Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

OlaChica

The full article is here http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-teen-locked-up-in-egypt-jail-fears-execution-30158991.html

How is that not all over the news? And why is our government doing so little to help? I know we are a tiny country but surely there is SOMETHING that we could do to persaude Egypt to release this poor young man. Even a boycott on tourism or something similar.

Absolutely disgraceful and my heart goes out to this poor young lad.

whirlpool

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Some governments should just be bombed and be done with them once and for all.

What an evil, evil group of monsters.

nokia69

maybe he should have stayed at "home" in ireland and none of this would have happened

I wonder why he went to egypt in the first place

I googled his fathers name he seems to have some interesting friends

nokia69

whirlpool wrote: »

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Some governments should just be bombed and be done with them once and for all.

What an evil, evil group of monsters.

do you mean the military govenment, yeah they could be called monsters but as bad as they are the islamists are far worse

theKillerBite

They flew over and looked for trouble. No sympathy for them.

Galwayguy35

They went over and got involved in the protests over there, why didn't they just stay out of it and nothing would have happened.

Nino Brown

As usual, there's more to this story than we're being told. Why do police never actually catch people involved in riots? Isn't it unfortunate that they only ever manage to arrest/assault innocent bystanders who were just minding their own business?
I have no sympathy for people who go to these countries, and break the law, then complain when they get sent to prison. If you don't like a foreign country's laws, don't go, the laws if not widely known are easy to find.

Merkin

A typically well thought out and well researched article from the Indo I see.:rolleyes: He and his sisters went over to take part in violent demonstrations and marches which has been conveniently omitted from the story. But hey, since when had the truth ever gotten in the way of a good story?

CptMackey

Why did they go to Egypt in the first place? They then just happened to be in the wrong place?

Bit strange really

old_aussie

I wonder if they found the snackbar

brimal

nokia69 wrote: »

I googled his fathers name he seems to have some interesting friends

Interesting indeed.

His father is Hussein Halawa, imam of Clonskeagh mosque.

He has close ties with Yusuf al-Qaradawi which is worrying.

bitemybanger

When a riot breaks out the police don't look to arrest just anybody involved, they target individuals or an individual group of "ring leaders". Thats all ill say..

up for anything

He is an Irish citizen and was only 17 when arrested. I'd have expected this country to be going all out to get him back regardless of the rights and wrongs of what he was involved in. Get him back first, ask questions later. If you can't rely on your own country when the **** hits the fan it's a poor look out. He wasn't arrested with a kilo of heroine at the airport. What they were allegedly mixed up in was poor judgement but most people with dual heritage would understand the desire to make some show of support.

ETA: One page in on this thread and a jury of his peers have already found him guilty based on on newspaper reports.

2nd Row Donkey

FYI the Irish foreign affairs office has had a 'no fly advice' for all parts of Egypt except Sharm for months now and recently (3-4 weeks ago) upgraded the status to ALL of Egypt incl Sharm el shiek ... Resulting in the cancelation of my holiday (booo!), but anyway they've been advising against all non essential travel for ages nownd if you did out against their advise then your on your own.

old_aussie

up for anything wrote: »

He is an Irish citizen and was only 17 when arrested. I'd have expected this country to be going all out to get him back regardless of the rights and wrongs.

Maybe Ireland don't want him back and if they ignore the plight of this citizen, then the problem might just go away.

nokia69

up for anything wrote: »

He is an Irish citizen and was only 17 when arrested. I'd have expected this country to be going all out to get him back regardless of the rights and wrongs of what he was involved in. Get him back first, ask questions later. If you can't rely on your own country when the **** hits the fan it's a poor look out. He wasn't arrested with a kilo of heroine at the airport. What they were allegedly mixed up in was poor judgement but most people with dual heritage would understand the desire to make some show of support.

ETA: One page in on this thread and a jury of his peers have already found him guilty based on on newspaper reports.

but he was making a show of support for the muslim brotherhood

thats far worse than importing drugs

he only wants to be irish when it suits him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre

thats the type of thing islamists get up to in egypt

Citizen2011

Apparently they went over on holidays.
Why didn't they go to Magaluff like normal teenagers.

up for anything

old_aussie wrote: »

Maybe Ireland don't want him back and if they ignore the plight of this citizen, then the problem might just go away.

