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All Ireland SFC SF Mayo v Kerry 24/08 3.30pm RTE 2 HD, Sky Sports 3 HD

  • 17-08-2014 10:54pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭


    Well with the hurling semis over I think it's time to talk about this one.

    After the quarter finals day I was a bit worried as a Mayo man about facing Kerry in the Semi Final.

    This year Mayo have found it hard to stop teams scoring goals against them, we say that in the league and in the second half v Cork.
    And the one thing this Kerry team has is the ability to score gaols, particularity in the form of James O' Donoughe, but I'm suer other can take their chances if presented also.

    I am still a bit worried about that but I am hopeful Mayo will find a way to counter the Kerry attack.

    The obvious way is to prevent the supply of ball to them.
    The way to do that is to win the battles around the midfield.

    Mayo are strong in this area.
    They have 4 very good midfielders in Barry Moran, Jason Gibbons and the O' Shea brothers.
    They also have half backs who love to get on the ball, and Jason Doherty has show this season that he is very astute cleaning up breaking ball.

    Kerry on the other hand may not be as strong in midfield.
    Bryan Sheehan was injured v Galway and may be back for the Mayo game.
    David Moran has played much more this season that before but is still prone to injury and a lot of Kerry folk are not to gone on what he does with the ball once he wins it.
    Maher has had a so so year so far, but of course is is still no slouch.

    As I said Mayo's defence has a habit of leaking goals and will have to be on full alert from the Kerry attack.
    It was mentioned in the Kerry's Eye newspaper this week that one way Mayo could negate JOD is for Keegan to lead him a merry dance all over the field as happened ion the league.
    A bit like what KK did to Lar Corbett in the 2011 Hurling final.
    Keegan loves to get forward but I'm not sure how much he would leave exposed if he did too much of it, he did a good defensive job v Cork and still managed to chip in with a late vital point.

    Kerry's defence has also been tested this season, especially by Galway and Clare.

    I think Mayo are a more seasoned, physical unit at this stage and should have the upper-hand.
    They press high up the field and force a lot of turnovers which they convert into scores

    Kerry are relying on a good few guys to step up at this level.
    As I said their midfield is a bit questionable, and injuries are no help.
    They have a few young guys like Murphy, O' Brien and the Geaney's who are not that experienced at this level.
    Plus they are relying on Marc O; Se, Aidan O' Mahoney and Declan O' Sullivan to be at their very best.

    This post is obviously more slanted to a Mayo win,I hope I am right, but as I said on another thread I would have been a lot more confident in 2013 than I am now about this fixture.

    It's a bit like the reverse of the 2011 SF.
    That day Mayo had the young guys and Kerry were the established strong team.

    Mayo by a comfortable enough margin (3,4 pts) at the end.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Probably a fair enough summary of where both teams are at. On paper it's got to be mayo by a couple of points. Football is not an exact science however, and if Kerry can nab a goal or two in the first half they will have every chance. If they get enough quality ball into JOD and Geaney then that is a real possibility. Kerry's forwards are more clinical and won't need as many chances as mayo to win the game IMO.

    Bryan sheehans fitness will be a big factor, he is an important player for Kerry around the middle where mayo are very strong, and is probably worth a few points from placed balls as well. Impossible to call this one really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭corny


    Really can't make up my mind about this. Mayo have players around the middle of the park who can run the opposition into the ground. I never underestimate that about them but Kerry have some fine footballers who work the ball well. Gun to the head i'd go for Mayo because i'd be more certain they will perform.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭stdidit


    mickeyk wrote: »
    If they get enough quality ball into JOD and Geaney then that is a real possibility. Kerry's forwards are more clinical and won't need as many chances as mayo to win the game IMO.

    Spot on there. I think the outcome of this the game will be decided on the effectiveness of Mayo's tactic of putting serious pressure on the ball, high up the field.
    If Kerry get time and space to play it into their inside forward they will pick Mayo off. If Mayo can put effective pressure on the ball, stop it getting cleanly into Geaney and JOD then they it will be hard to seem them lose.

