Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

bullvine

Worst joke ever.. My heart skipped a beat..

Whatsisname

Apparently a fake Mark Ogden account tweeted he was sacked and thats where it came from

Rayne Wooney

Around the world ABUs breath a sigh of relief

tallaghtmick

geeksauce

There is no chance of Moyes being sacked this season, or before the beginning of next season. He will still be there this time next year, they wont sack him after one season, three maybe but not one or two. Unless next season is in no way better than this (hard to imagine that would be the case given how bad they are this year) he will still be in charge in season 3. The same next year or worse I would say they will get rid in the summer of 2015, any improvement on this year or signs of improvement then he will start season 3

MagicIRL

No-one does publicity better than Paddy Power! Whoever is incharge of the PR must be on 300k a week!

The_Kew_Tour

geeksauce wrote: »

There is no chance of Moyes being sacked this season, or before the beginning of next season. He will still be there this time next year, they wont sack him after one season, three maybe but not one or two. Unless next season is in no way better than this (hard to imagine that would be the case given how bad they are this year) he will still be in charge in season 3. The same next year or worse I would say they will get rid in the summer of 2015, any improvement on this year or signs of improvement then he will start season 3

I will be honest I would not be surprised if we are relegated if Moyes is in charge next season.

The man is capable of anything.

Headshot

Good auld pp, horrible bookie in general

They have the worse sense of humour around

TheDoc

Headshot wrote: »

Good auld pp, horrible bookie in general

They have the worse sense of humour around

They actually are such a horrible organisation. Kew gonna stick it to them though earning that few quid, BRING EM TO THEIR KNEES

I'd say they are gutted, you know they have a picture they think is going to be the funniest thing the world ahs ever seen when Moyes gets sacked

Mezcita

geeksauce wrote: »

There is no chance of Moyes being sacked this season, or before the beginning of next season. He will still be there this time next year, they wont sack him after one season, three maybe but not one or two. Unless next season is in no way better than this (hard to imagine that would be the case given how bad they are this year) he will still be in charge in season 3. The same next year or worse I would say they will get rid in the summer of 2015, any improvement on this year or signs of improvement then he will start season 3

The club will take a huge financial hit by not making the Champions League this year. There is no way the board would allow another season of mid table mediocrity without taking action.

bullvine

geeksauce wrote: »

There is no chance of Moyes being sacked this season, or before the beginning of next season. He will still be there this time next year, they wont sack him after one season, three maybe but not one or two. Unless next season is in no way better than this (hard to imagine that would be the case given how bad they are this year) he will still be in charge in season 3. The same next year or worse I would say they will get rid in the summer of 2015, any improvement on this year or signs of improvement then he will start season 3

I think you're wrong, the tide is turning, he'll be gone soon thankfully. This will not continue, once he lost the fans which he appears to have. Its curtains!

v3ttel

Macca07 wrote: »

It'll be a payoff of £10 million, and he'll be able to work away then.

Its actually £3 million + Bébé.

Jimmy Iovine

Headshot wrote: »

Good auld pp, horrible bookie in general

They have the worse sense of humour around

Anyone that still flogs that John Terry joke (the one with him wearing the kit) has a terrible sense of humour. Worse than the people that 'like' it.

onemorechance

Bosnich said on TalkSport:

"It has been obvious for some time that things are not quite right there.

"I'm hearing very strong rumours that Ryan Giggs has had a falling out with the management and that is a real shame because that is somebody there with exceptional experience.

"There are things seeping out that things are not well behind the scenes. The fact that a lot of old players are coming out, like Paul Scholes, tells me there are definitely problems behind the scenes."

"The board have to back the manager while he is employed by the club, but they must be concerned behind the scenes with how things are going."

"I mentioned those rumors about Giggs and I don't think he is the only one, so there are massive amount of problems there and they need to be sorted quickly."

It would not surprise me if Giggs has ambitions to become the manager, but I doubt he would revolt unless he was genuinely unhappy with the set-up.

