Gerry Conlon has died

Fratton Fred

OldRio wrote: »

It seems the usual suspects have derailed this thread because of their love of Britain.

The re writing of history still abounds I see. 'No blacks, no dogs no Irish' was not prevalent? I was living in England in the 60's and 70's and believe me that sentiment was very much in evidence. That racist element in some peoples thoughts impacted on myself and wider family.

RIP Gerry.

It was derailed by the usual republicans hijacking the death of someone for propaganda purposes to be honest, which is a shame.

But yes, indeed, RIP Gerry.

old hippy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Lol, that old chestnut.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11815001

Britain was once a byword for prejudice against Irish workers with the notorious "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" signs posted on B&B doors. Later, IRA bombings intensified anti-Irish feelings.

But things eventually changed for us. There's so many over here with Irish roots and now that the conflict and hatreds are over (apart from fringe extremists) it's better.

LorMal

Sound of Silence wrote: »

Do you feel that your experiences trump those of others?

As for the accusations of victimhood, you can speak for yourself. It seems as if there can be no discussion of Northern Ireland or the wider Troubles without some myopic poster crashing in and claiming that the entire conflict was born out of a victim mentality. All nonsense.

Your vast generalisations about the Irish people betray you as being just as bad as those you try in vain to argue against.

I did not claim any such thing. Get over yourelf. Argue the facts. Why were there thousands of us Irish over there in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s? Because this kip could not support us.
The IRA bombed, killed and maimed in London, Birmingham, Warrington and elsewhere - innocent men, woman, children. Thats a fact.

Where is the evidence for all the No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs? Proven to be a myth.

OldRio

LorMal wrote: »

Where is the evidence for all the No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs? Proven to be a myth.

See the posts above you. Also my own experiences.

LorMal

end of the road wrote: »

no it isn't, we have grown up

You will, of course, tell us of your personal experiences of anti-Irish bigotry?

LorMal

OldRio wrote: »

See the posts above you. Also my own experiences.

Anything specific? Anything I experienced or have read about (from unbiased resources) was pretty mild in comparison to what the IRA was wielding at the time?

Also, we Irish were pretty appalling to our own people at the time (witness the industrial schools, the rape of children by priests, the buried babies, the Magdelan laundries, Anne Lovett, the kneecappings of joy riders, the pillage and corruption of our politicians.....)

Really, we need to take responsilibity for ourselves, our behaviours, our history.

Always pointing the finger at the Brits. its all their fault....boo hoo

FTA69

LorMal wrote: »

Where is the evidence for all the No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs? Proven to be a myth.

Myth my ass. It's hilarious the way that some people on this forum try and portray anti-Irish sentiment in the UK as some sort of complete fantasy when it's a perfectly natural consequence of years of imperialism and felon-setting.

Similarly the only people to blame for Gerry Conlon's incarceration are the corrupt police and administration who put him jail; the same people who extracted a load of bogus confessions via torture. The IRA said numerous times they were innocent and those who actually carried out the actions said that as well.

The reason they weren't released was because of a wide-scale cover up by a system steeped in racism and general corruption. Nobody else is to blame.

OldRio

LorMal wrote: »

Anything specific? Anything I experienced or have read about (from unbiased resources) was pretty mild in comparison to what the IRA was wielding at the time?

Also, we Irish were pretty appalling to our own people at the time (witness the industrial schools, the rape of children by priests, the buried babies, the Magdelan laundries, Anne Lovett, the kneecappings of joy riders, the pillage and corruption of our politicians.....)

Really, we need to take responsilibity for ourselves, our behaviours, our history.

Always pointing the finger at the Brits. its all their fault....boo hoo

You do seem to have 'issues' and therefore I shall depart. I would advise professional help.

LorMal

FTA69 wrote: »

Myth my ass. It's hilarious the way that some people on this forum try and portray anti-Irish sentiment in the UK as some sort of complete fantasy when it's a perfectly natural consequence of years of imperialism and felon-setting.

Similarly the only people to blame for Gerry Conlon's incarceration are the corrupt police and administration who put him jail; the same people who extracted a load of bogus confessions via torture. The IRA said numerous times they were innocent and those who actually carried out the actions said that as well.

The reason they weren't released was because of a wide-scale cover up by a system steeped in racism and general corruption. Nobody else is to blame.