    Fascinating battle in store though. Cant wait for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    In the league game in Castlebar, Kerry played JamesO in the half forward line. They wont do that on Sunday. I actually think its another young Kerry forward ye will be talking about next Monday if Kerry win but of course that depends on the ability to break even in the middle, which is the biggest concern down here. All depends on who starts well, if Kerry start well we'll win, if Mayo get a bit of confidence at the start and don't kick stupid wides, ye'll win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭BKWDR


    It's far too close to call. Memories of last year, nearly everyone writing off Kerry saying they wouldn't have the legs to go against us Dubs for the full 70 minutes and look how that turned out!

    I think it will be tight and it might come down to a few individual performances. If Mayo have their shooting boots on the day and don't horse a load of wides they might do what everyone has suggested but can't write Kerry off at all , at all.

    Looking forward to being in Croker on Sunday : )


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Kerry to win this by 8+ points. 2011 revisited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Kerry by 2-4 pts for me. Just don't think that this is Mayo's year. It won't be Kerry's year either, when all is said and done, but that probably a thread for another day. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭freddiek


    Mayo will win in the end.

    but their supporters will ask themselves is it only prolonging the agony.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    freddiek wrote: »
    Mayo will win in the end.

    but their supporters will ask themselves is it only prolonging the agony.

    I dont know how Mayo supporters are thinking this way. Kerry know they will beat Mayo, the question is by how much?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭freddiek


    Amprodude wrote: »
    I dont know how Mayo supporters are thinking this way. Kerry know they will beat Mayo, the question is by how much?

    Mayo have lost many All-Ireland finals since 1951 plus the last two, that's what i was getting at.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Volvic12


    Interesting point to note is the trainer - Cian O Neill. He will know how Mayo play inside out having trained them in 2012. They haven't changed a huge amount since then. After Mayo beat Dublin in a memorable All-Ireland semi-final, Tipperary hurler Lar Corbett tweeted: “Everywhere Cian O’Neill seems to go they become winners. Respect”.

    Of course, it must also be noted that Donie Buckley will have a bit of inside knowledge himself on Kerry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 nicepoint


    WIll the Kerry team be named tomorrow night ? Any word on Bryan Sheehan's injury ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Volvic12 wrote: »
    Interesting point to note is the trainer - Cian O Neill. He will know how Mayo play inside out having trained them in 2012. They haven't changed a huge amount since then. After Mayo beat Dublin in a memorable All-Ireland semi-final, Tipperary hurler Lar Corbett tweeted: “Everywhere Cian O’Neill seems to go they become winners. Respect”.

    Of course, it must also be noted that Donie Buckley will have a bit of inside knowledge himself on Kerry.

    Cian o Neill didnt win AI with Mayo though so that theory is out the window.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    nicepoint wrote: »
    WIll the Kerry team be named tomorrow night ? Any word on Bryan Sheehan's injury ?

    Yup - normally around 8/9pm

    Supposedly back training anyway.

    The team is fairly settled anyway - I'd be expecting to see the same midfield three as the last day, but wouldnt really be shocked if Moran was in for one of the 3 of Buckley, Sheehan or Maher.

    On paper the 4 of Sheehan, Maher, Buckley and Moran look a decent outfit but fitness & form issues have dogged all four this year. Really wouldnt be surprised if this is a problem area come Sunday.

    I'd expect Stephen O'Brien to replace Geaney in the starting line-up.
    Can't see any change to the backs

    Brian Kelly
    Marc Ó'Sé
    Aidan O’Mahony
    Shane Enright
    Paul Murphy
    Killian Young
    Fionn Fitzgerald
    Anthony Maher
    Bryan Sheehan
    Stephen O'Brien
    Johnny Buckley
    Donnachadh Walsh
    Paul Geaney
    Declan O’Sullivan
    James O'Donoghue

    The bench is also an area of concern - really don't think there is much in the way of serious options here.