Scholes is supposed to be starting a coaching role there soon; the sooner he's coaching there the better.

Blatter

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

You're wrong there.

I'd actually challenge you to go and find the last Delaney article that was him making a guess, where he didn't state it as such.

Very rarely does he put his name to something he hasn't been told from someone he trusts. The last thing I remember was saying United would sign Juan Mata about 8 days before the rest caught on to it.

Over on r/reddevils they have a scale for journalists with tiers to show their accuracy, and Delaney has broken into the top tier along with Daniel Taylor. Don't know where you got the idea that he was a spoofer, one of the better ones actually. Not to mention that he will explain and debate with his twitter followers when asked.

I'm most certainly not wrong and I couldn't really give a toss about the r/reddevils jorunalist scale because they are quite clearly full of rubbish if they are ranking Miguel Delaney anywhere near Daniel Taylor. And that whole Mata story had been mooted in plenty of places before Delaney added his input.



This was on the 17th March, the day after the 3-0 defeat to Liverpool. None of the top level journalists like Dan Taylor, Ben Smith, Phil McNulty etc. reported this. It was an easy story for Delaney to write because of course there was a good chance at that stage that key boardroom figures had turned against him at that stage. The other journos could have easily printed it and never be really proved wrong but they decided to maintain their integrity.



This United planning Alvaro Morata bid from a few weeks ago seems suspect to say the least. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see the logic to this story at all and it's not something I've seen quality journalists report.



This article, he claims that Unted had agreed to pay €36m for Ander Herrera, according to 'sources'.
When the deal was stagnating, he then came out with the tax issues that Ballague was spouting. Of course it was later confirmed that Man Utd did not ever agree a fee with Bilbao for the player.



United hold talks with Madrid over signing one of Ozil or Modric. Believe that? I don't. Moyes is on record saying he didn't go in for Ozil because he wanted to see more of Kagawa. And it makes sense because not one of the reliable outlets I've mentioned before claimed United were looking to sign Ozil.



Chelsea join race to sign Thiago. Again, not a whisper of this from a reliable source througout the Summer, not a peep. I think it's reasonable of me to think this was very likely a load of rubbish.



Here he claims that PSG have started dialogue with Rooney's representatives. Again, it doesn't fit in with what actually happened, or what was reported from reliable sources in the Summer.


And I could go on and on. Now I've outlined why I think he's a spoofer when it comes to transfer talk, could you provide some evidence where he has written a news story that hadn't already been reported or that couldn't have been easily guessed before hand? Because that's the only way of truly guaging how reliable a journalist really is when it comes to inside information.

I'd genuinely like to see it, cheers.

Juan_Mata

First post. Sickening season tbh.

We're stuck with this dilemma, Moyes can't motivate his players or the players aren't good enough?

There's one thing that is the bare minimum and it's giving 100% for the cause. The players aren't playing for just Moyes, they're playing for the club and the fans.

Evra and Rio especially, gutless. I don't care how many years service they've given, they give their all to the end or they can fcuk right off. How Evra has the pace going forward but not getting back is mind boggling. It's like a superpower he has.

Rafael has some fight in him at least, his touch and play at times has been iffy.

Jones playing CB can only be good for us, fair play to Moyes for giving him a run at CB although enforced. Smalling is a very good defender and will be incredible in a few years. I think we need a world class CB in the summer to partner either smalling or Jones. Evans is a very capable replacement.

Carrick has been terrible. He's 32 now? Time to replace him with Fellaini next season.

Cleverly. Sigh. What an awful awful player. Has no power, no shooting prowess, no passing ability, no awareness. The only thing he is capable of is passing the ball 5 yards to a winger on the sideline who is guaranteed to be under pressure. He just passes the pressure onto someone else, 'sure I made a pass and he lost it'.

Moyes obviously hasn't been perfect either, the incessant crossing, the lack of subs. He did play Giggs v Olympiakos and Welbeck which was a coy move imo. Fair play to him for that.

