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end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

It is becoming more and more obvious as time goes on that the conflict is complete intractable - based on religion, politics, land and ethnicity but primarily upon religion.

The one state solution (Arab, Jews, Christians, Samaritans, Druze, Muslims etc sharing the region) is a non runner. The Muslims would simply start persecuting and slaughtering Jews, Christians, Samaritans and Druze when they gained political power and did away with democracy and established Sharia Law.

The two state solution is also a non-runner. Were the Israelis to withdraw to the 1967 borders there is no question that the West Bank would become a launch site for rockets and missiles and daily life would become impossible. Arab nations would join in and Israel would be destroyed.

So only two solutions remain - 1) remove all the Jews and give them territory in another part of the world where they can start again or 2) Arab Muslims should be taken in by neighboring nations and Israel can build a defensive line on the natural barrier of the Jordan Valley.

In the case of solution 1) Israel obviously has nuclear weapons and one of the most sophisticated and effective armies in the entire world with the support of the United States so obviously it is a non-runner.

The only other option available therefore is for Palestinian Arab Muslims who hate Israel to be removed from the West Bank and Gaza. They obviously hate Israel, they hate Jews and the hate living there so why not remove them and let them live in Muslim states far away from Jews?

Naturally this would involve considerable bloodshed but the alternative is an endless war between Israel and Palestine.

The fanatical and idiotic fanaticism of the Palestinians is the root cause of the conflict. There blind refusal to accept the existence of the State of Israel and there absurd genocidal dream of killing all the Jews has led to this impasse.

I cannot think of any other practical outcome except to give all of the territory between the sea and the Jordan to Israel and let the Palestinian Arab Muslims set up home elsewhere.

or, the arabs should stay where they are and the US should grow a pair and tell israel to wind it in or else

The Aussie

dj jarvis wrote: »

it was so much of a fiasco , that years after it ended , people STILL talk laugh about it - reminding people about the 99%.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/12/occupy-wall-street-activists-15m-personal-debt
So Aussie , how many indebted people have you freed from financial slavery today ? let me guess how many :rolleyes:

Going off topic but...

I did not take out stupid loans, why should I dig out a gambler? Their risk, their loss (and I don't care about Bond Holders :rolleyes:, the Government I voted for claimed they were going to "Burn" them, I will get the chance to repay that lie.)

dj jarvis wrote: »

Fiasco ? Fiasco , only fiasco going on here is the true nut cases trying to justify Israel bombing 40+ kids in 6 days

NO JUSTIFICATION - Animals !!!
and if it was the other way around , i would be backing Israel ,
Killing women and children is wrong , no matter who or why its been done

And their is NO JUSTIFICATION for hoping for Israeli deaths either and saying any Human Being is "fair game" or hoping a Rocket would land in the middle of a crowd... Only a fairly low nut case type of Animal would wish for any of those things to happen.

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Israel has nukes and the support of the U.S. So the Jews aren't going anywhere. End of.

The Palestinians don't want peace and they insist on attacking Israel and getting their backsides kicked.

Best thing for the Palestinian Arab Muslims who don't want to live next to Jews is to let them live in a region that is Jew free.

If Israel had no nukes and no American support the obvious solution would be remove the Jews to Arizona or Canada or Australia or someplace where they can start again and build a new Temple but since they have lots of guns and nukes that is not going to happen.

america could destroy israel if they really wanted to, they could easily disable the israely military and weaponry and then allow the population to move to somewhere where they would be welcome

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Ok then how about Hamas stop the rockets and stop giving Israel an excuse to shut down the discussion about settlements, water, territory, the Temple Mount, Jerusalem, borders and all the other issues?

Hamas screams Allahu Akbar and Death to Jews and gets its ass kicked again and again and again.

If Israelis are convinced Hamas and the Palestinians want no peace except the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of the Jews then what incentive is there for Israel to stop settlements?

Stop attacking Israel and stop the Jew hatred and other possibilities can open up.