    Seems to be a fair amount of folk travelling - much more than the Galway match (although the August bank holiday is always a bit awkward in Kerry)

    I think a lot of Kerry's hopes are being put on James O'Donoghue's shoulders - he's had 2 fabulous days against an awful defence and a mediocre defence.
    Mayo are a proper outfit and they're not going to 1) let the lads out the field put balls on plates for JOD and 2) give him the same sort of time and space to shoot when he does get the ball

    I think the mood in Kerry is one more of hope than expectation - coming out of the league game v Cork in Tralee very few had visions of getting to a semi-final this year.

    The big plus for Kerry this year is how quickly the 4 of Geaney, Murphy, O'Brien and Kelly have settled to championship intercounty football (obviously JOD continuing his development is another big plus) Rather than just being squad members they are looking very much like proper first 15 Kerry footballers.

    Overall I think it will be a close enough encounter and I'd be surprised if there were more than a few points in it at the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Volvic12


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Cian o Neill didnt win AI with Mayo though so that theory is out the window.

    How is that theory out the window? By all accounts he did a great job with them. I do know Mayo did not win an All Ireland with him there!! My point was that he is well respected as being very good and he will know Mayo and how they play inside out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Amprodude wrote: »
    I dont know how Mayo supporters are thinking this way. Kerry know they will beat Mayo, the question is by how much?

    Are you bored from pi@%ing off the lads on the Cork forum??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    freddiek wrote: »
    Mayo will win in the end.

    but their supporters will ask themselves is it only prolonging the agony.

    Na,
    Well look forward to the final and see how it goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Cian O Neill left after the 2012 season and joined Kerry.

    The personnell is the same but Buckley had brought a lot of changes to the training setup.

    So I doubt there is much extra that O Neill know beyond what has been seen on the field over the past season and a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    I'd be quietly confident that Mayo have enough in the tank to see off Kerry. I think we have played within ourselves at times this season, there's a complete performance to come out of this team at some stage but i'm not one bit bothered as long as we keep winning. I think there will be no lack of motivation either from Mayo, lose on Sunday and this team is finished under Horan - he will not last another year and it could be the end of the road for a few.
    I want to see Mayo dominate midfield and to be clinical with their chances because Kerry will be. I don't think there will be many changes from the team against Cork.

    It should to be a great game of football and hopefully we can finally give Kerry the beating that they deserve off us in Championship Football. I was there in 1996 when we did it last time, does anyone remember James Horan's goal that day :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    I'll be for Mayo, but it all looks academic as Dublin look way out in front.

    Mayo are bookies favourites, has to be a long, long time if indeed this ever happened v Kerry.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Kalyke wrote: »
    Are you bored from pi@%ing off the lads on the Cork forum??

    Not really. Im a Corkman myself sure. My opinion is as valuble as everyone elses here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Not really. Im a Corkman myself sure. My opinion is as valuble as everyone elses here.

    You're coming across as a very sore Corkman indeed. Kerry to win by 8+ points? Come off it, what's the basis for such a prediction? It would be a complete turnaround from all the league games played in recent times, Mayo are battle-hardened and you can't point to 2011 and before and use that as a yardstick.

    Mayo have it in themselves to win. They need to tighten up in defence and stop the supply going into O'Donoghue and show more ruthlessness up front during the purple patches. They haven't put in a massive performance this year but all the signs are pointing towards it coming good. Big performance needed from the forwards, the half-backs will have their hands full and won't be able to provide as much reinforcements up front, I think that's what killed us against Dublin last year. Can expect Donie Vaughan to be played up front again I would say.

    Kerry can never be written off and for a team in 'transition' they pushed Dublin all the way and had things gone their way could very well have won. Galway showed that they can be opened up and Horan will have taken note.

