State schools can have excellent facilities.

I'd understand someone sending their child(ren) to a private school if it was a really good school and the only good school convenient to them, but simply sending them to a private school because it's a private school and/or because of the view that paying more means it'll be better... I don't agree there.

I dont think anyone sends their children to expensive schools because the schools are 'better' from an academic or general educational aspect - its to associate with the right type of people and to be able to enjoy the old school tie for the rest of their lives. Elitism and snobbery tend to be looked down on - but being an elitist snob is generally a recipe for a very happy life, and good luck to those who can afford to give their children that happy sense of being better that the rest of the world throughout their lives.

Glock Lesnar

cloud493 wrote: »

Why?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2655/4117268413_0a130cae7f.jpg

That's why

Heroditas

anncoates wrote: »

Most of them here are only about 5k a year aren't they?

Yep it's really only the ones which offer boarding such as Glenstal, Rockwell, Clongowes etc that are multiples of that.

Funny how people won't bat an eyelid at spending up to €10k per year to send their child to a grotty creche yet think a couple of grand for a private school is exorbitant.

El Weirdo

earlyevening wrote: »

http://www.rosey.ch/

120,000 US dollars per year.

You'd think at those prices they'd be able to afford a decent website, wouldn't you?

Shakespeare's Sister

mrsbyrne, you think being an elitist snob and a sense of being better "that" the rest of the world is generally a recipe for a very happy life?
Interesting.

Capt'n Midnight

if you are sending your kids to the likes of Harrow then you are probably spending a smaller fraction of your disposable income on them than most people would sending their kids to the local tech or CBS

4zn76tysfajdxp

Heroditas wrote: »

Funny how people won't bat an eyelid at spending up to €10k per year to send their child to a grotty creche yet think a couple of grand for a private school is exorbitant.

"Grotty?" Calm down, 1960s Liverpudlian.

pajor

I went to a private school. Fúcking hated it.

If I ever have kids, not in a million years would I send them to one.

Shakespeare's Sister

Heroditas wrote: »

Funny how people won't bat an eyelid at spending up to €10k per year to send their child to a grotty creche yet think a couple of grand for a private school is exorbitant.

Don't know if you're comparing like with like. Childcare is a need. Private school isn't.

c_man

I'm going to homeschool any kids I have to ensure their normality. There's nothing in the classroom that can't be learned by posting endlessy on boards imo.

mrsbyrne

I amuse myself by identifying English public schoolboys on yhe TV and in the public eye in general.
Chris Martin most of Genesis most of the Tory cabinet Boris Johnson the host of Pointless the Archbishop of Canterbury...Jeremy Clarkson on and on....
They exude confidence and are generally happy men unencumbered with the neuroses of us common folk.
It has very.little to do with academic success but they seem very prone to firsts from Oxbridge in PPE
Also you wouldn't dream of sending your son to Eton Harrow or Rugby if money was an issue. The £30000 doesn't cover the sking trip to Val d'Isere the cultural trip to Vietnam and the oboe lessons

anncoates

I went to a very rough community school but I wouldn't necessarily be against sending my kids to a private school here. Depends on the merits of the schools available to you nearby, private or public. I don't think your kids would turn into raving snobs because of their school. Home is a much bigger influence on that.

c_man

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Chris Martin most of Genesis most of the Tory cabinet Boris Johnson the host of Pointless the Archbishop of Canterbury...Jeremy Clarkson on and on....
They exude confidence and are generally happy men unencumbered with the neuroses of us common folk.

....Are you pulling the pi$$? I honestly can't tell.

mrsbyrne

Im not joking. All of these were public schoolboys. Oh and the landlord in 2 Pints of Lager. I kid you not

cloud493

Benedict Cumberbatch also went to Harrow.

anncoates

cloud493 wrote: »

Benedict Cumberbatch also went to Harrow.

He won a scholarship for his name alone

mrsbyrne

cloud493 wrote: »

Benedict Cumberbatch also went to Harrow.

Of course he did. It's fascinating. Our "private" schools are s completely different thing altogether.
Oh and James Blunt too.