The blank cheque given to Israel by their excusers in Europe and America and worldwide has to stop.

again, israel bombing gaza has nothing to do with rockets

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

So you support terrorism and mass murder of Jews then? I get it.

you certainly do

Azwaldo55

end of the road wrote: »

wrong

Wrong how? ISIS and Hamas are both Islamic extremists, ISIS and Hamas both want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews worldwide, ISIS and Hamas want to establish an austere Islamic Caliphate and they want to behead infidels, stone adulterers, amputate the limbs of thieves and destroy modern civilization.

You are in complete denial of the facts which stare you in the face.

Both organisations have made their intentions utterly explicit in word and in deed.

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Israel has nukes and American support. Water is wet too.

So the Palestinians have three options - accept the state of Israel and accept the two state solution provided they live in peace or hunker down and live in poverty and squalor while they get their asses handed to them again and again and again or else just get out if they hate Jews so much and go live somewhere else.

they were there before israel existed, so they aren't going anywhere

Nodin

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Wrong how? ISIS and Hamas are both Islamic extremists, ISIS and Hamas both want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews worldwide, ISIS and Hamas want to establish an austere Islamic Caliphate and they want to behead infidels, stone adulterers, amputate the limbs of thieves and destroy modern civilization.

You are in complete denial of the facts which stare you in the face.

Could you give one example of Hamas beheading anyone?

Did you read these two links?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0509003653.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...esearchers.php

Azwaldo55

end of the road wrote: »

they were there before israel existed, so they aren't going anywhere

The Arabs arrived in the region in the 7th century when Muhammad stormed out of the Arab peninsula with his army and burned, raped, enslaved, pillaged and beheaded their way through the crumbling Byzantine and Persian empires slaughtering Jew, Christian, Zoroastrian and Manichean alike.

The Jews have lived in Israel for thousands of years.

You really have to hit the history books.

Nodin

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The Arabs arrived in the region in the 7th century when Muhammad stormed out of the Arab peninsula with his army and burned, raped, enslaved, pillaged and beheaded their way through the crumbling Byzantine and Persian empires slaughtering Jew, Christian, Zoroastrian and Manichean alike.

The Jews have lived in Israel for thousands of years.

You really have to hit the history books.

That's false simplistic nonsense. Did you read these two links?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0509003653.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...esearchers.php

Could you give one example of Hamas beheading anyone?

srsly78

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The Arabs arrived in the region in the 7th century when Muhammad stormed out of the Arab peninsula with his army and burned, raped, enslaved, pillaged and beheaded their way through the crumbling Byzantine and Persian empires slaughtering Jew, Christian, Zoroastrian and Manichean alike.

The Jews have lived in Israel for thousands of years.

You really have to hit the history books.

So wrong... Arabs are defined by language and culture, not by genetics. As the other poster pointed out, all the middle eastern people are genetically similar.

end of the road

QUOTE=Azwaldo55;91275174]You are in complete denial of the facts which stare you in the face.[/QUOTE]

no, i'm not

dj jarvis

The Aussie wrote: »

Going off topic but...

I did not take out stupid loans, why should I dig out a gambler? Their risk, their loss (and I don't care about Bond Holders :rolleyes:, the Government I voted for claimed they were going to "Burn" them, I will get the chance to repay that lie.)



And their is NO JUSTIFICATION for hoping for Israeli deaths either and saying any Human Being is "fair game" or hoping a Rocket would land in the middle of a crowd... Only a fairly low nut case type of Animal would wish for any of those things to happen.

where the funk did i imply or say that , stump up or shut up

thebannerboy

srsly78 wrote: »

So wrong... Arabs are defined by language and culture, not by genetics. As the other poster pointed out, all the middle eastern people are genetically similar.

Judaism is far older than Islam. Whoever was there first had the right to it. That was the Land of Israel. King Cyrus even mentioned it when he liberated the Jews in 530bc from the Babylonian's. Israel changed hands throughout the centuries so had no fixed owner then. Now the Jews want back what was once theres.