    All in all I think it's going to be the game of the year so far, two top teams playing fast open football. Mayo by three.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    You're coming across as a very sore Corkman indeed. Kerry to win by 8+ points? Come off it, what's the basis for such a prediction? It would be a complete turnaround from all the league games played in recent times, Mayo are battle-hardened and you can't point to 2011 and before and use that as a yardstick.

    Mayo have it in themselves to win. They need to tighten up in defence and stop the supply going into O'Donoghue and show more ruthlessness up front during the purple patches. They haven't put in a massive performance this year but all the signs are pointing towards it coming good. Big performance needed from the forwards, the half-backs will have their hands full and won't be able to provide as much reinforcements up front, I think that's what killed us against Dublin last year. Can expect Donie Vaughan to be played up front again I would say.

    Kerry can never be written off and for a team in 'transition' they pushed Dublin all the way and had things gone their way could very well have won. Galway showed that they can be opened up and Horan will have taken note.

    All in all I think it's going to be the game of the year so far, two top teams playing fast open football. Mayo by three.

    What are the signs they are coming good though? What can you point to in the Cork or Galway games that suggest they are 'coming good'? I'm not saying you are wrong but am curious of the logic behind what you are saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 nmjc


    Should be a interesting game, Kerry look good up front but looked a bit suspect in defence against Galway, with runners. Saying that they won the game easily as opposed to mayo who struggled for periods. Mayo will hopefully up their intensity, maybe give Freeman a run at 14, expect it to be tight for a half or so before they pull away, if as word is they are starting to push on again. Out of the three teams left I think only mayo potentially have the legs to live with Dublin and it will take a monumental effort to beat them. Either way we will have a good idea after the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    What are the signs they are coming good though? What can you point to in the Cork or Galway games that suggest they are 'coming good'? I'm not saying you are wrong but am curious of the logic behind what you are saying.

    I'm curious also. A few weeks to get things right its possible that Horan can have Mayo in better shape this Sunday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'm curious also. A few weeks to get things right its possible that Horan can have Mayo in better shape this Sunday.

    I think the feeling is that Mayo have yet to hit full stride.
    In the game v Cork it seemed that they were doing just enough to win.
    They seemed to play like they always knew they would win and upped their game accordingly as the second half progressed.

    The way I saw it was that they far from emptied the tank v Cork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    You're coming across as a very sore Corkman indeed. Kerry to win by 8+ points? Come off it, what's the basis for such a prediction? It would be a complete turnaround from all the league games played in recent times, Mayo are battle-hardened and you can't point to 2011 and before and use that as a yardstick.

    Mayo have it in themselves to win. They need to tighten up in defence and stop the supply going into O'Donoghue and show more ruthlessness up front during the purple patches. They haven't put in a massive performance this year but all the signs are pointing towards it coming good. Big performance needed from the forwards, the half-backs will have their hands full and won't be able to provide as much reinforcements up front, I think that's what killed us against Dublin last year. Can expect Donie Vaughan to be played up front again I would say.

    Kerry can never be written off and for a team in 'transition' they pushed Dublin all the way and had things gone their way could very well have won. Galway showed that they can be opened up and Horan will have taken note.

    All in all I think it's going to be the game of the year so far, two top teams playing fast open football. Mayo by three.

    Im just worried about the first three balls that come into JOD if Mayo dont deal with him he will goal. A bad start for Mayo and they are goosed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    I think the feeling is that Mayo have yet to hit full stride.
    In the game v Cork it seemed that they were doing just enough to win.
    They seemed to play like they always knew they would win and upped their game accordingly as the second half progressed.

    The way I saw it was that they far from emptied the tank v Cork.

    Same could be said of Kerry, they were never going to lose that game against Galway, and will be happy enough that their performance on the day has dampened expectations. They did enough to win and no more. Of course, maybe they just played badly and the hammering they gave cork was down to a truly abysmal cork performance. We'll know after the weekend I suppose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    I think the feeling is that Mayo have yet to hit full stride.
    In the game v Cork it seemed that they were doing just enough to win.
    They seemed to play like they always knew they would win and upped their game accordingly as the second half progressed.

