Vladamir Putin a clear and present danger to peace in Europe.

InTheTrees

sin_city wrote: »

Who do you think is a bigger threat to world peace...Obama or Putin?

Obama has two years remaining, in addition he is a democrat and congress is controlled by republicans.

Putin however, has shown that he will stay in power whatever it takes, even if he has to rewrite the russian constitution to do so.

Does anyone really know when putin will relinquish power?

sin_city

InTheTrees wrote: »

Obama has two years remaining, in addition he is a democrat and congress is controlled by republicans.

Putin however, has shown that he will stay in power whatever it takes, even if he has to rewrite the russian constitution to do so.

Does anyone really know when putin will relinquish power?

I find it amazing that Obama's policies are so similar to Bush's.

Do you sincerely believe the next guy will change course from drone strikes, bombing the world to spread democracy and peace, regime change and so on.....I sometimes think the real power is in the corporations, the banks and the military industrial complex.


Did Putin make moves without going through the Russian parliament? I thought he got approval from the Duma….I know Obama like most presidents prefers to exceed the use of his power through executive orders.

Anyway, maybe you’re right…..maybe the next US president will bring change.

Personally, I do not see Putin as anything near as much of a threat as I see those in Washington being.

mulbot

InTheTrees wrote: »

Russia has more oil than saudi and a life expectancy less than Egypt. They have horrendous social problems.

Its teetering on the edge of third world status.

Putin is robbing the people blind to pacify his oligarch friends.

Well like i said in earlier posts,i've been there quite a few times,have you? ,yea certain parts,people live in poverty,social problems,etc,,being honest tell me any country that doesn't have similiar problems-it's not the country as portrayed to us by our media, and remember alot of those socio-economic problems were created before Putin's time,.. even in the few short months that it's been back in Russian hands,Crimea and the Russians there have benefited,(but you wont't see that in our media!!)

mulbot

InTheTrees wrote: »

Comparing right wing corporate ownership of fox news and CNN and MSNBC in "the west" to restricting free speech in Russia is totally inaccurate to be honest.

Short of child porn, you can publish pretty much anything you want in the west. You can print a newspaper in london calling for the overthrow of the british government and the public execution of the royal family.

You can publish pictures of you pissing on the US constitution in front of the white house if you want.

So its a bit of a false equivalence isnt it?

I'd like to see someone start a LGBT news site in russia for instance.

Dont even think of criticising putin either.

And this is a major problem in our media,(say,or write what you want,even lies,you see how our media helped spread the garbage about WMD'S about Iraq etc)I'm all for free speech, and i didn't say i agree with how Russian media is managed-

InTheTrees

mulbot wrote: »

being honest tell me any country that doesn't have similiar problems

YOu want me to list the countries?

Start with all the countries of europe...

Having a life expectancy at 69 years old is a disgrace. Its at 3rd world levels.

Lack of healthcare, lack of social services. The place is a mess.

"being honest"? No, youre not.

InTheTrees

mulbot wrote: »

And this is a major problem in our media,(say,or write what you want,even lies,you see how our media helped spread the garbage about WMD'S about Iraq etc)I'm all for free speech, and i didn't say i agree with how Russian media is managed-

Oh god. Seriously?

You see free speech as a problem? But you're "all for it"???

This just gets better and better.

InTheTrees

mulbot wrote: »

Well like i said in earlier posts,i've been there quite a few times,have you?

Ok.

Can you describe your experiences with censorship in russian media then? What was it like to witness first hand?

InTheTrees

sin_city wrote: »

Personally, I do not see Putin as anything near as much of a threat as I see those in Washington being.

How long is left of putins current term of office?

comongethappy

InTheTrees wrote: »

How long is left of putins current term of office?

How long is his life?

Both answers are the same unless Vladi decides otherwise.

WakeUp

InTheTrees wrote: »

Ok.

Can you describe your experiences with censorship in russian media then? What was it like to witness first hand?

It looks like the Ukrainians are trying to put a law through that if passed will be a form of media censorship.

UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT APPROVES VERY DANGEROUS DRAFT LAW ON FIRST READING

It would allow the government to close media and block websites on national security grounds without a court’s permission

Reporters Without Borders condemns the draconian restrictions on freedom of information envisaged in a draft law that the Ukrainian parliament approved on first reading today.

If adopted, the proposed law would allow the National Security and Defence Council (RNBO) to suppress the dissemination of any national or international media or block any website on the grounds of protecting “security and national interests” without referring to a court.
http://en.rsf.org/ukraine-ukrainian-parliament-approves-very-12-08-2014,46793.html

bad Ukrainians. does anyone know how many nazis are currently sitting in the Ukrainian parliament. or did they get booted out.

comongethappy

WakeUp wrote: »

It looks like the Ukrainians are trying to put a law through that if passed will be a form of media censorship.

UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT APPROVES VERY DANGEROUS DRAFT LAW ON FIRST READING

It would allow the government to close media and block websites on national security grounds without a court’s permission

Reporters Without Borders condemns the draconian restrictions on freedom of information envisaged in a draft law that the Ukrainian parliament approved on first reading today.

If adopted, the proposed law would allow the National Security and Defence Council (RNBO) to suppress the dissemination of any national or international media or block any website on the grounds of protecting “security and national interests” without referring to a court.
http://en.rsf.org/ukraine-ukrainian-parliament-approves-very-12-08-2014,46793.html

bad Ukrainians. does anyone know how many nazis are currently sitting in the Ukrainian parliament. or did they get booted out.

Ukraine & Russia are as bad (and right wing) as each other.

I'm unsure though, how this counts as a response to 'trees' query posed to you.

You didn't answer his query at all.

WakeUp

comongethappy wrote: »

Ukraine & Russia are as bad (and right wing) as each other.

I'm unsure though, how this counts as a response to 'trees' query posed to you.

exactly. they are as bad as each other and it appears on the same wavelength when it comes to censorship of the media. I just read "trees" post seen the words " Russia media censorship" had read that story earlier so thought I would share it.

InTheTrees

WakeUp wrote: »

It looks like the Ukrainians are trying to put a law through that if passed will be a form of media censorship.

Get back to us if they actually pass it.

Unlike in russia where what putin says is automatically law and the media is completely locked down with censorship already.

Bad russians.

:pac:

WakeUp

InTheTrees wrote: »

Get back to us if they actually pass it.

Unlike in russia where what putin says is automatically law and the media is completely locked down with censorship already.

Bad russians.

:pac:

The draft has been approved by the parliament you could say with nearly total certainty it will pass and become law..so what are your thoughts on that?..

mulbot

InTheTrees wrote: »

Oh god. Seriously?

You see free speech as a problem? But you're "all for it"???

This just gets better and better.

"And this is a major problem in our media,(say,or write what you want,even lies,you see how our media helped spread the garbage about WMD'S about Iraq etc)I'm all for free speech, and i didn't say i agree with how Russian media is managed-"

The quote above contains the exact words i wrote this morning-stop paraphrasing please(again).,Where in that sentence did i say i see free speech as a problem? You can also see i said i didn't agree with how the russian media is managed,

I picked up on a point in a previous post where the it was said"you can publish pretty much anything you want in the west"- my point being that "free speech" shouldn't be an excuse to print deliberate lies to mislead-

mulbot

InTheTrees wrote: »

Ok.

Can you describe your experiences with censorship in russian media then? What was it like to witness first hand?

not much experience being honest(,it's obvious to see it's censored in relation to the inner workings of the country,Putin,governments,,very open in relation to whats goin on in the world,very proud of anything positive regarding their country

Hidalgo

InTheTrees wrote: »

YOu want me to list the countries?

Start with all the countries of europe...

Having a life expectancy at 69 years old is a disgrace. Its at 3rd world levels.

Lack of healthcare, lack of social services. The place is a mess.

"being honest"? No, youre not.

Russian current life exoextancy isn't at 3rd world level. 3rd world level is African countries like Ivory Coast, Burkino Faso, Niger
All at 56 yrs. There's others in the lower 50s
That's 3rd world.

