Season 4 Episode 7 "Mockingbird": *HAVE* read the books

Turtyturd

joe123 wrote: »

Oh bloody hell of course.

Yeah it will definitely end with Tyrion killing Tywin and Shae.

Maybe they will have Brienne simply meet Cat, then drag out her hanging into next season to spice it up a bit?

Thinking about it they could tie the big Stoneheart reveal into Brienne's hanging.

Tom.D.BJJ

Turtyturd wrote: »

I also want to see Jon behead Alliser Thorne a lot more than Meryn Trant.

You mean Janos Slynnt, right?

Meryn Trant has been the unluckiest kingsguard ever. Four Hands and two Kings at last count have died on his watch. :pac:

OneOfThem Stumbled

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

The Mountain does look babyfaced but other than that I thought they absolutely nailed getting across this guy is a ****ing monster. Thought his only line was done well too, a very chilling moment.

Jesus they increased the Mountain's word average per season in one blow! From 0.25 words per season to 2!


2!

Rosy Posy

kksaints wrote: »

Maybe Littlefinger will blame Robin or something like that. Robin is more mentally unstable in the show than in the book where he was just childish and physically stunted.

I disagree, I find tv Robin more endearing and 'normal' than book Robin. In either media he's a little sh!t. Have they introduced his epilepsy in the TV show? I love the scene when they're descending from the Eyrie and he has a fit crossing the precipice, I'd love to see it enacted. One of the images that I loved from the snow Winterfell scene was Robin's dolls head being ripped off- a nice bit of foreshadowing IMO. I was sorry they left it out but the scene still flowed nicely, with Sansa finally fighting back albeit by slapping a child. LF is suitably creepy, the accent notwithstanding. I actually love the way they've captured the atmosphere of the Eyrie- cold and remote and full of mentalists.

Tyrion and the Viper stole the show. So sorry that Oberon will be bowing out next episode. I wonder will they actually show his head popping- one of the most graphic bits of violence from the book, or at least one that stayed with me.

I think it's within the realms of possibility that a non reader might guess that Oberon would poison the Mountain. It's already been mentioned after Joffery's death that he's an expert in poisons, and he wants to take the Mountain out by fair or foul means- no one alive stands much of a chance on an even playing field. He's made it clear that he wants him dead. Also it's not GoTs style to have the good triumph and Tyrion's already had his skin saved once in a trial by combat.

Turtyturd

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

You mean Janos Slynnt, right?

Meryn Trant has been the unluckiest kingsguard ever. Four Hands and two Kings at last count have died on his watch. :pac:

.

Yep mistake on my part. Trant was stuck in my head after The Hounds line to Arya a few weeks back.

Tigger

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

In every season so far, the HAVE NOT READ BOOKS threads are littered with "predictions".... It seems the Viper vs Mountain is no different.
Someone over there has "predicted" the Mountain wins the fight and kills Oberyn but will succumb to his injurys afterwards by poison.
I suppose its possible to guess, but I'm sceptic.

I went through a couple of posters post history's and they predicted that ned might die and said they were reading the books along with the show back as far as season one. I think its a really strange thing to do

Potatoeman

I think the first montain from season one was better and the first Daario too.

joe123

kksaints wrote: »

Maybe Littlefinger will blame Robin or something like that. Robin is more mentally unstable in the show than in the book where he was just childish and physically stunted.

Couldnt disagree more. Robin in the books was not right in the head. He had convulsions if anyone as much as touched him. He still breastfed and he kept wanting to sleep in Sansas bed. Didnt he also constantly piss his pants?

In the TV show hes more of a bold child.

Michael D Not Higgins

Tigger wrote: »

I went through a couple of posters post history's and they predicted that ned might die and said they were reading the books along with the show back as far as season one. I think its a really strange thing to do

If there are book readers, they are being careful about what they reveal to make it seem as if they are only pulling all the hints together from the show. There's a couple of them I'll be interested in what their next predictions are.

