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wes

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Hamas are quite explicit about their aims. They want to establish an Islamic Caliphate and everyone who lives in the region must convert to Islam or die.

Hamas wants a Palestinian state. Secondly there are still Christians in Gaza btw. So again with the nonsense hyperbole.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The aim of the Palestinians has always been to conquer Israel and mass murder all of the Jews.

Really, so ALL Palestinians want to kill the Jews. Simple minded racist nonsense.

Azwaldo55

Nodin wrote: »

Dear Jesus. My only hope is that you're just trotting out that crap to get a reaction.

You are in total denial of the nature of the Palestinians.

They are quite explicit that they want to kill all the Jews and conquer the land between "the river and sea."

Yasser Arafat wore his head dress in the shape of the future Palestinian state and his aims were the same and those of Hamas today.

"We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land!"

This is what you are supporting when you support Palestinian "freedom."

The preamble of the Hamas Charter states:

″Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it″

old hippy

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

You are in total denial of the nature of the Palestinians.

They are quite explicit that they want to kill all the Jews and conquer the land between "the river and sea."

Yasser Arafat wore his head dress in the shape of the future Palestinian state and his aims were the same and those of Hamas today.

"We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land!"

This is what you are supporting when you support Palestinian "freedom."

The preamble of the Hamas Charter states:

″Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it″

I'd almost take you seriously but I've just been looking at some of your other posts. Vile and fanatical.

I Heart Internet

wes wrote: »

Hamas wants a Palestinian state. Secondly there are still Christians in Gaza btw. So again with the nonsense hyperbole.

There are. Hamas' allies in many other parts of the middle east are doing an excellent job of eradicating them at the moment though.

Azwaldo55

wes wrote: »

Hamas wants a Palestinian state. Secondly there are still Christians in Gaza btw. So again with the nonsense hyperbole.

Christians are routinely violently persecuted and murdered.

Really, so ALL Palestinians want to kill the Jews. Simple minded racist nonsense.

The Palestinians have been screaming "Death To Israel" and "Death to Jews" for decades. They have been trying their damnedest to do precisely that for decades.

It is lunatic to deny what Palestinians have been quite explicit about for decades.

B9K9

A plague on all of them. just think of the curses you shoulda heaped upon them, instead of giving them succour, when they spark off a nuclear war. I'm anti Semite in the sense they fight filthy with little regard for the rest of us.

Azwaldo55

old hippy wrote: »

I'd almost take you seriously but I've just been looking at some of your other posts. Vile and fanatical.

You are in total denial.

Hamas has the same ideology as ISIS, Al-Qaida, the Taliban, Boko Haram and many other Islamic terrorist groups - a global Caliphate.

I am pro-democracy, pro-free speech, pro-gay rights, pro-women's rights, pro-human rights and would consider myself a left wing liberal.

Political Islam represents a threat to our entire civilization.

Nodin

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

You are in(..............) before it″

Tell me, what do you make of Israels colonisation of the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem?

old hippy

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

You are in total denial.

Hamas has the same ideology as ISIS, Al-Qaida, the Taliban, Boko Haram and many other Islamic terrorist groups - a global Caliphate.

I am pro-democracy, pro-free speech, pro-gay rights, pro-women's rights, pro-human rights and would consider myself a left wing liberal.

Political Islam represents a threat to our entire civilization.

I think you're a sham who has a fixation on Islam

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=91263624

Azwaldo55

Nodin wrote: »

Tell me, what do you make of Israels colonisation of the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem?

I don't agree with it.

That does not mean I deny the reality of Palestinian political and religious lunacy which has led directly to the situation today.

During the Second World War the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem openly supported the Nazis, until the day he died Yasser Arafat was an ultra extremist Arab nationalist who spouted Jew hatred and screamed for the destruction of Israel and today Hamas a fanatical Islamist outfit are continuing the same tradition of blind hatred of Jews and Israel.

old hippy

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

I don't agree with it.

That does not mean I deny the reality of Palestinian political and religious lunacy which has led directly to the situation today.

During the Second World War the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem openly supported the Nazis, until the day he died Yasser Arafat was an ultra extremist Arab nationalist who spouted Jew hatred and screamed for the destruction of Israel and today Hamas a fanatical Islamist outfit are continuing the same tradition of blind hatred of Jews and Israel.

This is the same Yasser Arafat who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994?

Nodin

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

I don't agree with it.

That does not mean I deny the reality of Palestinian political and religious lunacy which has led directly to the situation today................

Yeah, when I was younger it used be because they were "socialists". Sometimes even still its just because they're "Arab". But while the excuses change the settlement building goes on and on.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

During the Second World War the Grand Mufti ...............