England took over Ireland for 800 years. Do people not think we should be English since they owned Ireland for 800 years. Or should it belong to the Irish who once owned it but lost it by force. Its the very same thing.

Rightwing

At the end of the day, no one gives a sh!t about these arabs. That's the unfortunate reality. Law of the Jungle out there.

thebannerboy

end of the road wrote: »

they were there before israel existed, so they aren't going anywhere

Ah but the Jews were there before them!!

darkpagandeath

thebannerboy wrote: »

Ah but the Jews were there before them!!

Pointless argument as there will have been people there before them and before them and before them. So on so forth

urabell

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsgh_etCUAANfQG.jpg

Rightwing

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Pointless argument as there will have been people there before them and before them and before them. So on so forth

Indeed. What we know is that Israel wants to clean the world of arabs in that region. Arabs would do the same if they were in a position to do it.

dj jarvis

urabell wrote: »

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsgh_etCUAANfQG.jpg

yea yea , two can play at this game

the figures on my link are truly shocking

http://euromid.org/uploads/2014/infographic/Day_6_en.jpg

urabell

dj jarvis wrote: »

yea yea , two can play at this game

the figures on my link are truly shocking

http://euromid.org/uploads/2014/infographic/Day_6_en.jpg

Sorry more Israeli's aren't dying to court public opinion, the IDF is effectively protecting it's civilian population and doing so shouldn't be a slight on Israel.

mad muffin

Rightwing wrote: »

At the end of the day, no one gives a sh!t about these arabs. That's the unfortunate reality. Law of the Jungle out there.

So true. Not even the other Arab countries care about the Palestinians. They don't even consider them Arab.

They just use them as a scape goat. Shouting. Look at what the Izrailiz are doing to our brothers. Kill the Izrailiz!

dj jarvis

urabell wrote: »

Sorry more Israeli's aren't dying to court public opinion, the IDF is effectively protecting it's civilian population and doing so shouldn't be a slight on Israel.

thats sad

so the Palestinian children are dying to court public opinion,
Killing Palestinian children does not make the state of Israel any safer , in fact , its making it a lot more dangerous.

you know most people will agree Israel can and will defend itself , but what it does , again and again , is over kill

its not just me , most of the civilized world is shocked at the level of violence
they do themselves no favors - its REAL hard to find sympathy for their current situation

Rightwing

The palestines should dig for gold and oil and find some (or pretend to).

Suddenly the US leeches would move in and be on their side.

Grayson

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Pointless argument as there will have been people there before them and before them and before them. So on so forth

Palestinians consist of the decendants of everyone who ever lived on that land and stayed. There's jewish, roman, crusader, arab etc...
Jewson the other hand are the decendants of those who left. Those people also intermarried over the years and so carry a lot of germanic and slavic blood especially.

So basicly it's two ethnic groups, neither of which would be considered "pure" who are arguing over land and who owns it. Personally I'f be on the side of the people who live there now.

My surname is norman. If I tried to go to france and kick some frenchie out of his house because it was my ancestral home 1000 ears ago, I think I'd deserve the kicking I'd get.

wes

thebannerboy wrote: »

Judaism is far older than Islam. Whoever was there first had the right to it. That was the Land of Israel. King Cyrus even mentioned it when he liberated the Jews in 530bc from the Babylonian's. Israel changed hands throughout the centuries so had no fixed owner then. Now the Jews want back what was once theres.

Oh dear, that is some nonsense. The people who lived there changed there Religion to Christianity and then Islam, and inter-married after various groups invaded the place.

Changing Religion and inter-marrying doesn't mean you lose your home.

Also, there were people there before the Jews as well btw.

thebannerboy wrote: »

England took over Ireland for 800 years. Do people not think we should be English since they owned Ireland for 800 years. Or should it belong to the Irish who once owned it but lost it by force. Its the very same thing.