I'm not sure if Moyes has given Mata instructions but he's in cm farrr too often looking for the ball. That's where Cleverly and Carrick should be. I still think he's doing his best though.

The only players I have confidence in giving their all for the team this season are DDG, Rafael, Jones, Fellaini, Adnan, Valencia, Young, Rooney, Welbeck, Chico and Fletcher.

I also hate the argument 'This team won the league last season'. No, Rio was our best defender last season. He was incredible. Rafael played better also.

We also scored a looooooot of goals from set pieces. It was a bit of a freak. We were never powerhouses from set pieces before last year. Our defence also conceded a lot of goals but RVP was banging them in.

The other teams have also upped their game. Last season they were piss tbh. City were muck and Chelsea were muck. A Mourinho team is always going to be there and City and Liverpool have been very good.

I have confidence in Moyes, you don't consistently keep Everton battling with the big boys for 10 years or so. (Martinez has players from both Barcelona and Chelsea remember to aid him)

Let Moyes build his team I say, he's chasing the best players. Not some 20 year old from Argentina. He will have learned from his mistakes last summer and sort it out. It's his first year, we can go without trophies for one or two seasons. Let him get rid of the players who've let him down this season because they have.

Whatsisname

Mike Keegan &#8207 wrote: »

Confirmed: Nevilles, Giggs, Scholes and Butt have bought Salford City.

Looks like a done deal so!

I'd agree with most of Juan_Mata's post above bar City and Chelsea being much better this season. Only Liverpool habe really improved over last season imo, City and Chelsea still drop a lot of silly points. I'm surprised by how bad Arsenal have been recently, they were fantastic for the 2nd half of last season and seemed to bring that form into this one. A shame they are falling away now as it would stop me supporting Chelsea for the rest of the season

Mikeyt086

Blatter wrote: »

I'm most certainly not wrong and I couldn't really give a toss about the r/reddevils jorunalist scale because they are quite clearly full of rubbish if they are ranking Miguel Delaney anywhere near Daniel Taylor. And that whole Mata story had been mooted in plenty of places before Delaney added his input.



This was on the 17th March, the day after the 3-0 defeat to Liverpool. None of the top level journalists like Dan Taylor, Ben Smith, Phil McNulty etc. reported this. It was an easy story for Delaney to write because of course there was a good chance at that stage that key boardroom figures had turned against him at that stage. The other journos could have easily printed it and never be really proved wrong but they decided to maintain their integrity.



This United planning Alvaro Morata bid from a few weeks ago seems suspect to say the least. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see the logic to this story at all and it's not something I've seen quality journalists report.



This article, he claims that Unted had agreed to pay €36m for Ander Herrera, according to 'sources'.
When the deal was stagnating, he then came out with the tax issues that Ballague was spouting. Of course it was later confirmed that Man Utd did not ever agree a fee with Bilbao for the player.



United hold talks with Madrid over signing one of Ozil or Modric. Believe that? I don't. Moyes is on record saying he didn't go in for Ozil because he wanted to see more of Kagawa. And it makes sense because not one of the reliable outlets I've mentioned before claimed United were looking to sign Ozil.



Chelsea join race to sign Thiago. Again, not a whisper of this from a reliable source througout the Summer, not a peep. I think it's reasonable of me to think this was very likely a load of rubbish.



Here he claims that PSG have started dialogue with Rooney's representatives. Again, it doesn't fit in with what actually happened, or what was reported from reliable sources in the Summer.


And I could go on and on. Now I've outlined why I think he's a spoofer when it comes to transfer talk, could you provide some evidence where he has written a news story that hadn't already been reported or that couldn't have been easily guessed before hand? Because that's the only way of truly guaging how reliable a journalist really is when it comes to inside information.

I'd genuinely like to see it, cheers.

Morata one is odd.
I thought United did agree a fee for Herrera? Fair enough about the Tax issues but I had assumed that was what happened?
I would have thought we inquired about Modric last summer before Ancelotti said no.
Chelsea for Thiago is odd but so is that whole saga.
PSG were the only viable option for a Rooney sale so I am sure they at least asked.

