Season 4, Episode 8 - 'The Mountain and the Viper', HAVE NOT read the books

Dan_Solo

Dan_Solo wrote: »

But isn't it obviously a Tywin plot if it's not sent directly to Davos?

That's what he was trying to tell them

alchemist33

Should have fecking known when I saw Oberyn in The Mentalist last week...

Witcher

Dan_Solo wrote: »

But isn't it obviously a Tywin plot if it's not sent directly to Davos?

Davos? I presume you mean Jorah:p Well it doesn't prove his guilt directly but it helps explain a lot of past situations..him knowing the wine was poisoned etc. as she said.

Dan_Solo

Blay wrote: »

Davos? I presume you mean Jorah:p Well it doesn't prove his guilt directly but it helps explain a lot of past situations..him knowing the wine was poisoned etc. as she said.

Yeah, oops.
But he could just deny the whole thing. Why didn't he? No way it could've been anything but a set up if it wasn't addressed to him.

Dan_Solo

tricky D wrote: »

Mad, mad ending.

Ayra's last(ish, I suspect) laugh was good.

Nice to see Sansa starting to play the game more deeply.

Watch the back re the north.

Yeah, that was a bit instant that, wasn't it. Years of torment by the Lannisters at King's Landing with a whimper and bear it and then a few days at the Eyrie and she's suddenly the wicked witch of the north!

Degag

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Fight turned out as I'd guessed, both dead. Wasn't sure what this meant by the trial by combat rules though, so must be first dead is the guilty party.
The Mountain was a total f**king let down TBH. What a lummox. Can't see how The Hound didn't take him apart years ago.

The Mountain may not be dead yet. We don't know.

Dan_Solo

bmwguy wrote: »

I just watched the battle scene again. The viper just says over and over again "you raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children"

I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

Dan_Solo

Degag wrote: »

The Mountain may not be dead yet. We don't know.

Spear in the belly. You're talking 19th century tech at the minimum before anybody survives that.
Unless there's some magic about but this show is mostly magic free.

Billy86

Degag wrote: »

When has that ever been stated?

I think it's a fair point. For a more exaggerated example, if someone got badly injured or wounded then infected (I have an awful feeling about The Hounds neck in that sense by the way) while the other lies dead, the surely they won. Sometimes they might die weeks, days, hour later from their wounds, but they won the fight. Even if The Mountain died minutes, or just seconds, later from his injuries he would still technically have won the duel as he was (barely?) breathing while Oberon... had no head.

Froch/Groves foreshadowed this quite well I thought...

Syferus

The Hound is going to get fecked up by Brienne if he doubles back after hearing about Lysa's death.

wp_rathead

Few things running through my head as I try to come to grips with this episode:
Think fair to say we found a new Joffery-style hate figure in Ramsey Snow - the dude is flaying people left right and centre. While Roose Bolton is a twisted f**k in his own right - The North is rightly bollocksed if his new heir ever gets power..

They seem to be setting up Eyrie to fight the Bolton's - maybe Stannis and Eyrie will join but who knows..

I can handle zero Daenarys nude scenes if means more Missandie :pac:

I couldn't give two ****s about Sam and Gilly - they better have a major part in future storyline to have been given such big character screen time.. Killing a White Walker is about all they have contributed so far

Guessing next episode going to be the attack on Castle Black? This means 100,000 wildings. With Giants. I love Giants.

Also, I know Obeyrn said that "they don't hurt little girls in Dorne" but should Cersei not be a bit more worried about welfar of her daughter?

Dan_Solo

seligehgit wrote: »

Great finale but after the big build up to the trial by combat over several weeks the ending seemed very rushed.Tyrion and Jamie's exchange was the most long winded,pointless filler thus far.

I was 100% sure when they Jaime said to Tyrion "We'll have to wait a little longer" they were hinting the fight wouldn't be until next week!

connollys

MadYaker wrote: »

That was a great episode! Sad to see Oberyn go though, he was one of my favourites. Im guessing the mountain will die from his wounds meaning that Tyrion guilt is still unclear.

Anyone care to elaborate on the subtleties of Tyrions beetle speech? Was it just filler or was there a deeper meaning that went over my head?

My take on the beetles speech was an analogy of the gods and that it's pointless trying to figure out why what people/beetles get selected for death.

Hande hoche!

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I was 100% sure when they Jaime said to Tyrion "We'll have to wait a little longer" they were hinting the fight wouldn't be until next week!