    The way I saw it was that they far from emptied the tank v Cork.
    Mayo played as well as they have done over the last three years in opening 10/15 mins of the second half against Cork and normallly that would have been enough to win pulling up however the less the water tight defence meant Mayo hung on at the end.

    Plenty are going with the theory that Mayo are pacing themselves and looking to peak at the right time. Kerry 2009 are probably last side to do that. TBH I didn't see signs in the last three games that Mayo are about to repeat the trick.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Mayo should win the match.Overall they have the stronger team and if the Kerry defence can't stop Tom Flynn running from the half way line straight through the centre of their defence they're going to have some job stopping Aidan O'Shea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    The weather forecast for Sunday is fairly grim.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Kalyke wrote: »
    The weather forecast for Sunday is fairly grim.

    :(

    What sort of attendance are they expecting on Sunday?I believe there are quite a lot of supporters heading up from the Kingdom.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Mayo to me look a fair bit worse than they were last year. Kerry I suppose are about the same as they were last year.

    That would leave Mayo slightly ahead, but it's pretty close.

    I'm not quite convinced the Mayo midfield is the powerhouse it's vaunted as. If Sheehan and Maher were to have good games I'd expect them to break even, or reasonably close to.
    If it works out that way and both teams secure a similar amount of possessions I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry were to produce more shots and scores than a Mayo side who look occasionally short on ideas when they have a non-turnover attacking position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Also, people were asking earlier - Kerry's team isn't named until Thursday night this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    I think Mayo taking off Andy Moran killed their own purple patch against Cork. In Mayos purple patch at start of second half Moran was involved in at least 50/60% of positive plays. He was taken off (pre game decision?), from then on Mayo didn't make the ball stick inside n Cork counter attacked. Cillian going off was yet another forward going off who can show well inside. The sweeper operation was completely ineffective n Lee Keegan to my mind does more damage counter attacking than man marking. Kerrigan had plenty posessions n assists.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭JoeCole26


    Hi,

    Hope im okay to post this here. Are there still tickets available in Mayo for this game? Im in Dublin and dont have many contacts up here with tickets for this game. Cant imagine it will sell out. Tickets on ticketmaster are not great at all. Just wondering if there is anyway of contacting the mayo county board to reserve tickets? Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭Fowler87


    JoeCole26 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Hope im okay to post this here. Are there still tickets available in Mayo for this game? Im in Dublin and dont have many contacts up here with tickets for this game. Cant imagine it will sell out. Tickets on ticketmaster are not great at all. Just wondering if there is anyway of contacting the mayo county board to reserve tickets? Thanks

    Connacht council in bekan is probably your best bet. 0949630335


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 shoulder


    JoeCole26 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Hope im okay to post this here. Are there still tickets available in Mayo for this game? Im in Dublin and dont have many contacts up here with tickets for this game. Cant imagine it will sell out. Tickets on ticketmaster are not great at all. Just wondering if there is anyway of contacting the mayo county board to reserve tickets? Thanks


    There is a ticket office on the Drumcondra road when you're walking to the ground from the city centre direction. I'd imagine there'll still be plenty of tickets on sale there. Best get there before 12 noon in case it closes. I have previously bought a ticket there myself on match day. Ask any of the shops/businesses on that road and you'll find it. You can't miss it really. It's on your right hand side walking to the ground from the city centre on the Drumcondra road.

    Any ticket for the upper level has a great view.

    Hon Mayo!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Mayo should win the match.Overall they have the stronger team and if the Kerry defence can't stop Tom Flynn running from the half way line straight through the centre of their defence they're going to have some job stopping Aidan O'Shea.