The old sweep it under the carpet strategy. It's worked so well for successive governments in this country that it's become the bed rock of any political party's policy.

nokia69 wrote: »

but he was making a show of support for the muslim brotherhood

thats far worse than importing drugs

he only wants to be irish when it suits him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre

thats the type of thing islamists get up to in egypt

Islamists? One big umbrella term for millions of people with differing attitudes to Islam. How do you know how he feels about being Irish?

nokia69

up for anything wrote: »

Islamists? One big umbrella term for millions of people with differing attitudes to Islam. How do you know how he feels about being Irish?

not all muslims are islamists but the muslim brotherhood most certainly are

since he was at a march in support of the muslim brotherhood, this would suggest the he himself is an islamist, if thats the case then I hope he never returns to Ireland

I don't care how he feels about Ireland or about being "Irish"

theKillerBite

up for anything wrote: »

The old sweep it under the carpet strategy. It's worked so well for successive governments in this country that it's become the bed rock of any political party's policy.



Islamists? One big umbrella term for millions of people with differing attitudes to Islam. How do you know how he feels about being Irish?

He flew over there to take part in the Muslim Brotherhoods "Day of Rage" which led to over 170 deaths including beheadings.

Sunglasses Ron

OlaChica wrote: »

The full article is here http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-teen-locked-up-in-egypt-jail-fears-execution-30158991.html

How is that not all over the news? And why is our government doing so little to help? I know we are a tiny country but surely there is SOMETHING that we could do to persaude Egypt to release this poor young man.

Poor young man? He was in a foreign country supporting Al Qaeda linked extremists. His father seems a highly questionable character to boot.

crazygeryy

I heard he was wearing a Dublin jersey and waving a hurley in the air and he got arrested. Obviously not the case.

Flippyfloppy

OlaChica wrote: »

The full article is here http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-teen-locked-up-in-egypt-jail-fears-execution-30158991.html

How is that not all over the news? And why is our government doing so little to help? I know we are a tiny country but surely there is SOMETHING that we could do to persaude Egypt to release this poor young man. Even a boycott on tourism or something similar.

Absolutely disgraceful and my heart goes out to this poor young lad.

It was all over the news last year until the sisters got released.

Uriel.

Suits me fine if he never returns to Ireland. We've had enough ****e in this country without inviting more grief.

2nd Row Donkey

crazygeryy wrote: »

I heard he was wearing a Dublin jersey and waving a hurley in the air and he got arrested. Obviously not the case.

surely it was a Celtic jersey. I always thought it was mandatory to wear a "hoops" jersey if your male, 16-35 years old and on holiday abroad to clearly indicate and Identify yourself as Irish.

voz es

How many of us know of sons or daughters of Irish immigrants coming from England for the summer holidays in the 60's 70's in the height of the troubles..... when you put it into that perspective it is not fierce unrealistic to be going on a summer holiday there.

All the same why were they in the vicinity of a march supporting such a organisation. That to me is where it is interesting, that to me is what should be highlighted, was it interest childish bravery slash stupidity or a genuine support for this wrong oppressive organisation. Some fine reporters have been killed in demonstrations over the years that I'm sure they had no passion for but genuine intrigue brought them there. At 17 I have to say I was wet around the ears...

His name is being stained by his fathers associates and he is getting tarred with the one brush. There is a fella that cuts grass for my auld lad jeez he is some bol*x I would be sickened if I was associated with him.

The long and the short of it is that if we are to have integration we have to start thinking of other Irish nationals kids just as we would our own, how many of us were on the fence with young Melissa Mc Collum Connolly and that is why i'm going to say i'm firmly on the fence on this.

I hope he never gets back to Ireland if he is a member of the Islamist brotherhood or and similar organisation with oppressive aims. On the other hand if he was a innocent but stupid youngster caught in the wrong place at the wrong time I do have pity for him.

17larsson

529 people sentenced to death for rioting? What the hell sort of a mad house is that?

whisky_galore

theKillerBite wrote: »

He flew over there to take part in the Muslim Brotherhoods "Day of Rage" which led to over 170 deaths including beheadings.

Sounds like a peaceful protest, sticking flowers in soldiers' guns and all that.

Borderfox

old_aussie wrote: »

I wonder if they found the snackbar

Would that be Alan's Snackbar?

Santa Cruz

It's a disgrace Joe

SEPT 23 1989

Hiding behind the flag of a western Christian country when things go t1ts up:rolleyes:

Freddie Dodge

Fcuk him, as someone else said, he only wants to be Irish when it suits him.

How would the bleeding hearts feel about an Irish American IRA bomber ?

wes

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Poor young man? He was in a foreign country supporting Al Qaeda linked extremists.

I am sure you can prove this right? Actually, I know you can't, as what your saying is complete fiction.

Last I checked Al Qaeda actually hate the Muslim Brotherhood for taking part in elections. The Muslim Brotherhood, for there many, many faults, were the democratically elected government. Its amazing to see so many on here rewrite history to ignore inconvenient facts like that.

