Malaysian Airline shot down

S.R.

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

There is a tape doing the rounds which seems to be an intercepted conversation between rebel commanders, initially they claim to have shot down a ukranian Antanov, then they inspect the wreckage and discover it was a civilian plane.

there are also pictures of a BAM rocket launcher which the rebels claimed to be in posession of.

As for Israel, I doubt they did this, but you can be damm sure they will capatalise on the distraction to slaughter as many palestinians as possible

Can we have a link to pictures?

Seanachai

shanered wrote: »

Pity they took the story down from their page...

Good job I copied and pasted it to a wordpad, I'd a feeling that was going to happen.

"ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.
This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.
The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.
Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.
Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.
Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.
Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.
According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.
The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.
Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.
ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received."

Markcheese

Are the black boxes going to show/ prove anything ? I don't think anyone doubts plane was destroyed by a missile? Or that it was a Russian/ former soviet system that was used. That's what all sides would use .. As to where it was fired from and who fired it ,I doubt the boxes will show that...?

Owryan

They might be able to show the initial point of impact ie either wing, fuselage or tail area by what sensors suddenly stop working. They could also give a time stamp for the precise time of impact.

Altitude, speed and direction would also be useful.

Perhaps a bit more morbidly but the black boxes might contain data which could establish whether the plane exploded suddenly (probable instant death) or fell to earth and broke apart on the way down (longer more gruesome death).

DamagedTrax

recently posted in AH

Robert Parry of Consortium News has credible evidence that a source says US satellite images show likely Ukrainian soldiers brought down the plane.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/

Owryan

Something that does surprise me is the lack of satellite footage from the area.

Given the on going situation in the region it would only stand to reason that the US would have substantial ongoing satellite coverage in place and surely this would be able to identify where any missile was launched from.

weisses

Owryan wrote: »

Something that does surprise me is the lack of satellite footage from the area.

Given the on going situation in the region it would only stand to reason that the US would have substantial ongoing satellite coverage in place and surely this would be able to identify where any missile was launched from.

They have all the intel ... Probably reluctant to share for obvious reasons

Elmer Blooker

DamagedTrax wrote: »

recently posted in AH

Robert Parry of Consortium News has credible evidence that a source says US satellite images show likely Ukrainian soldiers brought down the plane.

Obama is telling us that evidence is "being tampered with" The cover up has started? This makes any inquiry impossible now.
Attack the best form of defence, very clever.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/21/obama-to-speak-about-situation-in-ukraine/

Markcheese

Owryan wrote: »

Something that does surprise me is the lack of satellite footage from the area.

Given the on going situation in the region it would only stand to reason that the US would have substantial ongoing satellite coverage in place and surely this would be able to identify where any missile was launched from.

Wouldn't an appropriate satellite have to be passing overhead at pretty much the moment the missile was launched at the Malaysian air flight... Yes they could probably see scorch marks from the launch( if they weren't covered) but the rebels have launched a good few missiles if the number of Ukrainian jets destroyed is anything to go by..

Rotunda Shill

Malaysian Airlines 777 200ER (MH370 and now MH17) have both been the source of the two most
recent major air disasters.

Malaysian Airlines is a small airlines with 49 active aircraft and just 12 and now just 10 Boeing 777200er:s
There are roughly 40,000 active passenger aircraft in active use throughout the world.
That means for this to happen twice it requires a selection of the same random pool ….Twice.
The size of this random pool is 12/40,000.
Therefore the odds of a disaster happening twice to the EXACT same type of aircraft from the
same airline is (12/40,000) x (12/40,000) = (144/1,600,000,000) or

1 in 11,111,111.11 or Roughly one in 11 million.

Mathematically proof that this is another false flag.

A crash involving a Boeing 777 300 ER Predicted: March 31, 2014... w w w . bollyn. c o m are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-missing-777/

#MH17 Zionist orchestrated false flag, media distraction from Genocide in GAZA by a Global terrorist Government and a kindling for WW3 nuclear war.

Seanachai

It's possible that there are plants in the separatists and even if the black boxes are genuine and haven't been tampered with they would have to be monitored at every stage. There's bound to be American agents in the Malaysian government also. It would suit the US narrative to paint Putin as the devil and uncle Sam as the defender of right.

Beano

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Malaysian Airlines 777 200ER (MH370 and now MH17) have both been the source of the two most
recent major air disasters.

Malaysian Airlines is a small airlines with 49 active aircraft and just 12 and now just 10 Boeing 777200er:s
There are roughly 40,000 active passenger aircraft in active use throughout the world.
That means for this to happen twice it requires a selection of the same random pool ….Twice.
The size of this random pool is 12/40,000.
Therefore the odds of a disaster happening twice to the EXACT same type of aircraft from the
same airline is (12/40,000) x (12/40,000) = (144/1,600,000,000) or

1 in 11,111,111.11 or Roughly one in 11 million.

