so Larry Murphy is back in Ireland. *MOD WARNING FIRST POST*

Santa Cruz

Why can't people leave him alone. He has paid his debt to society

RollieFingers

Holsten wrote: »

No of course not. You shouldn't fear neither.

BUT.... according to the statistics you're more likely to be raped by someone you know than by a stranger.

And you're more likely to be raped by someone who has never been convicted against a convicted rapist.

I know it sounds crazy but if you read up on it you'll see it for yourself. I just go by the cold hard facts in this situations and thats what they tell you.

Same, and the fact is, Larry Murphy is violent rapist! I'd rather be in a room with people I know than Mr Murphy.

Holsten

RollieFingers wrote: »

Same, and the fact is, Larry Murphy is violent rapist! I'd rather be in a room with people I know than Mr Murphy.

He sure is and so would I.

Point is the entire hysteria around him is pointless from a factual and evidence based view.

It's all stirred up through misinformation and emotion and can potentially be dangerous since people focus on this one man who is extremely unlikely to cause them any harm thus taking the focus away from someone who might.

I am pie

Going to prison does not equate to paying a debt to society. That's a simplistic cliche designed comfort people who cling to the belief that prison actually rehabilitates rapists.

He was incarcerated, refused to accept he did wrong, showed no remorse, made remarks about how the victim he was caught about to kill "was lucky", likely he killed more than he was sentenced for.

There is no slate here, it certainly hasn't been wiped clean. He's a lucky man to be free, a horrible deranged criminal with no remorse.

I get that it's contrarian and cool to not care, but it would be wise to keep in mind what the guy did, and wise not be so naive to believe this was a one off given what he did and how he went about it.

RollieFingers

I am pie wrote: »

Going to prison does not equate to paying a debt to society. That's a simplistic cliche designed comfort people who cling to the belief that prison actually rehabilitates rapists.

He was incarcerated, refused to accept he did wrong, showed no remorse, made remarks about how the victim he was caught about to kill "was lucky", likely he killed more than he was sentenced for.

There is no slate here, it certainly hasn't been wiped clean. He's a lucky man to be free, a horrible deranged criminal with no remorse.

I get that it's contrarian and cool to not care, but it would be wise to keep in mind what the guy did, and wise not be so naive to believe this was a one off given what he did and how he went about it.

Finally, a bit of sense being spoken on this thread!

Holsten

I am pie wrote: »

I get that it's contrarian and cool to not care, but it would be wise to keep in mind what the guy did, and wise not be so naive to believe this was a one off given what he did and how he went about it.

This is just pure hearsay and speculation.

Unless there is evidence of which there is zero, he didn't do anything other than what he was convicted of. People go on about how he is a serial killer, etc... pure bollox.

dipdip

The more that society at large musters up vitriol towards sex offenders, the more dangerous we make them.

This kind of thread exacerbates an already serious problem.

Your public and vocal hatred and anger towards such characters isolates them further, dehumanizes them further and thus pushes them to reoffend as revenge.

The conversation in threads like this one is dangerous.

Consider that.

Ash.J.Williams

Holsten wrote: »

This is just pure hearsay and speculation.

Unless there is evidence of which there is zero, he didn't do anything other than what he was convicted of. People go on about how he is a serial killer, etc... pure bollox.

the evidence is ...

this is a man that is capable of stalking a women, learning her routine, bashing her skull while she is at the boot of her car, pushing her into her boot, and driving her to his car parked in a more discrete location, tying her up and putting her in his car, driving her to a remote wood in west wicklow (a decent journey from carlow), raping her repeatedly before getting caught in the act and escaping....driving home, collecting a bottle of whiskey on the way, and drinking it at home while his wife and kids slept....and never spoke of what he did or showed remorse or even admitted it...

Holsten

Praise the lord some actual sense!

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

dipdip wrote: »

The more that society at large musters up vitriol towards sex offenders, the more dangerous we make them.

This kind of thread exacerbates an already serious problem.

Your public and vocal hatred and anger towards such characters isolates them further, dehumanizes them further and thus pushes them to reoffend as revenge.

The conversation in threads like this one is dangerous.

Consider that.

Is this based on anything tangible or did you just dream it up yourself?

o1s1n

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Why can't people leave him alone. He has paid his debt to society

Here's what he was convicted of doing, just as a reminder to you;

During the ordeal, Murphy kidnapped the woman and locked her in the boot of his car. He then drove to Kilkea in County Kildare, where he repeatedly raped and beat her. She was then locked in the boot again while he drove to the Spinans Cross in the Wicklow Mountains where he again raped her several times vaginally, anally and orally.[2] The woman began to fight back and Murphy produced a plastic bag, which he placed over her head in an attempt to suffocate her. He stopped his assault when two late-night hunters came across the scene and recognised Murphy.

Do you really think 10 and a half years of a 15 year sentence is enough to cover that?

Holsten wrote: »

This is just pure hearsay and speculation.

Unless there is evidence of which there is zero, he didn't do anything other than what he was convicted of. People go on about how he is a serial killer, etc... pure bollox.

Do you not think that statistically, it's a bid odd that someone would get caught doing the above during their first offense?

Would it not make more sense that he would be possibly caught during one of several offenses?

dipdip

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Is this based on anything tangible or did you just dream it up yourself?

I work in the area. Read up on it for yourself.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

dipdip wrote: »

I work in the area. Read up on it for yourself.

well then it shouldn't be too much hassle to back up what you're saying so

Holsten

o1s1n wrote: »

Do you not think that statistically, it's a bid odd that someone would get caught doing the above during their first offense?

Would it not make more sense that he would be possibly caught during one of several offenses?

Of course it's odd, I mean look at the way he was found out, two hunters just happen to be there... crazy odds.

Doesn't me he has done it before though.