lynski

Thought all the tyrion scenes were excellent, they have used him so well: with jaime finally admitting his uselessness, bronns betrayal and his forgiveness and Oberyn's honor. Great set-ups. We have good ground work for the next few episodes. Cliff hanger time, we see the killings and tyrion disappear, but to where.
All the eyrie scenes! I had to keep my blanket over my mouth so the other half would not see me smiling while Sansa and Lysa were fighting, hehehe.
Was hoping the little ****e would have had a fit though.
I have a big soft spot for Brianne and Pod, Loved the hotpie scene, and again the set-up is sweet, i think we will see their story and LSH only from behind or something until the last minute.
Jon's discontent is being handled and the support he had from the men was obvious, everyone is afraid of thorne, but listening to jon, and the way the stannis trip so far is being set-up we are heading for a last minute gasp too - the freefolk arrive at the wall, all is nearly lost and suddenly knights appear.
I actually liked the milsandre (sp) scene, she is creepy and power hungry, the queen is calling her my lady and being subservient to her and she is loving it, it shows who is in charge and draws the queen in further to whatever plans.
I have to say i dont blame dany for a roll in the hay with the new dario, and the bit of male nudity was both very illustrating of her story, her power growing and welcome.
I do think new dario and new mountain make the whole face changers challenging, but maybe not.
Only thing i did not like was the mountain, in my head he is never without armour or helmet and it would have saved the whole 'who is he now?' bit of another new actor. He is too young and un-ravaged, and cersei's dialogue with him was stupid. maybe if he was in armour now it would make the future strong scenes too obvious ?
I did like how he is shown just slaughtering people and she just does not blink an eye, contrast with Dany's concern for the slaves and ultimately being humane with the masters.
Cracking set up for the last few episodes, though hate the break, but it bears re-watching just to be all clued in.

celica00

I didnt find that too bad with the mountain. I would also never know he is in his 20's if it wasnt for the thread were i read it.
I think its basically just a reminder (the scence) how strong he is.

I found it as well a bit weird that they didnt show any scene with Dany and Daario, maybe a bit of kissing or something, but nothing at all?

Ohhhhhh i cant wait now for the next episodes, is it 2 weeks waiting now or 2 weeks waiting after the next one?

Rosy Posy

lynski wrote: »

I had to keep my blanket over my mouth so the other half would not see me smiling while Sansa and Lysa were fighting, hehehe.

It's so hard not spoiling! My oh keeps discussing it/putting forward theories and I have to work to keep a poker face. I'm shyte at poker!

celica00

Rosy Posy wrote: »

It's so hard not spoiling! My oh keeps discussing it/putting forward theories and I have to work to keep a poker face. I'm shyte at poker!

haha id prefer that than having my OH not watching or reading it at all, whenever i wanna talk after an episode about it, he rolls his eyes ha

kksaints

joe123 wrote: »

Couldnt disagree more. Robin in the books was not right in the head. He had convulsions if anyone as much as touched him. He still breastfed and he kept wanting to sleep in Sansas bed. Didnt he also constantly piss his pants?

In the TV show hes more of a bold child.

Disagree with this. His obsession with the moon door was far more than him been childish. Its interesting that they havent showed any signs of an illness for him. Wasnt one of the main things about him in the books is that noone expected/expects him to live very long. Its one of the main reasons that Littlefinger sets up the marriage pact with the other man whos name I cant remember just now for Sansa.

Nerdlingr

He's definitely a psycho in the tv series, but he' more of a sick, weak, ailing psycho in the books!

RaidII

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

In every season so far, the HAVE NOT READ BOOKS threads are littered with "predictions".... It seems the Viper vs Mountain is no different.
Someone over there has "predicted" the Mountain wins the fight and kills Oberyn but will succumb to his injurys afterwards by poison.
I suppose its possible to guess, but I'm sceptic.

That same poster has also predicted the Hound and Arya changing course and heading for Braavos. I'd be highly skeptical also, they may not be book readers but I'd wager several have read up on the internet on things like the ASOIAF wiki. Odd time they'll get caught out by name changes between the show and books.

On the 'only Cat' thing, I don't see the big deal at all.

I also won't have a problem if they kill off the Hound, although I can see Arya hold Needle against his chest before turning around and leaving him to bleed out.

But this bringing back to life of every other character that dies just cheapens the whole thing. By the time Jon got stabbed I was just thinking meh, he's probably not really dead.

ArmaniJeanss

Robin not being sick so unlikely to die soon means that they'll maybe just skip the whole complicated Harry The Heir plot that LF comes up with (and which I struggle to actually follow myself ) and simplify it to an Alayne/Robin marriage being the key to gaining control of the North and the Vale.

Daith

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Robin not being sick so unlikely to die soon means that they'll maybe just skip the whole complicated Harry The Heir plot that LF comes up with (and which I struggle to actually follow myself ) and simplify it to an Alayne/Robin marriage being the key to gaining control of the North and the Vale.

Agreed. The show just wouldn't be able to afford all the people in the books. Though no doubt there's some theory that Harry is the 3rd head of the dragon.