    Tom Flynn is a good bit quicker than O'Shea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Tom Flynn is a good bit quicker than O'Shea.
    OShea might be a bit slower but when he decides to burst forward in contact he is like a bullock trying to break out of a cattle crush. Wriggles himself free all the time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    OShea might be a bit slower but when he decides to burst forward in contact he is like a bullock trying to break out of a cattle crush. Wriggles himself free all the time.

    :D
    He is a fair bullock alright and very hard to stop, but couldn't see him scoring a goal similar to Tom Flynn.

    Fair play on an absolutely apt and brilliant description of the way he takes a ball through a tackle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    shoulder wrote: »
    There is a ticket office on the Drumcondra road when you're walking to the ground from the city centre direction. I'd imagine there'll still be plenty of tickets on sale there. Best get there before 12 noon in case it closes. I have previously bought a ticket there myself on match day. Ask any of the shops/businesses on that road and you'll find it. You can't miss it really. It's on your right hand side walking to the ground from the city centre on the Drumcondra road.

    Any ticket for the upper level has a great view.

    Hon Mayo!

    Yup .. the van is situated just after the entrance to the Hill on matchday

    Alternatively during the week, you can try the ticket office in Dorset Street 018717400, just down on the corner from The Red Parrot pub


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Mayo not in form of last year or 2012 and their defence isn't as solid as it has been under Horan. This is very much a Kerry side in transition however the manner of their Munster final win has given them a new found confidence they perhaps didn't have the last two years. Sundays game all points to a high scoring contest and I have a feeling Kerry will nick it with a late goal.

    Kerry 2-14 Mayo 1-16


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    If asked 6 months ago I would have honestly said a 4+ win for Mayo if they met at semi final stage..but now..it's not far off 50/50.

    Can discuss it all day but I think this game will be won/lost around the middle third. If Kerry get anywhere close to breakeven there and DON'T allow Mayo to build from the back easily (giving up kickouts etc) then I can see a Kerry win.

    Conditions could be treacherous underfoot, so a slip by a corner back and the odd goal for either side could be crucial.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    I can't see how people are saying that Kerry are about as good as they were last year. Cooper is out, I don't think Buckley and Maher have improved much as a pairing. Mayo have improved in the middle. JOD was flying last year too so not much movement their IMHO. Mayo now have AOS in his best position and possibly Higgins in his best position too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Stoner wrote: »
    I can't see how people are saying that Kerry are about as good as they were last year. Cooper is out, I don't think Buckley and Maher have improved much as a pairing. Mayo have improved in the middle. JOD was flying last year too so not much movement their IMHO. Mayo now have AOS in his best position and possibly Higgins in his best position too

    Goalkeeper: Kelly, big improvement from Kealy.

    Defence: Fullback line look a good bit more solid. Lost Tomás but Fionn Fitz is turning into a top class defender. Murphy flying, Enright flying. AOM and Marc don't have the legs they used to, but still doing a decent job.

    Midfield: Possible area of concern to be fair. Maher not playing well, Sheehan an injury doubt (had been going well), Moran did very well in the air against Galway but sloppy in possession at times, Buckley was outstanding in Cork, quieter v Galway. Overall, still need to improve for sure.

    Forwards: Gooch is gone which is obviously a huge blow. The pace and movement has been good so far though. JOD has taken it to another level, Geaney is showing what he can do finally. Walsh is continuing to defy his doubters (I was once one myself!) and O'Brien has stepped it up massively also. Declan is playing his new role to perfection so far.

    Bench: Huge improvement off bench from recent years. Moran and Barry John Keane were outstanding off the bench against Galway. Darran Sull is getting near peak fitness all the time, Crowley is a great impact sub at the back.

    Given all that, despite the loss of Tomás and Gooch, I think we are overall a little bit more balanced and comfortable than last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Goalkeeper: Kelly, big improvement from Kealy.

    Defence: Fullback line look a good bit more solid. Lost Tomás but Fionn Fitz is turning into a top class defender. Murphy flying, Enright flying. AOM and Marc don't have the legs they used to, but still doing a decent job.