That's the thing that really interests me he just outright refuses to talk about it at all. I can understand why to a degree but I'd love to get his side, did he just snap? Was he planning it for months? Etc...

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Holsten wrote: »

Of course it's odd, I mean look at the way he was found out, two hunters just happen to be there... crazy odds.

Doesn't me he has done it before though.

That's the thing that really interests me he just outright refuses to talk about it at all. I can understand why to a degree but I'd love to get his side, did he just snap? Was he planning it for months? Etc...

You can understand why he brutally raped a woman for no reason?

dipdip

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

well then it shouldn't be too much hassle to back up what you're saying so

You're not a child and I'm not your teacher. Look it up like an adult and educate yourself. Google media impact on sex offender recidivism.

Here's one link to a US study from 2010. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/179992.pdf

Ash.J.Williams

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

You can understand why he brutally raped a woman for no reason?

why he won't talk

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

dipdip wrote: »

You're not a child and I'm not your teacher. Look it up like an adult and educate yourself. Google media impact on sex offender recidivism.

Here's one link to a US study from 2010. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/179992.pdf

thanks for the link. No need for the insults

Holsten

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

You can understand why he brutally raped a woman for no reason?

What? No... why do that? Try make it like I said that.

I said I can understand to a degree why he refuses to talk, a thread like this a prime example.

dipdip

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

thanks for the link. No need for the insults

No insults expressed or indeed intended.

dipdip

One last note before I back out of this thread - these conversations also traumatize the victim and their family.

Please remember that, too.

Holsten

dipdip wrote: »

You're not a child and I'm not your teacher. Look it up like an adult and educate yourself. Google media impact on sex offender recidivism.

Here's one link to a US study from 2010. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/179992.pdf

That's what I've been saying all along in this thread, going after him like the media does makes him MORE dangerous!

o1s1n

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

You can understand why he brutally raped and attempted to murder a woman for no reason?

I've added a piece you left out which seems to be often overlooked. The attempted murder alone should have carried a heavier sentence than what he served - the two of them combined, boggles the mind really how it was only 10 years.

Fred Swanson

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Flippyfloppy

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Why can't people leave him alone. He has paid his debt to society

Sad, you sound like one of those bleating women who would marry a sex offender behind bars, thinking he's 'changed'

Flippyfloppy

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Finally some proper analysis.

Yes he should have gotten far longer inside. Something to lobby your local TD about than start a witch-hunt.

Leave the surveillance to the lawfully appointed agents of the state, not some self appointed keyboard warriors (both genders).

My last thoughts before I say something I may regret saying later.

Oh , it's you. I asked you a direct question this morning

jmayo

jane82 wrote: »

A rapist who tried to kill someone and wasnt very good at it that served ten years.

Do you have any fooking idea what he did to that lady ?
It wasn't he was poor at it, he was just unlucky and the lady was very very lucky to still be alive.

Holsten wrote: »

I hate this "destroyed lives", why must the girls have their entire lives destroyed by this man? Why do you give him that much power? Is it not possible they have received the treatment they deserved and have moved on from what he put them through? I doubt they would ever fully get over what he done but saying their entire lives are destroyed is too much.

Weird you have not changed much in 12 years. No one I know is the same person they were 12 years ago. Yes I do think they can change, not all but most. If he doesn't rape again then he has changed in my eyes.

You are one very objectionable human being.

Yeah shure acording to you a bit of therapy and hey presto the poor lady moves on from the horrid experience of being kidnapped, beaten, raped every way possible numerous times and then being told she is going to die as someone tries to suffocate her.

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Why can't people leave him alone. He has paid his debt to society

Bulls**.
He got concurrent sentences for car theft, kidnapp, multipe rapes, GBH and attempted murder, .
And he got automatic remission on his sentence even though he never admitted guilt, sought therapy or showed remorse.

Holsten wrote: »

This is just pure hearsay and speculation.

Unless there is evidence of which there is zero, he didn't do anything other than what he was convicted of. People go on about how he is a serial killer, etc... pure bollox.

No the only bollox around here is coming out of you and your fellow apologists.
What a bunch of disgusting individuals.
I just hope that poor lady never has to read the sh**e you and others have spewed out in this thread.

Holsten

I don't know where you get the idea that I am an apologist to Larry Murphy?

Busted Flat.

Holsten wrote: »

I don't know where you get the idea that I am an apologist to Larry Murphy?

You gave the game away, you would be no good at hide and seek.

I am pie

"I doubt they would ever fully get over what he done but saying their entire lives are destroyed is too much"

This is possibly the most tragically ill educated, unpleasant, downright moronic, ill thought out guff I have ever read on AH. Congratulations.

We get it, you have an unemotional cool, quite contrary position that places 100% faith in the redemptive and rehabilitative powers of Ireland's rock solid Justice system. Great, well done you. It's asll logic for you, the system works and the little people should stop being so uppity with their crazy ideas that they shouldn't be exposed to an unrepentant potentially dangerous criminal.

I guess people can listen to that and argue the toss, however erhaps you could contain yourself a tad, drag yourself up out of the gutter and afford the victim a modicum of respect here.

I don't think a women that you've never met and have no knowledge of their pyschological condition after an extreme trauma deserves to have even the small chance of being exposed to your cretinous ideas on how their lives should be affected by this event. Will you be hopping into the thread about depression and telling the people there to buck up their ideas? Maybe nip into the non drinkers group and tell them suire it's only a drink.

I mean, what the actual fck! Are you seriously saying "ah look, it was only a kidnapping, you were only tied up and bound, you were only battered and raped multiple times, you were only almost murdered except for an extaordinary turn of fate, and by the way, the guy that did it is out and about, but lilke, you know, I don't think that should ruin your life"

If you are (&$%$ 543T##"#""!!$).