Ahh, 'Argumentum ad Mufti'. That's a classic. Ye know the Brits fixed the result to give him the job? True story. Ye can look it up.

Did you also know there was a Jewish group that tried to co-operate with the Nazis? Yet somehow decades later nobody has the brainwave to dig that up and start throwing it at the debate.

Seeing as Hamas are a reaction to Fatah corruption and Israeli occupation, don't you think its a bit simplistic to be going on about the "mufti" as some sort of justification for anti-Palestinian bile.

davmol

old hippy wrote: »

This is the same Yasser Arafat who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994?

The same Arafat that was reportedly posioned by Israel,the same Israel that carries out assassinations in foreigh land ie Dubai where they killed a supposed hamas militant.Again,showing the lack of disregard israel has for any international law,for life and for justice and a fair trial.

wes

I Heart Internet wrote: »

There are. Hamas' allies in many other parts of the middle east are doing an excellent job of eradicating them at the moment though.

Which allies with that be?

davmol

old_aussie wrote: »

Ya never owned it in the first place!

Figure of speech,its used when getting your point across.

and speaking of land,remember ozzies are descendants or irish and british criminals who were 'dumped' in oz,so your land,the prison, isnt even your own indigenous land but we know what happened there.Brush the aborigines to the sidelines and create a white only Australia.

Azwaldo55

old hippy wrote: »

This is the same Yasser Arafat who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994?

Yes.

After the Nobel Prize, Arafat , an unrepentant murderer and terrorist Jew hater, directed the activities of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a sub-group of the Fatah movement of the PLO, who took part in gun attacks and suicide bombings against Jewish Israelis.

Nodin

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Yes.

After the Nobel Prize, Arafat , an unrepentant murderer and terrorist Jew hater, directed the activities of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a sub-group of the Fatah movement of the PLO, who took part in gun attacks and suicide bombings against Jewish Israelis.

You do realise they are resisting being colonised?

You might be as good as to get back to me on this.....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91271205&postcount=493

I Heart Internet

wes wrote: »

Which allies with that be?

ISIS and like-minded groups with funding from Saudi Arabia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Christians

Azwaldo55

Nodin wrote: »

Yeah, when I was younger it used be because they were "socialists". Sometimes even still its just because they're "Arab". But while the excuses change the settlement building goes on and on.

Opposition to the settlements does not justify or excuse the Palestinian dream of slaughtering the Jews and destroying Israel.

Ahh, 'Argumentum ad Mufti'. That's a classic. Ye know the Brits fixed the result to give him the job? True story. Ye can look it up.

The British administration in the British Mandate was notoriously anti-semitic and indeed former Black and Tans fought the Jewish freedom fighters before the founding of Israel.

Did you also know there was a Jewish group that tried to co-operate with the Nazis? Yet somehow decades later nobody has the brainwave to dig that up and start throwing it at the debate.

Eichmann met with Jewish leaders to discuss the possibility of Palestine becoming a refuge for millions of Eastern European Jews. The idea from the Jewish side was to save the lives of Jews and during and after the Second World War European Jews came in a flood as Eichmann and his goons began murdering Jews wholesale. Jews who co-operated with the Nazis in helping to administer the ghettos or police the death camps were misguided and terrified human beings who struggled to save themselves and save as many of their people as they could.

Seeing as Hamas are a reaction to Fatah corruption and Israeli occupation, don't you think its a bit simplistic to be going on about the "mufti" as some sort of justification for anti-Palestinian bile.

I brought up the past because Hamas are just the latest incarnation of the pathological fanaticism of the Palestinians.

They could have had their own state long ago but instead have chosen war and thrown away again and again the chance of peace.

There could be peace tomorrow if the rockets stop and Palestinians abandon their lunatic political and religious stances.

Azwaldo55

Nodin wrote: »

You do realise they are resisting being colonised?

You might be as good as to get back to me on this.....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91271205&postcount=493

Resistance to colonization does not justify the discriminate murder of innocent Jewish men women and children.
The Palestinians glory in sectarian hatred and murder.
There can be no negotiation with them until they abandon their fanaticism.

Anyone who is naive and ill informed can be excused when they are fooled by anti-Israeli propaganda.

But anyone who knows full well what the Palestinians are really about and supports them regardless can only be an anti-semite.

old hippy

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

There could be peace tomorrow if the rockets stop and Palestinians abandon their lunatic political and religious stances.

Or:

There could be peace if Israel returned the stolen lands and stopped treating the Palestinians as less than human.

Which is kind of what you're doing, with your enraged extremist rhetoric.

Nodin

I Heart Internet wrote: »

ISIS and like-minded groups with funding from Saudi Arabia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Christians

Hamas and ISIS are linked? You've proof of this?

wes

I Heart Internet wrote: »

ISIS and like-minded groups with funding from Saudi Arabia.