No, a more accurate example, would be thinking that Irish people should leave, as they changed from there old pagan beliefs to Christianity, and inter-married with invaders from time to time.

smurgen

was watching bbc news well ago and they done a piece on the 12 year old Palestinian boy whose family was wiped out two nights ago in an night bombing by israel.18 people in his family wiped out in their sleep. his father was a teacher in the local school http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/13/airstrike-kills-18-people-from-single-clan-stirs-debate-over-israel-choice/
seen another piece about one of the top doctors in gaza who's house was destroyed and he even went to work the next morning http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/gaza-home-destroyed-israel-shati and another piece about the chief of police in gaza narrowly avoided being killed in bed with his wife in their home by an airstrike at night http://www.timesofisrael.com/21-said-killed-in-strike-on-gaza-police-chiefs-house/ why in gods name is the idf bombing innocent people like this?These teachers,police officers and doctors are the pillars of society. how on each do you expect people not to react if you target these types of people?

obplayer

Originally Posted by Azwaldo55
They are quite explicit that they want to kill all the Jews and conquer the land between "the river and sea."

Yasser Arafat wore his head dress in the shape of the future Palestinian state and his aims were the same and those of Hamas today.

"We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land!"

This is what you are supporting when you support Palestinian "freedom."

The preamble of the Hamas Charter states:

″Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it″

end of the road wrote: »

stop making up things, nobody believes you

Perhaps you should read the Hamas Charter before you accuse people of making things up. Some quotes from the charter....


Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. (Hamas Charter, Article 28)

...the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to realize the promise of Allah, no matter how long it takes. The Prophet, Allah's prayer and peace be upon him, says: "The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews." (Hamas Charter, Article 7)

As for the goals, they are to fight falsehood, vanquish it and defeat it so that righteousness shall rule, the homeland shall return [to its rightful owner], and from the top of its mosques, the [Muslim] call for prayer will ring out announcing the rise of the rule of Islam, so that people and things shall all return to their proper place. (Hamas Charter, Article 9)

They were behind the French Revolution and the Communist Revolution and [they are behind] most of the revolutions about which we hear from time to time here and there. With money they have formed secret organizations, all over the world, in order to destroy [those countries'] societies and to serve the Zionists' interests, such as the Freemasons, the Rotary Clubs, the Lions, the Sons of the Covenant [i.e. B'nei B'rith], etc. All of these are organizations of espionage and sabotage. (Hamas Charter, Article 22)

There is no solution to the Palestinian Problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, options, and international conferences are a waste of time and a kind of child's play. (Hamas Charter, Article 13)

And some more recent quotes from Hamas representatives....

"Our goal is to liberate all of Palestine, from the river to the sea, from Rosh Hanikra to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat]. We do not want a state 364 square kilometers in size, nor do we want a state which we had to beg for at the negotiating table. Such a state will never come to be. What we want is a free state, which maintains its dignity, 27,000 square kilometers in size – the size of Palestine in its entirety."

(Hamas representative Osama Hamdan at press conference, Hamas Al Aqsa TV, Dec. 2008).



"The day will come, within several years, when this world will change, submitting to the Arab Islamic will, Allah willing."

(Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, Al Jazeera TV, October 12, 2008).



"The annihilation of the Jews here in Palestine is one of the most splendid blessings for Palestine. This will be followed by a greater blessing, Allah be praised, with the establishment of a Caliphate that will rule the land and will be pleasing to men and God."

(Hamas cleric Muhsen Abu 'Ita, Hamas Al-Aqsa TV, July 13, 2008).

Red Nissan

The Israelis are the fifth crusade, maybe sixth, we need to support them or we will be fighting in the streets and being bombed ourselves in another 20 ~ 30 years.

smurgen

Red Nissan wrote: »

The Israelis are the fifth crusade, maybe sixth, we need to support them or we will be fighting in the streets and being bombed ourselves in another 20 ~ 30 years.

just take the medication,you'll be fine