GerB40

Daith wrote: »

Agreed. The show just wouldn't be able to afford all the people in the books. Though no doubt there's some theory that Harry is the 3rd head of the dragon.

Harry the heir? More like Harry the Targaryen amirite???

Daith

GerB40 wrote: »

Harry the heir? More like Harry the Targaryen amirite???

Yep and when he marries Sansa then their wedding will be a song of ice and fire.

Burt Macklin

The best thing to do with these potential spoilers is to ignore them. I post in the non-readers thread from time to time but I try not to lend credibility to any theories to avoid spoilers.

PopePalpatine

Nerdlingr wrote: »

He's definitely a psycho in the tv series, but he' more of a sick, weak, ailing psycho in the books!

I thought for a second that in the books he was some sort of sickly medieval Eric Cartman, and then I realised it's Lysa who's the fat one. I kept picturing her as the stereotypical "fat lady" in an opera. :pac:

Just rewatched the episode - "I will be your champion", it put the Horn of Gondor on me once again. What a scene, top shelf acting from Pascal and Dinklage.

Tom.D.BJJ

stankratz wrote: »

Horn of Gondor .

Quoted for epicness

poundapunnet

Am I the only one who feels like they're over-emphasising the "Cersei's an absolute unredeemed c*unt" thing a bit? I realise she's never the warmest and fuzziest of characters even in her POV's but seriously. Her being the one that rejected Jaime, Jaime and Tyrion having those quite touching scenes together, Oberyn showing up and going "guess what, she was a c*nt as a kid too! Jaime was alright though." And then even when they move into show-don't-tell, they show-don't-tell her sidling up to the Mountain and going "oh, you're slaughtering defenceless prisoners, jolly good!". It even seems like there's a callback to Tyrion's line about her "one redeeming feature" when Oberyn says she was trying to conceal her true motives (revenge against Tyrion) with a show of concern for her daughter.

Cersei actually has what passes for reasonable justification for all her rottenness in the context of the storyworld, and it seems like the show-runners actually fcuking HATE her.

Re: the Melisandre scene, I thought it fit in fairly nicely with a broader theme of facing unpleasant truths. The peasant man has to face the nothingness of death, Tyrion has to come to terms with Bronn's very good reasons for not fighting the Mountain (and by implication his own probable death), Dany has to face up to realities of ruling, etc. At first I was a bit peeved that some male nudity was IMMEDIATELY counteracted by completely gratuitous female nudity, but then I remembered what show I was watching and also that seeing Carice Van Houten in the bath is a very good problem to have. (Damn, girl)

Oafley Jones

Gbear wrote: »

I'd say my biggest problem with this episode was the Mountain.

The fury didn't seem genuine enough. Conan Stevens looked like a ferocious lunatic. The Icelandic fella was big enough, certainly, and shouted a bit but I didn't buy it.

Didn't really get the setting either. I presume they were criminals being executed but it was clumsily handled.

I feel like they could've fixed being too young with makeup and dyeing his hair black with a bit of grey. Or not bothered having him kill fellas and instead showing him arriving into King's Landing decked out in his armour.

He's at least 15 years too young for the role. Also looks like someone you'd find on Venice beach. Conan Stevens had the perfect weather beaten wild man look for the role.

rawn

Agree with what people say about the Mountain. He should be battered and battle scarred, he looks like a WWF wrestler not a knight!

username123

Oafley Jones wrote: »

He's at least 15 years too young for the role. Also looks like he's someone you'd find on Venice beach. Conan Stevens had the perfect weather beaten wild man look for the role.

I was surprised they didn't age him more. Even more hair/beard would have hidden his features somewhat.

Apparently one of the benefits of using this guy is that although he is huge he moves fast and is athletic, (well he is only in his 20s), so he will give a better show in the fight scene than an older actor who wouldn't be as nimble.

Kunkka

Oafley Jones wrote: »

He's at least 15 years too young for the role. Also looks like someone you'd find on Venice beach. Conan Stevens had the perfect weather beaten wild man look for the role.

Should have got this guy with hair!

joe123

kksaints wrote: »

Disagree with this. His obsession with the moon door was far more than him been childish. Its interesting that they havent showed any signs of an illness for him. Wasnt one of the main things about him in the books is that noone expected/expects him to live very long. Its one of the main reasons that Littlefinger sets up the marriage pact with the other man whos name I cant remember just now for Sansa.

In the books he is a frail child and mentally he is weak along with quite insane. Have a read through the chapters with him again. Youl find he is crazy and I am almost sure he was obsessed with throwing people down the moon door too.

Book Robin is far worse than the TV version.