Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Utopia Parkway

Liam O wrote: »

I'd agree with most of Juan_Mata's post above bar City and Chelsea being much better this season. Only Liverpool habe really improved over last season imo, City and Chelsea still drop a lot of silly points. I'm surprised by how bad Arsenal have been recently, they were fantastic for the 2nd half of last season and seemed to bring that form into this one. A shame they are falling away now as it would stop me supporting Chelsea for the rest of the season

Chelsea and Man City have definitely improved. Pellegrini is a big upgrade on Mancini, who City seemed to win games in spite of and Mourinho coming back makes Chelsea mentally stronger if nothing else.

2moreMinutes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I will be honest I would not be surprised if we are relegated if Moyes is in charge next season.

The man is capable of anything.

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia claim Old Trafford as their own if Moyes is in charge next season.


Am I playing this game right??

The_Kew_Tour

2moreMinutes wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia claim Old Trafford as their own if Moyes is in charge next season.


Am I playing this game right??

Its not a game. Its reality.

2moreMinutes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Its not a game. Its reality.

So you actually think we are at serious risk of relegation next season if Moyes is still manager?

onemorechance

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hand on heart I think its 50/50 right now.(although it seems to change on game to game basis)

The Bayern result might well be the last straw.

I reckon Everton getting 4th would be worse for Moyes than any Bayern result.

IamtheWalrus

Don't know if these figures are accurate (:eek:) but if so, Utd have a tough job attracting big names in the Summer.

Here...

The_Kew_Tour

2moreMinutes wrote: »

So you actually think we are at serious risk of relegation next season if Moyes is still manager?

Dont take everything so literally in here.

At the same time he brought a Champion winning team to 7th, who is to say he cant do worse next season?

IamtheWalrus

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hand on heart I think its 50/50 right now.(although it seems to change on game to game basis)

The Bayern result might well be the last straw.

There is nothing to suggest Moyes will be sacked.

2moreMinutes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Dont take everything so literally in here.

At the same time he brought a Champion winning team to 7th, who is to say he cant do worse next season?

I take very little literally in isolation. When there's a general trend of drama from specific posters, it does make me wonder.

The_Kew_Tour

2moreMinutes wrote: »

I take very little literally in isolation. When there's a general trend of drama from specific posters, it does make me wonder.

ok

Blatter

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Morata one is odd.
I thought United did agree a fee for Herrera? Fair enough about the Tax issues but I had assumed that was what happened?
I would have thought we inquired about Modric last summer before Ancelotti said no.
Chelsea for Thiago is odd but so is that whole saga.
PSG were the only viable option for a Rooney sale so I am sure they at least asked.

Here is an article about Juan Mata from August 23rd:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1530935/manchester-united-keen-sign-chelsea-juan-mata?cc=5739
And again on January 2nd before anywhere else:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1530935/manchester-united-keen-sign-chelsea-juan-mata?cc=5739

When Dante himself said United wanted him, many sites ran with the story, Delaney denied any approach, which has now turned out as we all expected, a new contract for Dante.
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1688314/manchester-united-yet-make-firm-approach-bayern-munich-dante?cc=5739

United in pole position to sign Zaha from the beginning on January, I believe Sky ran it halfway through the window:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1286957/man-utd-pole-position-sign-zaha?cc=5739

No journalist is going to be 100% on transfer news, I find Delaney to at least be honest about the chances of a deal happening and I would be fully confident that none of his stories are "made up", while conceding that sometimes he does make 2+2=5, I think it's unfair to label him as someone who does it "all the time" or be anywhere near the worst for it.

Moyes confirmed that United never met the buyout clause for Herrera.

Moyes said: "The stuff about Herrera, we made an offer for £23m and we were never going to go to the buy-out clause.

You would have assumed that United would've made an enquiry for Modric? So would I! Again, this is the type of stuff I'm talking about. Write something that makes logical sense but is unlikely to be ever proven wrong and claim 'sources' told you. Bingo.

The Mata rumours were floating around in the Summer. Chelsea even felt the need to make a statement in July to deny that they've offered players (Mata and Luiz) plus cash for Rooney. And again, the fact that Moyes went on record saying he wasn't interested in Ozil because he had both Rooney and Kagawa in the #10 position would pour cold water on his apparent interest in Mata (same type of player) that Summer.