Unclebumble

I went to one of the top public schools in the uk - used to play Harrow, similar fees etc etc.
(In fact age 8-18 @ £30k pa x 4 kids = wow!!!')
I loved every minute of it however I'd make the following observations:

It is a shock when you enter the real world, especially coming from an all boys school.

You're not just paying for the classroom education, you're paying for the excellent all round facilities such as art, sport, music etc.

If your parents can't afford to send you comfortably then don't go - there is nothing worse than being "second class" - unable to go on trips, partake in activities that your peers are going on.
I saw many kids destroyed by this.

However, there is a huge amount of stuff that goes on at a boarding school that once you leave no one outside of the school ever cares about.

Boarding will affect your relationship with your parents - for some good, for some bad.

For me, my parents delegated my upbringing to my school - my wife, who went to a state school, her parents made sure she received a good education, didn't spend huge amounts of money on it and have a great relationship with her!

I have kids now and after long consideration and worry that I would be depriving them by not sending them to a boarding school, I have come to the realisation that it is not necessary.

Bannasidhe

I went to a private liberal arts school in Ireland from the age of 7 until I did my leaving cert aged 16 (passed with honours) because it was the only way I could get a non-denominational education (as distinct from multi-denominational. It didn't receive a penny from the State and was known for it's ability to get those pupils other schools dismissed as doomed to fail through State exams - possibly because no time was wasted teaching religion which they considered to be the duty of parents not the school.

It had 170 pupils max so teachers had time to actually teach and although we all sat State exams it wasn't rigidly tied to the national curriculum - I reckon not many schools have 9 year olds engaged in discussing anti-Semitism while reading the Merchant of Venice.

If such a school had been available for my son I would have sent him there in a heartbeat.

Shakespeare's Sister

I know it's always said, but that "public school" thing in relation to private school is just stupid and annoying dammit. :mad:

Sam Kade

cloud493 wrote: »

I was just watching one of the re-runs of harrow a very british school on sky 1, and they happened to mention the annual school fees are £30,000 a year :eek:
Thats insanity,
I don't think I'd send my kid there, even if I could afford it. I mean the school looks good for sure, but they don't seem particularly friendly, they exist, as they themselves state, in a bubble of privilege and are isolated from the regular community, cant be good for them once they're done with the school, and... I just wouldn't. Its insane. Even if the facilities are that good.

How about you guys?

I doubt they would take children from parents that call their children kids

Unclebumble

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

I know it's always said, but that "public school" thing in relation to private school is just stupid and annoying dammit. :mad:

They were call Public Schools because anyone could attend (if able to pay) as opposed to the other schools which were religious based.
The pc term now is Independent School!

Glock Lesnar

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I went to a private liberal arts school in Ireland from the age of 7 until I did my leaving cert aged 16 (passed with honours) because it was the only way I could get a non-denominational education (as distinct from multi-denominational. It didn't receive a penny from the State and was known for it's ability to get those pupils other schools dismissed as doomed to fail through State exams - possibly because no time was wasted teaching religion which they considered to be the duty of parents not the school.

It had 170 pupils max so teachers had time to actually teach and although we all sat State exams it wasn't rigidly tied to the national curriculum - I reckon not many schools have 9 year olds engaged in discussing anti-Semitism while reading the Merchant of Venice.

If such a school had been available for my son I would have sent him there in a heartbeat.

No but loads of them have their JC students doing the exact same thing without being surrounded by the outliers attracted by non denom schools.

Bannasidhe

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

No but loads of them have their JC students doing the exact same thing without being surrounded by the outliers attracted by non denom schools.

Have many primary schools doing Shakespeare and discussing bigotry do we?

I did say we were 9 so your comparison to JC students is hardly relevant is it?

And I fail to see what the distance one lives from the school has anything to do with the topic.

Schwiiing

cloud493 wrote: »

But a lot of the kids we saw, they weren't going to oxford or whatever, they were going to normal universities. So clearly stepping out the bubble, cant be good for you.

Any private school pupil will more than likely gravitate towards the other private school pupils attending 'normal' universities. Rare you'll find a private schooler staying in halls with the people who were to comprehensives.

KungPao

I wonder how much it would cost, per year, for a run-of-the-mill community school if it weren't subsidized?

As in if each kids parents paid the wages and upkeep of the school, with no moola from the state.