Malaysian Airline shot down

The Dagda

It's reported in RT that Putin's plane was in the vicinity of the Malaysian jet when it was shot down.

Being shot down by mistake when the real target is Putin seems a more likely theory than some of the clutching at straws here.

Daithi 1

The Dagda wrote: »

It's reported in RT that Putin's plane was in the vicinity of the Malaysian jet when it was shot down.

Being shot down by mistake when the real target is Putin seems a more likely theory than some of the clutching at straws here.

If Putins plane was hit, we wouldn't have all the magic 17's.

enno99

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Some juice for yas... This is straight from the Corr !

"Malaysia airlines Flight 17 first flew 17 July 1997 until
17 July 2014 when it was downed 17 years later. There is an occult significance to this for those in the know"

Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

I think one of the comments was really interesting

This speech was given on January 14, 2014. She refers to the G7 as having something to do with it. On that date, there was no G7, it was the G8. It was not until March 24, 2014 that Russia was kicked out of the G8 thereby making it once again the G7. Another example that everything is planned out in advance by the NWO!

old_aussie

shanered wrote: »

Just seen that aircraft had been shot down. Was thinking about who done it, the Russians? The Ukrainians?
But here is a thought, also seeing that Israeli ground invasion of Gaza strip started just after under the cover of this flight terrorist attack, could it be possible that some special ops section of the Israeli army taken out the flight as a media cover for their invasion.

Maybe its all a coincidence, but I was thinking along the lines of who benifits from the crash, and I believe Israels public relations will be quite happy to have world news covering the flight disaster rather than the invasion...

What does anybody else think?

No

youtube!

murpho999 wrote: »

What sort of warped mind would think Israel shot this plane down?

How would they get such large weapons into Ukraine?

How can people say they want to deflect attention when the story of Gaza is getting huge coverage.

Also, Israel has invaded Gaza before without any other deflection plans.

It's a very poor conspiracy theory.

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29535

Beano

youtube! wrote: »

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29535

we're not bringing that up again are we? that article is from march and relates to the plane that disappeared not the plane shot down. In fact it doesnt really relate to either plane. Its just an ex malaysia airlines planes that they sold off and was stored in israel by the buyers.

youtube!

Beano wrote: »

we're not bringing that up again are we? that article is from march and relates to the plane that disappeared not the plane shot down. In fact it doesnt really relate to either plane. Its just an ex malaysia airlines planes that they sold off and was stored in israel by the buyers.

maybe but that's one helluva coincidence....

yopy

RiteofPassage wrote: »

The US has the most to gain from this, they have a proven track record of downing civilian planes. Shepherd Smith was literally foaming at the mouth on Fox. Jumping to all sorts of conclusions before any facts were established.

Who watches Fox?!!

yopy

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Some juice for yas... This is straight from the Corr !

"Malaysia airlines Flight 17 first flew 17 July 1997 until
17 July 2014 when it was downed 17 years later. There is an occult significance to this for those in the know"

It must have been Leeds United new owner Massimo Cellino who is noted for his hatred of the number 17!

seamus

There are actual dead people here. Civilians who are known to have boarded MH17 yesterday and are now dead, many of them their bodies captured on video naked, burned and broken and uploaded to the web. A colleague of my brother's and his family are all confirmed dead after leaving for a holiday yesterday.

Unless you're going to believe that Israel flew their 777 to Amsterdam yesterday and managed to fool Malay Airlines into putting their passengers on the Israeli plane, then this theory that it was an Israeli plane is a dead end.

Beano

youtube! wrote: »

maybe but that's one helluva coincidence....

a coincidence of what? you seem to think that something can be inferred from its presence. The plane is still reported to be in Israel so how could it be linked to either of the malaysia airlines planes?

Tzar Chasm

There is a tape doing the rounds which seems to be an intercepted conversation between rebel commanders, initially they claim to have shot down a ukranian Antanov, then they inspect the wreckage and discover it was a civilian plane.

there are also pictures of a BAM rocket launcher which the rebels claimed to be in posession of.

As for Israel, I doubt they did this, but you can be damm sure they will capatalise on the distraction to slaughter as many palestinians as possible

DamagedTrax

another angle has shown itself.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10975275/Leading-HIV-researchers-lost-as-flight-MH17-is-downed-in-Ukraine.html

RiteofPassage

This is definitely a false flag.

What a coincidence, first airplane rebels down @ 10,000 meters and its a civilian Malaysian 777.