Seriously thought that they were going to leave it til next week. Looking forward to next week's one.

fitz

connollys wrote: »

My take on the beetles speech was an analogy of the gods and that it's pointless trying to figure out why what people/beetles get selected for death.

This.
King Lear sprang to mind immediately..."As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods. They kill us for their sport."

Degag

Anyone care to hazard a guess as to the outcome up north? Can't see The Wall winning with only 100 men so is it the end for Jon and Sam etc?

degrassinoel

Degag wrote: »

Anyone care to hazard a guess as to the outcome up north? Can't see The Wall winning with only 100 men so is it the end for Jon and Sam etc?

Roose Bolton to the rescue?

Nobody else up that way besides the ironborn that could even hope to help them, unless jon snow has words with mance rayder and surrenders, or enlists all the wildlings heh

btw, trial by combat rules, do they say anything about when both combatants die? The mountain didn't look like he was getting up anytime soon after that

Degag

If this was spoilered because it's a book spoiler, should it be removed?

Zaph

Great episode, but I thought for a mummy's boy Robin got over the death of his mother rather quickly. I was looking forward to him annoying the sh*t out of Littlefinger because she was dead and as a result following her out of the Moon Door.

Timmyctc

Very good episode. Sad to say you could see it coming from the moment he was acting cocky before the fight. Nothing good ever really happens in the show so you can generally assume good wont triumph over evils.

Anachrony

degrassinoel wrote: »

btw, trial by combat rules, do they say anything about when both combatants die? The mountain didn't look like he was getting up anytime soon after that

Oberyn clearly died first though. The way Tywin immediately pronounced judgement would indicate that there was no need to wait and see if the Mountain survived after that.

Timmyctc

Anachrony wrote: »

Oberyn clearly died first though. The way Tywin immediately pronounced judgement would indicate that there was no need to wait and see if the Mountain survived after that.

But how can we be sure Oberyn actually died. No one took his pulse.

Da Shins Kelly

I really hope this isn't the last we see of Dorn and its people. Oberyn was an amazing character and their whole way of life sounds pretty awesome, from the way they described it. I'd like to see a bit more of them.

dloob

Dat' ending :eek:
There I was thinking, yes finally one for the good guys then the mountain was down.

I was amused by the burping ho' and her musical guessing game.
I often see complaints that there only seem to be two songs in westeros and sure enough only those two songs get mentioned.
I guess once rains of castermere was eliminated it couldn't be anything other than the bear and the maiden.

chasmcb

Holy moly what an ending. You would have thought Oberyn would have been the type to have a sneaky dagger stashed about his person as a back up weapon. Can't wait to see what happens next with Tyrion, he's gotta wriggle out of this jam somehow! (Crosses fingers)

Daenarys

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I really hope this isn't the last we see of Dorn and its people. Oberyn was an amazing character and their whole way of life sounds pretty awesome, from the way they described it. I'd like to see a bit more of them.

Same here, hope there's more of the Dornish. Really thought the Viper had it. Best episode this season IMO.......I probably shouldn't have watched it so late though...

thefa

Zaph wrote: »

Great episode, but I thought for a mummy's boy Robin got over the death of his mother rather quickly. I was looking forward to him annoying the sh*t out of Littlefinger because she was dead and as a result following her out of the Moon Door.

Being littlefinger, I suspect his idea of getting Robin to leave the nest is to put him in situations where he can be killed which I imagine would leave Baelish in charge.

thefa

wprathead wrote: »

Also, I know Obeyrn said that "they don't hurt little girls in Dorne" but should Cersei not be a bit more worried about welfar of her daughter?

I think the Martells won't be able to be too aggrieved since Oberyn volunteered for it, definitely not up to the point where they can hurt CerseI'd daughter.

I would have like to see Tywin's reaction to Oberyn being the champion for Tyrion even though Tywin had already promised the mountain to Oberyn so the relationship was going to be strained.

I think his death puts the Martells back in the fold as potential allies for Dany if she needs some in Westeros.

RichardoKhan

I often wondered what happened to Burt Reynolds..........thats a messy end for the Bandit.

kryogen

Though I said I expected The Mountain to kill Oberyn, I really wish I had been wrong, such a horrible way to go too

It was given away a fair bit with the arsing around and the comments between Oberyn and his missus and made plain obvious it was not going to end well when he pulled out the spear (which actually would have done more damage then leaving it in) and said he couldnt die yet

I actually wish I had not seen it you know. He was like a boss in the fight, he had him beat, I feel sickened now