Here is an article about Juan Mata from August 23rd:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1530935/manchester-united-keen-sign-chelsea-juan-mata?cc=5739
And again on January 2nd before anywhere else:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1530935/manchester-united-keen-sign-chelsea-juan-mata?cc=5739

When Dante himself said United wanted him, many sites ran with the story, Delaney denied any approach, which has now turned out as we all expected, a new contract for Dante.
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1688314/manchester-united-yet-make-firm-approach-bayern-munich-dante?cc=5739

United in pole position to sign Zaha from the beginning on January, I believe Sky ran it halfway through the window:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1286957/man-utd-pole-position-sign-zaha?cc=5739

No journalist is going to be 100% on transfer news, I find Delaney to at least be honest about the chances of a deal happening and I would be fully confident that none of his stories are "made up", while conceding that sometimes he does make 2+2=5, I think it's unfair to label him as someone who does it "all the time" or be anywhere near the worst for it.

Blatter

Liam O wrote: »

I'd agree with most of Juan_Mata's post above bar City and Chelsea being much better this season. Only Liverpool habe really improved over last season imo, City and Chelsea still drop a lot of silly points. I'm surprised by how bad Arsenal have been recently, they were fantastic for the 2nd half of last season and seemed to bring that form into this one. A shame they are falling away now as it would stop me supporting Chelsea for the rest of the season

Ah c'mon, City and Chelsea are far more potent and concentrated this season.

spiralism

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I will be honest I would not be surprised if we are relegated if Moyes is in charge next season.

The man is capable of anything.

If we still have this absolute clown in charge by august we deserve to be made a mockery of. It's absolute pigheaded ignorance and stubborness. Surely Man United are better than blind stubbornness with something that's clearly not working?

The_Kew_Tour

spiralism wrote: »

If we still have this absolute clown in charge by august we deserve to be made a mockery of. It's absolute pigheaded ignorance and stubborness. Surely Man United are better than blind stubbornness with something that's clearly not working?

Hand on heart I think its 50/50 right now.(although it seems to change on game to game basis)

The Bayern result might well be the last straw.

newballsplease

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hand on heart I think its 50/50 right now.(although it seems to change on game to game basis)

The Bayern result might well be the last straw.

I think fergie will be pushing for Moyes to be given time. Hence i think he will def be in charge next season.

The_Kew_Tour

newballsplease wrote: »

I think fergie will be pushing for Moyes to be given time. Hence i think he will def be in charge next season.

Honestly nothing would surprise me.

I be disappointed if he was in charge, but not totally surprised.

Juan_Mata

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Honestly nothing would surprise me.

I be disappointed if he was in charge, but not totally surprised.

What do you think of the performances of Rio, Evra and Carrick this season? 3 players who have been vital to winning titles for Man Utd over the years.

Unearthly

He will be here next season. I can see quite a few signings being made which will inflate expectations and hope again but by Xmas the reality will be realised that no matter what 11 players we put out our manager is still useless

Whatsisname

I honestly see him still here next season and breaking our record of longest streak without a win in the PL at the start of the season.

Juan_Mata

I'm still siding with Moyes. He's not the only man in charge of the team. He has his team with him. They have to accept some responsibility.

I'm giving him until midway through next season when he has the team HE wants. I admire him for having the balls not to panic buy actually in January actually.

The_Kew_Tour

Juan_Mata wrote: »

What do you think of the performances of Rio, Evra and Carrick this season? 3 players who have been vital to winning titles for Man Utd over the years.

All 3 have been poor. Evra has been really really poor.

Disappointing cause after last season I thought in had couple of seasons in him yet.

K-9

Blatter wrote: »

Ah c'mon, City and Chelsea are far more potent and concentrated this season.

Both managers first season though. Chelsea getting Costa or somebody like that would make them even stronger again!