Plane flying off course today.. SUN HEADLINE: PUTINS MISSILE

buried

The media propaganda slant is very strong in the reporting of this terrible incident. I watched it on tv as it broke and was amazed at the speed of the judgement laid out as to who was responsible with no actual evidence or facts. On sky news, literally 20 minutes into its coverage they were reporting the unconfirmed angle, but reporting as total fact, that it was Russian backed separatists as the culprits, claiming they had definite evidence that Russia was directly responsible but the evidence is really just a bunch of unidentifiable Russian men discussing an event??

30 minutes later sky news gives us a statement from the Malaysian transport minister where he states "we do not even know if the aircraft has been shot down or has crashed, as of yet" - which is a good common sense statement really, but sky news does its best to demean the Transport minister by wrongly describing him as "that guy from the MH370 flight debacle" they also disgracefully tried to demean the Ministers statement with this ridiculous line - "Malaysia is seven hours behind us here so they have no clue as to what is happening - but we do"

This is an hour after the first reports of the crash. Its no wonder some people suspect this very matter of fact blame slant and blame conclusion as it literally happened 60 minutes after the crash, I mean, how many other airline disasters were completely "solved" 60 minutes after the crash by some presenter in a London TV studio?

The main question I think is how was this aircraft given clearance and directions to use this particular airspace, where in the last few weeks numerous other aircraft have been shot down by BUK's in this total anarchic warfare zone? Other aircraft were shot down in this area of Eastern Ukraine, right? That was being repeatedly reported yesterday by mainstream media outlets, but that angle on the story has somewhat gone quiet today. Is that due to Malaysian Airline officials giving official statements earlier today that MH17 was given clearance and directions to fly into this conflict zone, a warzone in which we were repeatedly informed yesterday, that - supposedly 3 other Ukrainian military aircraft were 'shot down by pro-Russian separatists' during the last week?

Seanachai

Another possibility,

"Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.
Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar."

http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-

shanered

Seanachai wrote: »

Another possibility,

"Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.
Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar."

http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-

Pity they took the story down from their page...

RiteofPassage

In my opinion its the Airlines fault for flying there. MA must be really incompetent.

The land they were flying over wasn't in Ukrainian control, and they hardly went to rebels for permission to fly over it.

degrassinoel

is it possible they were flying around bad weather?

Rhys Essien

RiteofPassage wrote: »

In my opinion its the Airlines fault for flying there. MA must be really incompetent.

The land they were flying over wasn't in Ukrainian control, and they hardly went to rebels for permission to fly over it.

degrassinoel wrote: »

is it possible they were flying around bad weather?

The vast majority of airlines saw no danger flying over the Donetsk region especially at 30,000ft+.And why would they.These BUK missile batteries were only captured less than 3 weeks ago on 29 June.There have been around 900 flights that have flown this route in the last few months and yesterday there was 4 other airlines Emirates,Etihad,Singapore and Kazakh 'near' Malaysia Airlines.It could have been any one of them.

degrassinoel

yeah, i would have thought that, but the reason for the deviation of course was for what reason? I'm assuming bad weather because it's the most logical explanation. Failing that, instrument foulup or deliberate course change in flight plan.

Conas

buried wrote: »

The media propaganda slant is very strong in the reporting of this terrible incident. I watched it on tv as it broke and was amazed at the speed of the judgement laid out as to who was responsible with no actual evidence or facts. On sky news, literally 20 minutes into its coverage they were reporting the unconfirmed angle, but reporting as total fact, that it was Russian backed separatists as the culprits, claiming they had definite evidence that Russia was directly responsible but the evidence is really just a bunch of unidentifiable Russian men discussing an event??

I agree 100%.

I turned on the O'Reilly Factor last night, and he was blaming Putin saying it was all his fault. :rolleyes:

Scrolled across 'The Sun' newspaper today was the headline 'Putin's Missile'. It's all about point scoring now. Just goes to show you that they really couldn't care less about the families of those that have been killed.

RiteofPassage

Of course they don't care about the family's. Its about winning the game, changing the game, and counting the dollars.

Putin-

Signed new deal with Cuba
Established BRIC bank.
Providing global leadership to China and South America.
Fought coup in Ukraine.
Established alternative source of information RT.
Gave refuge to Snowden.

The banksters need to act, the BRIC bank was the last straw.


Anglo/Jewish control of world is threatened. Expect the body-count to rise.

Conas

RiteofPassage wrote: »

Of course they don't care about the family's. Its about winning the game, changing the game, and counting the dollars.

Putin-

Signed new deal with Cuba
Established BRIC bank.
Providing global leadership to China and South America.
Fought coup in Ukraine.
Established alternative source of information RT.
Gave refuge to Snowden.