Mathematically proof that this is another false flag.

A crash involving a Boeing 777 300 ER Predicted: March 31, 2014... w w w . bollyn. c o m are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-missing-777/

#MH17 Zionist orchestrated false flag, media distraction from Genocide in GAZA by a Global terrorist Government and a kindling for WW3 nuclear war.

I dont think you understand what the words "mathematically proof" (sic) mean.

youtube!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qt70FEv1Y4&feature=youtu.be&list=UUOGDlHWXKWzzDaG8jruVNWQ


how much more proof do we need?

Beano

god she has an annoying voice.

And that definitely says RD not RC. She needs glasses.

Elmer Blooker

I see Ukrainian PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk resigned today, "differences" in the cabinet the official reason. Is he getting it over and done with as possible new revelations could emerge?
I am of the opinion the shooting down of MH17 is very similar to the shooting down of the Korean Airlines plane in 1983. In that incident the Korean jet was a decoy for a reconnaissance mission over a Soviet naval base. I think the possibility of a reconnaissance mission over rebel positions in Donetsk while using MH17 as a decoy is not out the question. Was MH17 instructed to take a more northerly route that took it over Donetsk.

The aircraft was en route from Anchorage to Seoul when it flew through prohibited Soviet airspace around the time of a U.S. reconnaissance mission.

Harold Weiss

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I am of the opinion the shooting down of MH17 is very similar to the shooting down of the Korean Airlines plane in 1983. In that incident the Korean jet was a decoy for a reconnaissance mission over a Soviet naval base.

I read about this theory and a few others but there's rarely mention of Larry McDonald that was on board.

Larry McDonald was a strong opponent of CFR and the Trilateral commission among other subversive groups or "secret societies"

He was very intelligent, articulate man and staunch critic of globalization. He had a lot of potential to be president or at least a viable challenge to bank puppet Reagan. Some theorize he was assassinated while on KAL 007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BPhYEFGaGM

I think the possibility of a reconnaissance mission over rebel positions in Donetsk while using MH17 as a decoy is not out the question. Was MH17 instructed to take a more northerly route that took it over Donetsk.

Hard to know why the plane was sent over that territory but since the US have satellites now, I don't know why they would need aircraft.

My guess is the aircraft was diverted over that territory deliberately.

I'm certainly not suggesting the US ordered the plane to be diverted over East Ukraine but someone did and not necessarily for poor weather conditions.

jjbrien

Did anyone here see the TV3 special. One thing sprung to mind when I was watching the special maybe im wrong but it a little ovious so hear me out on this one. The flight number was MH17 and it was brought down on the 17th. Any connection to 7/7 or 911? It is a little too lucky to shoot down a plane on the 17th with a flight number of 17. Them rebels knew this was a civillian flight I think or whoever fired this rocket did.

Rotunda Shill

Its quite funny to see the United States accusing Russia on the baseless evidence of pathetic UTube clips and tabloid pointing accusations of which all have fallen flat on their faces. America has perhaps the most advanced ATC and Satellite coms systems on the face of the planet and yet it will fail to display any of this because it would only shoot it self in the foot with discrepancies.

Russia will will of course annihilate this case as it did with that chemical attack in Ghouta Syria on 21 August 2013.My only fear is that Obama could launch an attack before the dust settles on this case. He is nothing other than a terrorist supporting psychopath and control freak...

Daithi 1

Havnt really read this, some may be interested.

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

Elmer Blooker

This is very interesting, especially eye witness accounts but then again it will be immediately dismissed as lies and Russian propaganda - meanwhile any information that comes from the Svoboda / Right Sector dominated Ministry of the Interior is "evidence" and "reliable sources"

“They [Kiev troops] use these civilian aircraft to hide behind,”

http://rt.com/news/175476-bbc-deleted-report-mh17/

Tesco TripleChicken

shanered wrote: »

Can you think of any other group that will benifit from the shooting down of the airline?

Boeing

Rotunda Shill

Mossad Crest.....

7 candle stick Hanuka.
7 dots in script.
17 Olive Leaf branch Left side
17 Olive Leaf branch Right side

Rhys Essien

jjbrien wrote: »

Did anyone here see the TV3 special. One thing sprung to mind when I was watching the special maybe im wrong but it a little ovious so hear me out on this one. The flight number was MH17 and it was brought down on the 17th. Any connection to 7/7 or 911? It is a little too lucky to shoot down a plane on the 17th with a flight number of 17. Them rebels knew this was a civillian flight I think or whoever fired this rocket did.