I agree with that.

LorMal

OldRio wrote: »

You do seem to have 'issues' and therefore I shall depart. I would advise professional help.

Being personally abusive to me really does not support your argument.

OldRio

LorMal wrote: »

Being personally abusive to me really does not support your argument.

Not been abusive. Giving you advice.

old hippy

http://www.ibtimes.com/anti-irish-hatred-yes-pockets-still-exist-britain-729873

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generationemigration/2012/07/17/return-of-anti-irish-racism-in-britain/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/irish-butt-of-english-racism-for-more-than-eight-centuries-1342976.html

LorMal

old hippy wrote: »

http://www.ibtimes.com/anti-irish-hatred-yes-pockets-still-exist-britain-729873

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generationemigration/2012/07/17/return-of-anti-irish-racism-in-britain/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/irish-butt-of-english-racism-for-more-than-eight-centuries-1342976.html

One bunch of fascists, one old eejit, some stuff from the 12th century.

LorMal

OldRio wrote: »

Not been abusive. Giving you advice.

Seriously, there is no need to be nasty to me. I have a valid point, as do you.

old hippy

LorMal wrote: »

One bunch of fascists, one old eejit, some stuff from the 12th century.

You missed out the end of that article where it says

1950s: "No Irish need apply" - lodging house notice.

FTA69

Unfortunately there are some people in the UK who still have a negative view of Irish people; whether that be over the recent conflict or else a patronising view of us as thick eejits with silly accents. Similarly there is a clear difference between banter in a friendly context and someone throwing in sly digs based on your nationality or accent.

LorMal

FTA69 wrote: »

Unfortunately there are some people in the UK who still have a negative view of Irish people; whether that be over the recent conflict or else a patronising view of us as thick eejits with silly accents. Similarly there is a clear difference between banter in a friendly context and someone throwing in sly digs based on your nationality or accent.

Agreed - fair enough

LorMal

old hippy wrote: »

You missed out the end of that article where it says

1950s: "No Irish need apply" - lodging house notice.

I know - there was a few such notices I'm sure. (Not the 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' myth though)

FTA69

LorMal wrote: »

I know - there was a few such notices I'm sure. (Not the 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' myth though)

http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/no-blacks-no-dogs-no-irish-era-recalled-at-global-irish-economic-forum-226440311-238256891.html

Numerous first hand accounts of them existing. They weren't universal but they weren't hugely uncommon either. It's far from a myth.

old hippy

LorMal wrote: »

I know - there was a few such notices I'm sure. (Not the 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' myth though)

It's not a myth.

http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/no-blacks-no-dogs-no-irish-era-recalled-at-global-irish-economic-forum-226440311-238256891.html

LorMal

old hippy wrote: »

It's not a myth.

http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/no-blacks-no-dogs-no-irish-era-recalled-at-global-irish-economic-forum-226440311-238256891.html

Quoting a mural from the Falls Road????

old hippy

LorMal wrote: »

Quoting a mural from the Falls Road????

Not reading the article?????

LorMal

old hippy wrote: »

Not reading the article?????

I read it. One woman recalling one notice from the 1950s and quoted on Irishcentral.com

Not convincing

Nodin

LorMal wrote: »

I did not claim any such thing. Get over yourelf. Argue the facts. Why were there thousands of us Irish over there in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s? Because this kip could not support us.
The IRA bombed, killed and maimed in London, Birmingham, Warrington and elsewhere - innocent men, woman, children. Thats a fact.

Where is the evidence for all the No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs? Proven to be a myth.

If you want to argue historical fact, I'm wondering why you're choosing this thread to do it?

LorMal

http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm

LorMal

Nodin wrote: »

If you want to argue historical fact, I'm wondering why you're choosing this thread to do it?

Yes - its disrespectful. You are right.
RIP Gerry Conlon.

Nodin

LorMal wrote: »

http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm

.....it might be better if you read it, before suggesting others do so.

FTA69

LorMal wrote: »

http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm

That has nothing to do with anti-Irish sentiment in England.

end of the road

LorMal wrote: »

Where is the evidence for all the No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs?

it exists, and it happened

LorMal wrote: »

Proven to be a myth.

wrong

end of the road

LorMal wrote: »

Quoting a mural from the Falls Road????

the signs existed, they were common, end of discussion