BTW, it was the military junta murdering people in the street (they are responsible for making things violent, once they started shooting people in the streets), and there is 0 evidence that the young lad engaged in any violence at all btw. The Junta's Kangaroo's courts finding people guilty is proof of nothing.

Also, the Junta has also started to arrest secularists as well, btw.

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

His father seems a highly questionable character to boot.

What his father is or isn't is surely irrelevant.

jimgoose

I couldn't give a wet, thundery fart about those people.

hatrickpatrick

Merkin wrote: »

A typically well thought out and well researched article from the Indo I see.:rolleyes: He and his sisters went over to take part in violent demonstrations and marches which has been conveniently omitted from the story. But hey, since when had the truth ever gotten in the way of a good story?

Demonstrations against a military junta which forcefully seized control from the democratically elected government and killed a bunch of their supporters.

I'm in favour of revolution as everyone knows, and when Morsi was initially ousted I reckoned it was a good thing as he was the subject of mass protests and widespread public dissatisfaction. Would have remained ok if they had called immediate elections and allowed the existing government to run in them, thereby proving if a majority really did want them in power or not.

Instead, they violently assaulted protesters who favoured the ousted government and effectively made the party an unofficially banned organisation. This is disgustingly undemocratic and they should be given absolutely no support whatsoever.

I honestly don't understand why so many people are pro junta and anti protester when it comes to Egypt. What happened there a year ago started out as potentially democratic and then became profoundly anti-democratic.

Annasopra

jimgoose wrote: »

I couldn't give a wet, thundery fart about those people.

Irish people?

hatrickpatrick

nokia69 wrote: »

do you mean the military govenment, yeah they could be called monsters but as bad as they are the islamists are far worse

The Islamists were elected by the people, the military were not. The Islamists became deeply unpopular so the argument that they should rightfully have been removed and new elections called is a fair argument and one I would subscribe to, but to go after supporters of it as criminals pretty much proves that democracy has nothing to do with this junta's agenda.

jimgoose

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Irish people?

Those particular Irish people, if you like. Yes.

Annasopra

jimgoose wrote: »

Those particular Irish people, if you like. Yes.

Ah ok Muslims

jimgoose

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah ok Muslims

Those particular Irish Muslim people, if you like. Yes.

keeponhurling

Santa Cruz wrote: »

It's a disgrace Joe

****obligatory post about how raging I am that this thread is only X pages long, if they were white it would be X+100 pages long****

Wossack

reckon a boycott on tourism is the way to go alright (lol)

I'll start

keeponhurling

up for anything wrote: »

The old sweep it under the carpet strategy. It's worked so well for successive governments in this country that it's become the bed rock of any political party's policy.

"A Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman said it was providing "consular assistance" to the Halawa family in both Dublin and Cairo and was continuing to monitor the situation in Egypt."

So what exactly do you expect them to do?
Get the Irish Army involved and carry out a jail-break or something ?
It's all very well to rant and rave, but the Irish embassy out there does not run the country.

My name is URL

theKillerBite wrote: »

They flew over and looked for trouble. No sympathy for them.

That's what Irish people once said about guys going off and fighting in WWI

D1stant

Freddie Dodge wrote: »

Fcuk him, as someone else said, he only wants to be Irish when it suits him.

How would the bleeding hearts feel about an Irish American IRA bomber ?

WTF

How would you feel about a 17 year old from the Falls road rioting and being sentenced to death?

Degringola

OP, no doubt you've also been calling for a tourism boycott for the way the Copts have always been treated in Egypt, which is worse now than it's ever been and of course, woefully underreported.

bucketybuck

up for anything wrote: »

If you can't rely on your own country when the **** hits the fan it's a poor look out.

Its his country now is it? Then why was he protesting in some other country? Would have been interesting to ask him a year ago which country was his.

D1stant wrote: »

How would you feel about a 17 year old from the Falls road rioting and being sentenced to death?

Excellent idea that would stop the recreational rioting that is so common there in an instant.

Smiles35

Degringola wrote: »

OP, no doubt you've also been calling for a tourism boycott for the way the Copts have always been treated in Egypt, which is worse now than it's ever been and of course, woefully underreported.

Why would the op do that? Is the government running that aswell?

Degringola

Why does it matter who is 'running it'? Mistreatment of Copts is widespread and even worse since the Arab Spring.

Smiles35

Degringola wrote: »

Why does it matter who is 'running it'? Mistreatment of Copts is widespread and even worse since the Arab Spring.

It matters becuase the op was sugesting a way to lean on the policy makers.

Lone Stone

Travelling to another country to incite unrest, yea they can keep him.