As well as this,the jet first flew exactly 17 years previous to the very day on 17 July 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

Harold Weiss

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Mossad Crest.....

7 candle stick Hanuka.
7 dots in script.
17 Olive Leaf branch Left side
17 Olive Leaf branch Right side

Troll bait or maybe Hasbara?

How exactly does it help to connect the downing of the plane with numbers?

Rotunda Shill

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Troll bait or maybe Hasbara?

How exactly does it help to connect the downing of the plane with numbers?

MH17 17/7/(2+0+1+4=7)

Mossad 17/17/7/7

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King Mob

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

MH17 17/7/(2+0+1+4=7)

Mossad 17/17/7/7

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Why exactly do you think this occurred?

Did the Mossad pick the date and plane specifically for those numbers? If so, to what benefit?
Why would they leave clues that make it obvious that they were involved?

Rotunda Shill

King Mob wrote: »

Why exactly do you think this occurred?

Did the Mossad pick the date and plane specifically for those numbers? If so, to what benefit?
Why would they leave clues that make it obvious that they were involved?

You are talking to a numerologist here..

Obvious ... To distract the gullible masses that watch mainstream media with padding while Genocide takes place in GAZA and also to draw Russia into war... Mossad is the left arm of Satan.

The date was chosen well in advance ... numbers all line up like a one arm bandit Jack pot..

Why would they leave clues that make it obvious that they were involved?...

There is power in those numbers.... the "33",000 feet was a magic number ... the altitude that the plane got supposingly blown out of the sky...

The passengers were already DEAD and Rotten before this plane even took even took off by remote control. .

There are two things to look out for in MH17.... The numbers that add up and the numbers that don't add up... First we should deal with the numbers that add up...

the 7's 17' and 777's

Boeing 777 Crashes on 17/7/2014 = 777 (2+0+1+4=7) also 121 days after MH370 crashed……121÷ 7 = 17


Other numerical lack pots..........

9/11 Israeli False flag Sept 11 is the 111th day before end of year and the 254th of the year….2+5+4 = 11

London Tube Bombing False Flag 7 /7 / 2005 (2+0+0+5 = 7) 777

Madrid Atocha Bomb 2004 False Flag (train no 21431) 2+1+4+3+1=11 Date = 11 /3/ 2004 = 11


1/1/1999 the Euro was introduced in exactly 11 countries.

#Always look out for those numbers because the Devil is in the detail.

King Mob

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

You are talking to a numerologist here..

Obvious ... To distract the gullible masses that watch mainstream media with padding while Genocide takes place in GAZA and also to draw Russia into war... Mossad is the left arm of Satan.

But you are saying that they are making it obvious that it was them.
If they wanted to cause a distraction, why would they make it obvious that it was a distraction?

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

The date was chosen well in advance ... numbers all line up like a one arm bandit Jack pot..

Why would they leave clues that make it obvious that they were involved?...

There is power in those numbers.... the "33",000 feet was a magic number ... the altitude that the plane got supposingly blown out of the sky...

What kind of power exactly?
What effect did that specific date actually have?

Rotunda Shill

King Mob wrote: »

But you are saying that they are making it obvious that it was them.
If they wanted to cause a distraction, why would they make it obvious that it was a distraction?


What kind of power exactly?
What effect did that specific date actually have?

You are very quick on the mark...you seem like a professional.... how much are you being paid?

Do you have my posts flagged?

You are like a big spider that jumps on a fly when it lands in a web.

Yes these Cockroaches like their plans hidden in plane site... Pun intended....

Devil worshipers believe that a carefully planned event must be carried out according to the correct numbers, or it may not be successful.

They will go to great lengths to make an event occur according to the correct number line ups. Devil worshipers will place much faith in the inherent power of number, they can discretely incorporate their secretive numbers in chosen dates. 777 is certainly a Jackpot and has been struck down twice.

King Mob

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Devil worshipers believe that a carefully planned event must be carried out according to the correct numbers, or it may not be successful.

So do you believe that they would indeed fail if they used a different date or are they mistaken in their beliefs?

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

They will go to great lengths to make an event occur according to the correct number line ups. Devil worshipers will place much faith in the inherent power of number, they can discretely incorporate their secretive numbers in chosen dates. 777 is certainly a Jackpot and has been struck down twice.

Again you seem to be contradicting yourself.
You say that they are discretely using secret numbers.
But you are also saying that you know the numbers and that they are obvious.

Could you explain that the inherent power of number is?