InTheTrees

Hidalgo wrote: »

Russian current life exoextancy isn't at 3rd world level. 3rd world level is African countries like Ivory Coast, Burkino Faso, Niger
All at 56 yrs. There's others in the lower 50s
That's 3rd world.

Yup, there's some that are lower.

But its the same as eqypt. Thats 3rd world.

sin_city

InTheTrees wrote: »

How long is left of putins current term of office?

Probably less than the Saudi King....They’ve got a good, wholesome regime in the KSA which the US and Europe all support….Long live the king

sin_city

InTheTrees wrote: »

Get back to us if they actually pass it.

Unlike in russia where what putin says is automatically law and the media is completely locked down with censorship already.

Bad russians.

:pac:

Putin goes through the Duma....US presidents use executive order.

InTheTrees

sin_city wrote: »

Probably less than the Saudi King...

Huh?

Its actually a serious question.

How long does Putin have left in office?

When is the next election for instance? And is he going to swap with medvedev again and be prime minister?

Or have they altered the constitution to give him unlimited time?

InTheTrees

sin_city wrote: »

Putin goes through the Duma....US presidents use executive order.

US presidents use executive order?

Amongst other things. They also have to use congress.

Can you describe how the duma passes a law?

Do you even know?

sin_city

InTheTrees wrote: »

US presidents use executive order?

Amongst other things. They also have to use congress.

Can you describe how the duma passes a law?

Do you even know?

Do I even know? I don't particularly appreciate your tone.

Well on this topic the Duma voted 445-1 approval on the Crimea annexation.

The Duma is the lower house which the people of Russia vote on...the upper house is not voted on....much like how the US used to be.

What more do you want to know?

sin_city

InTheTrees wrote: »

Huh?

Its actually a serious question.

How long does Putin have left in office?

When is the next election for instance? And is he going to swap with medvedev again and be prime minister?

Or have they altered the constitution to give him unlimited time?

He can serve two terms in a row and then he must give up the role until someone else takes over but he can come take up the role again....2 consecutive terms are allowed.

I don't see the problem....Different systems in different countries....Maggie Thatcher was in power for nearly 12 years in the UK...Putin has not been in power that long yet.

As for Saudi Arabia....there system is a king...I don't see people complaining about that...We should not have the arrogance to think our system is best...Different things work for different places.

I do however believe the type of government the US installs in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran in the past, and now the coup with the Nazis in Ukraine....I don't think these are good types of governments...You are entitled to disagree, just my 5 cents

InTheTrees

mulbot wrote: »

I picked up on a point in a previous post where the it was said"you can publish pretty much anything you want in the west"- my point being that "free speech" shouldn't be an excuse to print deliberate lies to mislead-

I missed this before.

Funny.

YOU dont seem to grasp the concept of Free Speech at all.

Short of child porn, or actual death threats (maybe), It actually does mean you can print "deliberate lies to mislead".

InTheTrees

sin_city wrote: »

As for Saudi Arabia....there system is a king...I don't see people complaining about that...

Saudi Arabia is one of the most restricted societies on earth. When saudi society is talked about, who doesnt complain?

InTheTrees

sin_city wrote: »

We should not have the arrogance to think our system is best...Different things work for different places.

But keeping silent while people are abused by governments would be cowardly wouldn't it?

You think we shouldn't say anything about the treatment of women in Saudi? Or gays in Russia? Or Black people in the USA?

InTheTrees

sin_city wrote: »

I don't see the problem....Different systems in different countries....Maggie Thatcher was in power for nearly 12 years in the UK...Putin has not been in power that long yet.

Since 1999 putin has either been president or prime minister.

He and his little pal Medvedev just keep swapping back and forth between them.

Its a joke. Its like the old communist countries calling themselves "democratic republics".

InTheTrees

sin_city wrote: »

Well on this topic the Duma voted 445-1 approval on the Crimea annexation.

LOL!!

That must have been a fascinating "debate"!

The one vote against is probably in jail now.

:pac:

mulbot

InTheTrees wrote: »

I missed this before.

Funny.

YOU dont seem to grasp the concept of Free Speech at all.

Short of child porn, or actual death threats (maybe), It actually does mean you can print "deliberate lies to mislead".

So do you think that's ok?