Again, that Mata article on the 2nd of Jan proves no real insight. Footballdirectnews were reporting the same thing on the 29th of October! Let's be honest, Mata wasn't getting game time at Chelsea, United were doing poorly and were being criticised for their lack of big name signings, 2 + 2...etc.

Why do you think that PSG at least asked about Rooney just because they were the only viable option for them? That makes no sense from PSG's pov!

I could have written that Dante article myself! Again, proves no real insight within the club!

Again, the Zaha article in January proves nothing either, he had been linked with United for ages prior to that! Even the Express had writen about it in November 2012.


I've never seen him come up with anything that even remotely proves that he has genuine contacts within the club and there is an overwhelming amount of evidense that he's a spoofer when it comes to transfer talk imo.

bucketybuck

TheDoc wrote: »

How is Klopp "unproven"....

Champions league final, two bundesliga titles, pretty sure they won the domestic cup, all in what, four years?

I'm not trying to denigrate Klopps achievements at all, but my point is that we have no idea how he would do should he move to United or even Barcelona. There are plenty of examples of managers who did well at a club and then were never able to recreate that success elsewhere. Yet again the AVB comparison is apt, a European title and league success with one club did not translate into success with another (for whatever reason).

There are examples of managers that have had success at multiple clubs, Mourinho being the obvious one. Klopp has not, he has only had success at one, so if people are complaining that United should have replaced Fergie with a proven winner then they shouldn't really be talking about Klopp.

We know that if we had hired Mourinho we would probably have had a title challenge. We know if we had hired Ancelloti we would have had at least top four. We know this because they have shown it again and again at different clubs. Klopp, on the other hand, hasn't.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Klopp would be a bad choice as the next manager. I just think his success in the job is not the near certainty a lot of others seem to think, and people writing stuff like this

Give Jurgen Klopp the current squad, plus £100m for additions, then sit back and prepare to see something special

could be in for a rude awakening.

Lord TSC

I don't think Klopp would work magic.

I do think that he'd work better than Moyes.

I'd have prefered Pep or Jose last season, but they are unavailable. I'd say Klopp is in a Tier below them. But then I think most in that Tier above him are unavailable now, and I think Moyes falls 2 or 3 tiers below Klopp.

Klopp would be a risk, yes. BUT he wouldn't be a fraction of the risk that Moyes was (based on their compared successes). Plus I think Klopp has all the advantages Moyes has (good transfer record, etc) but far more than Moyes has too.

Headshot

If Klopp had this start, I would be fully behind me, never straying

Rayne Wooney

Could that plane with anti Moyes banner thing actually go ahead? I thought it was a joke

God that would be a new low, even worse than our current league position to be honest

Juan_Mata

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

All 3 have been poor. Evra has been really really poor.

Disappointing cause after last season I thought in had couple of seasons in him yet.

It's sickening to watch. Our wingers don't get the space the opposition wingers do. Evra doesn't care anymore. He'll probably score a goal before the end of the season and start showing passion and pointing to the badge or something but he's not with it anymore.

RasTa

Random thought post

This is Ronaldo's 5th season at Madrid and it's looking like another without a La Liga. Only 1 title and Copa in his 5 years.


Obv no chance of him coming back with his new contract but I do wonder.

Red Crow

RasTa wrote: »

Random thought post

This is Ronaldo's 5th season at Madrid and it's looking like another without a La Liga. Only 1 title and Copa in his 5 years.

Certainly a massive underachievement. Then again he's playing for the team him and his dad supported growing up. For 80M they got a bargain tbh!

onemorechance

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Don't know if these figures are accurate (:eek:) but if so, Utd have a tough job attracting big names in the Summer.

Here...

The new kit deal circa 60-70 a year would cover the wages of pretty much all those players. United are the only PL team with a player in that list. Wages are not gonna be the stumbling block for United in attracting big names in the summer, in fact it may be their primary attraction! :pac:

RasTa

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah, Giggs and Neville might be buying Salford FC. Somebody got confused.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I do think there is little chance of it actually happening - but the two people on the story are the Suns business Editor and one of the most respected northern based journos - I really don't think they have made this story up.

Never trust Sun journo's mitch.

https://twitter.com/salfordcityfc

Professey Chin

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Could that plane with anti Moyes banner thing actually go ahead? I thought it was a joke

God that would be a new low, even worse than our current league position to be honest

Its up there with the constant abuse that scottish girl is getting on twitter for sharing Moyes surname

People are idiots

https://twitter.com/moyesy

Hococop

Didn't look into this Moyes banner what do they mean by plane ( please tell me its nothing to do with Munich)

Ernest Oreo

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I don't think Klopp would work magic.