    Midfield: Possible area of concern to be fair. Maher not playing well, Sheehan an injury doubt (had been going well), Moran did very well in the air against Galway but sloppy in possession at times, Buckley was outstanding in Cork, quieter v Galway. Overall, still need to improve for sure.

    Forwards: Gooch is gone which is obviously a huge blow. The pace and movement has been good so far though. JOD has taken it to another level, Geaney is showing what he can do finally. Walsh is continuing to defy his doubters (I was once one myself!) and O'Brien has stepped it up massively also. Declan is playing his new role to perfection so far.

    Bench: Huge improvement off bench from recent years. Moran and Barry John Keane were outstanding off the bench against Galway. Darran Sull is getting near peak fitness all the time, Crowley is a great impact sub at the back.

    Given all that, despite the loss of Tomás and Gooch, I think we are overall a little bit more balanced and comfortable than last year.

    Yes it would look like Kerry have turned a corner and are improving and introducing new blood.

    But I still think it was be a bit early to confirm that some of them are long term stars.
    This is possibly the first real test for Kelly, Murphy, O Brien, and the two Geaneys.
    Last year a lot in Kerry were hailing Buckley, but this season they are a bit more lukewarm about him.
    I'm not sure if Griffin the full back is injured but he was another who was talked Bout a lot last year.
    And BJK has been around quiet a bit now but have never cemented his place in the squad.

    Mayo on the other hand are very well settled but unfortunately have not really introduced any new blood since Horan took over.
    Thus squad is very like the 2011 group.
    Its really last chance saloon for this squad and Horan.They need new blood for 2015 and beyond.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Yes it would look like Kerry have turned a corner and are improving and introducing new blood.

    But I still think it was be a bit early to confirm that some of them are long term stars.
    This is possibly the first real test for Kelly, Murphy, O Brien, and the two Geaneys.
    Last year a lot in Kerry were hailing Buckley, but this season they are a bit more lukewarm about him.
    I'm not sure if Griffin the full back is injured but he was another who was talked Bout a lot last year.
    And BJK has been around quiet a bit now but have never cemented his place in the squad.

    Mayo on the other hand are very well settled but unfortunately have not really introduced any new blood since Horan took over.
    Thus squad is very like the 2011 group.
    Its really last chance saloon for this squad and Horan.They need new blood for 2015 and beyond.

    No doubt, it's a new level for some of those you mentioned, but Kelly, Paul Geaney, O'Brien, Murphy are proven performers at Sigerson/U-21 level and have stepped up to every challenge so far.
    Griffin isn't injured, he was dropped after a few roastings in the league. Lot to learn yet, but he is only 22.
    Buckley is yet to prove he is able to effect game against a top 4 team I agree. Sunday will tell us more.
    BJK, I've spoken about before..has got unlucky, been inconsistent at times, fell out with Fitz 2 years ago etc..but there's no doubting his talent and he looks to be in great form right now.

    I think it's only fair to say, in terms of collectivism as a team, this Mayo team are on year 4 or thereabouts whereas this is probably year one for this Kerry team. I can understand Mayo being favourites, but I'm expecting a big Kerry performance on Sunday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    JoeCole26 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Hope im okay to post this here. Are there still tickets available in Mayo for this game? Im in Dublin and dont have many contacts up here with tickets for this game. Cant imagine it will sell out. Tickets on ticketmaster are not great at all. Just wondering if there is anyway of contacting the mayo county board to reserve tickets? Thanks

    I just got pretty decent Lower Hogan seats tickets on tickets.ie.

    Supervalu & Centras in Dublin sell GAA tickets too. They are an agent for ticket.ie, so they will have access to whatever is available online on ticket.ie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Tom Flynn is a good bit quicker than O'Shea.


    I'd still think O'Shea would be a lot harder to stop.

    Its not a good sign when any player runs that far almost completely unchallenged.


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