Since when have ISIS been allies of Hamas? In fact when has ISIS been anyone allies, seeing as they have attacked other Islamist groups, and were disowned by Al Qaeda of all people as being too extreme. Seems to me that you are being less than truthful with your claims of ISIS being allies of Hamas, and that it is fact an entirely fictional claim.

Azwaldo55

old hippy wrote: »

Or:

There could be peace if Israel returned the stolen lands and stopped treating the Palestinians as less than human.

Which is kind of what you're doing, with your enraged extremist rhetoric.

The Israelis withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and then the Hamas rocket fire began.

Hamas are not interested in a two state solution or indeed any solution that falls short of their goal - the destruction of Israel and the murder of all the Jews in Israel and worldwide.

Supporting Israel and opposing the blind extremism and terrorism of Hamas is the only moral thing to do.

Your blind hatred of Israel is quite palpable.

Nodin

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Opposition to the settlements does not justify or excuse the Palestinian dream of slaughtering the Jews and destroying Israel..

Who says its the "Palestinian dream"?

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The British administration in the British Mandate was notoriously anti-semitic and indeed former Black and Tans fought the Jewish freedom fighters before the founding of Israel..

Yet you use their candidate, the mufti, to castigate Palestinians? Not very logical.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Eichmann met with (............)could...

Not what I was referring to.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

I brought up the past because Hamas are just the latest incarnation of the pathological fanaticism of the Palestinians....

Again, these silly flights of hysterical hyperbole. They do your case no good, you know.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

They could have had their own state long ago but instead have chosen war and thrown away again and again the chance of peace.

There could be peace tomorrow if the rockets stop and Palestinians abandon their lunatic political and religious stances.

Really? And in what fantasy universe did that occur?

Please explain to me why the almost entirely peaceful West Bank is still being colonised. What is the "lunatic political" stance?

Azwaldo55

Nodin wrote: »

Hamas and ISIS are linked? You've proof of this?

ISIS and Hamas share the same ideology - Islamic extremism - and the same global goals - the destruction of Israel and the murder of the Jews and forced conversion of all infidels.

davmol

They could have had their own state long ago but instead have chosen war and thrown away again and again the chance of peace.

There could be peace tomorrow if the rockets stop and Palestinians abandon their lunatic political and religious stances.[/QUOTE]

How can they have their own state when a prerequisite to negotiations would be for Israel to stop all ILLEGAL settlements and Israel continue to authorise illegal settlements and land grab palestinian territory,this basically says to the palestinians,come and negotiate but meanwhile we will take your land and you can do nothing about it.

Also,how can they prosper if they are trapped by land ,air and sea and cannot have the basic necessities to start a business and import/export??

Tony EH

humanji wrote: »

Let's not pretend here. The elements of Palestine who are firing on Israel want to kill everyone in Israel. The elements of Israel who are firing on Palestine want to kill everyone in Palestine.

Neither of those groups are the good guys weeping over every innocent life lost.

The reasons for this conflict are no longer important. Those who hate, want the opposition dead. Simple as that. And they're both going to continue until one side is gone.

The reasons for the conflict are still ongoing.

Israel still builds on illegal settlements. They still bulldoze Palestinian homes and cultural buildings in an effort to wipe out their history and they are still corralling over a million people in the largest concentration camp on the planet, who are subject to appalling deprivation and hardship.

Contrary to your statement, the reasons for the conflict are absolutely of central import to the conflict.

OneEightSeven

wes wrote: »

Really, so ALL Palestinians want to kill the Jews. Simple minded racist nonsense.

Oh, look, a left-winger using the word racism out of context. What a rare sight indeed!

Azwaldo55

davmol wrote: »

How can they have their own state when a prerequisite to negotiations would be for Israel to stop all ILLEGAL settlements and Israel continue to authorise illegal settlements and land grab palestinian territory,this basically says to the palestinians,come and negotiate but meanwhile we will take your land and you can do nothing about it.

Unrelenting Palestinian terrorism has eroded any patience or sympathy they might still have had among Israelis.

Anyway the territory was historically Jewish and part of Ancient Israel. The Arabs came as conquerors in the 7th century.

If a two-state solution is not possible then the solution would be for Arab nations to take in the remainder of the Palestinians and allow the Israelis to use the natural barrier of the Jordan valley as their bulwark against any future attempts by Arabs to invade Israel.

Also,how can they prosper if they are trapped by land ,air and sea and cannot have the basic necessities to start a business and import/export??

Why should Israel open their border with a territory that is attacking them?

The Gazans have Egypt next door to trade with. Maybe they could spend their money on goods rather than weapons like the rockets they are firing at Israel?