I do think that he'd work better than Moyes.

I'd have prefered Pep or Jose last season, but they are unavailable. I'd say Klopp is in a Tier below them. But then I think most in that Tier above him are unavailable now, and I think Moyes falls 2 or 3 tiers below Klopp.

Klopp would be a risk, yes. BUT he wouldn't be a fraction of the risk that Moyes was (based on their compared successes). Plus I think Klopp has all the advantages Moyes has (good transfer record, etc) but far more than Moyes has too.

Tier 1 - Pep & Jose
Tier 2 - Klopp, Ancellotti, Hiddink
Tier 3 - Pellegrini, Martin O'Neill, Larry White, Capello
Tier 4 - Brendan Rodgers, Wenger, AVB, Conte, Rafa
Tier 5 - Big Sam, Chris Hughton
Tier 6 - Moyes, Pat Fenlon, Roy Evans, Brian Kidd, Christian Gross

UnitedIrishman

Ah Klopp. Would love him to take over whenever Moyes finally gets shown the door. He'd actually have us playing something resembling cohesive flowing football.

We'll probably go with Paul Jewell or Graham Taylor though before that happens.

Ulysses Gaze

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I don't think Klopp would work magic.

I do think that he'd work better than Moyes.

I'd have prefered Pep or Jose last season, but they are unavailable. I'd say Klopp is in a Tier below them. But then I think most in that Tier above him are unavailable now, and I think Moyes falls 2 or 3 tiers below Klopp.

Klopp would be a risk, yes. BUT he wouldn't be a fraction of the risk that Moyes was (based on their compared successes). Plus I think Klopp has all the advantages Moyes has (good transfer record, etc) but far more than Moyes has too.

I agree.

What you would see with Klopp though is a system of play on the pitch and a sense that the players know what they are doing. That they 'Get' what the manager is trying to do. Klopp may struggle initially but you'd see a project in process on the pitch and you could turn around and say.

'Ah...I see what he is trying to do. He just needs time for the players to adapt.'

The problem with Moyes is that you cannot actually tell what Utd are trying to do on the pitch! What is the system, structure or style of play they are trying to adapt to? Does he know how to get the best out of players such as Kagawa and Mata for instance? And as Gary Neville said on Tuesday - this is not a question of spending £150 million+ in the summer and that solving all the problems. Moyes has already spent £60 million plus on two players and how are they performing under him? Mata looks completely lost on the pitch and Fellaini has lost all confidence.

If this was another club besides Utd you'd probably have the majority of fans singing 'You don't know what you're doing' right now. That's a credit to the Utd fans by the way.

Moyes is a nice man. But it is a case of the Peter principle. Unless you want to set yourselves back 20 years like Liverpool did, Utd need to bin Moyes and get in a manager like Klopp.

Moyes is Wilf McGuiness.

RGDATA!

Hococop wrote: »

Didn't look into this Moyes banner what do they mean by plane ( please tell me its nothing to do with Munich)

Actual plane flying over ground with trailing banner.

Kerrydude1981

Hococop wrote: »

Didn't look into this Moyes banner what do they mean by plane ( please tell me its nothing to do with Munich)

Have a Moyes out banner hanging off the back of a plane and fly over OT during the game against Villa

Ulysses Gaze

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Tier 1 - Pep & Jose
Tier 2 - Klopp, Ancellotti, Hiddink
Tier 3 - Pellegrini, Martin O'Neill, Larry White, Capello
Tier 4 - Brendan Rodgers, Wenger, AVB, Conte, Rafa
Tier 5 - Big Sam, Chris Hughton
Tier 6 - Moyes, Pat Fenlon, Roy Evans, Brian Kidd, Christian Gross

Ancelotti is Tier 1. As is Capello.

Hococop

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Have a Moyes out banner hanging off the back of a plane and fly over OT during the game against Villa

Ah right. Just stupid

UnitedIrishman

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Have a Moyes out banner hanging off the back of a plane and fly over OT during the game against Villa

As much as I don't want him in charge, I hope we aren't this petty. Republik of Mancunia (who the Mail named as the ones doing it) denied any part of it and called them lazy journalists etc, so I don't know if it it just made up stories in the Mail again.