The banksters need to act, the BRIC bank was the last straw.


Anglo/Jewish control of world is threatened. Expect the body-count to rise.

There won't be any last straw though because Russia is a big bear, and the whole world knows it. I don't think the bankers will be able to do very much unless they manage to dupe the American public and declare war on Russia, which is never going to happen. Russia isn't Iraq, or Vietnam. If America couldn't win those wars, it wouldn't dare go against Russia unless they want to lose millions of men, and still lose.

jacksie66

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youtube!

Ukraine carried this out themselves it's obvious, they want NATO to help them against Putin!

RiteofPassage

youtube! wrote: »

Ukraine carried this out themselves it's obvious, they want NATO to help them against Putin!

I agree, Kremlin has these questions for Ukraine.

1. Why was plane given permission to fly over warzone.
2. Why was plane told to drop from 35,000 ft to 33,000 feet.
3. Did any Ukrainian Fighters escort plane?
4. Why were Ukrainian BUK launchers active in area when rebels have no airplanes.
5. Can all Ukrainian Airforce movements be made available.
6> Ukraine military claimed rebels downed plane immediately after accident- what evidence do you have of this? can it be made available to investigation

If anyone wants an alternative view of western world youtube.com/watch?v=k4phNuwx8Hs


beautiful speech

Harold Weiss

When I saw John McCain stealing headlines to blame Putin in relation to this airline crash, I knew exactly who was behind it.

The same people that wanted US to bomb Iran, Syria, Iraq and Libya. The same people that wanted US troops deployed in certain African nations like Nigeria and Uganda. The same people that wanted to arm Ukrainian military against Russia...

Elmer Blooker

Harold Weiss wrote: »

When I saw John McCain stealing headlines to blame Putin in relation to this airline crash, I knew exactly who was behind it.

The same people that wanted US to bomb Iran, Syria, Iraq and Libya. The same people that wanted US troops deployed in certain African nations like Nigeria and Uganda. The same people that wanted to arm Ukrainian military against Russia...

Obama calls for more sanctions but as we know the EU (especially Germany) are reluctant to impose sanctions so less than 24 hours after Obama's call - guess what? .... a plane of mostly EU citizens is shot down by "Putin's gang" When I saw Obama exploiting this Malaysian air tragedy for propaganda purposes while the wreckage was still smouldering on the ground I have serious doubts about who was behind it.
The Kiev government insist they are 100% certain that separatists armed by Putin shot down the plane while at the same time accusing the separatists of "tampering" with evidence? Is this not a contradiction as the Kiev gov needs no evidence?
Not a single word from Kiev air traffic control either? Extremely odd!

To my knowledge when a plane crashes the last dialogue between pilot and air traffic control is made public like the other Malaysian plane that disappeared. This is shrouded in mystery?

A simple search reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200km north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysian Airlines in the previous days – and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication had MH17 received from the Kiev air control tower?

Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.

It won’t happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation as to why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion

Harold Weiss

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Obama calls for more sanctions but as we know the EU (especially Germany) are reluctant to impose sanctions so less than 24 hours after Obama's call - guess what? .... a plane of mostly EU citizens is shot down by "Putin's gang" When I saw Obama exploiting this Malaysian air tragedy for propaganda purposes while the wreckage was still smouldering on the ground I have serious doubts about who was behind it.
The Kiev government insist they are 100% certain that separatists armed by Putin shot down the plane while at the same time accusing the separatists of "tampering" with evidence? Is this not a contradiction as the Kiev gov needs no evidence?
Not a single word from Kiev air traffic control either? Extremely odd!

I feel as though the relentless demonization of Putin is because he won't open up the country to exploitation by foreign investors.

During the 90s after the collapse of USSR, the vast majority of the country's wealth were in the hands of a dozen Oligarchs, to the detriment of Russian people.

Jeff Gates does an excellent job of exposing John McCain and his connections to international organized crime in the book, 'Guilt By Association: How Deception and Self-Deceit took America to War'

2nd, 3rd and 4th chapters discuss organized crime in Arizona, financial fraud and attack on USS liberty all connected to McCain family.

There's a chapter on Game Theory and how it's used to manipulate public opinion for geostrategic objectives.

I suppose the overall issue here is Putin isn't liked very much by the organized criminals that want to control Russia's resources and they've been tirelessly trying to undermine him since the day he took over from Yeltsin.

Yeltsin of course was loved by the oligarchs because he was continually drunk and let oligarchs financially rape the country.

So whenever you see John McCain on TV again crying about something, you'll know he's there on behalf of his criminal buddies.