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A 4-3-3 with a style similar to Barca is what I'd be aiming for with the personnel at the club in the coming seasons. Kagawa/Mata playing as the advanced midfielder, then Mata/Welbeck/Rooney/Nani/maybe Januzaj as the wide forwards with either RVP, Rooney or Chico up front. New signings needed for the Xavi and Busquets roles but sure 2 new midfielders needed anyway and Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini and Cleverley providing ample cover.

Backstreet Moyes

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

If Shaw was a few years older, would we still want to go for him? I think RB is as much of a problem as LB. I'd love Coleman for to come in.

If you had never seen United before this season you would have a point about the rb position. Niggling injuries and playing in a non settled back four all season have been his problems this season. Coleman is a brilliant rb but is not good enough to justify paying 20+ million for when he is marginally better than Rafael. On the other hand lb is a huge problem.

Backstreet Moyes

It was clear from last night that Kagawa is technically our best player. He was the only player calm on the ball and looked to make things happen.

Mr.Micro

Bandana boy wrote: »

In fairness it looks and sounds like you are prophesying Doom.
And instead of like most fans wishing that you are wrong and the club succeeds you are wishing said Doom so you can be proved right.

Ferguson retired. The fans need to get over that.....many clearly have not. Moyes might not be the fit, but he should be given a chance. He showed his style in the last few pl games and was impressive in the 2 legs against Bayern. Aside from that, he has not collapsed with all the disgusting vitriol he has had to endure. A man of character and dignity.

The_Kew_Tour

I cant agree with some saying we were "Impressive" over 2 legs. We hardly saw the ball.

redbaron_99

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

all my posts contain one consistent theme my friend, there's no mystery to them.
i cannot see a time where / when Moyes is a fit at United. Therefore every day he spends at the club is a day we fall further behind domestic and european rivals as far as i am concerned. Right now the club continue to back him, and thats their decision. so circumstances need to change before he is turfed out. i just hope we dont have to wait too long for this, and hopefully he wont have blown too much cash while we await his exit. Simples..

You are the worst type of football fan there is.

sigmundv

bassy wrote: »

Jose mourhino Jose mouhwinner

Jose Mouwhinger you mean.

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I cant agree with some saying we were "Impressive" over 2 legs. We hardly saw the ball.

Were United impressive in the CL in 2008?

Pro. F

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Pro F is underestimating Kagawa's performance last night, essentially all Fletcher and Carrick did was sit in front of the back four, Kagawa had to retain possession and provide a focus of attack while being continuously pressed by Kroos, Gotze & Muller.

He failed. We were passed off the park and beaten 3-1. A suitably athletic player for the wide position Kagawa was in would have been much more useful.

The_Kew_Tour

Liam O wrote: »

Were United impressive in the CL in 2008?

First 30 minutes we were sensational could have been 3 up.

Chelsea came into it. Hit post twice, but we also had a chance headed of the line by Terry.

Overall I thought it was very close.

Why you ask?

Backstreet Moyes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

First 30 minutes we were sensational could have been 3 up.

Chelsea came into it. Hit post twice, but we also had a chance headed of the line by Terry.

Overall I thought it was very close.

Why you ask?

We spent 180 minutes against Barca chasing shadows.

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Utopia Parkway

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

I think it's a bit of a dangerous attitude to take that this was somehow a freak season for United and they will automatically be back near the top again next season. City and Chelsea will both strengthen. City probably at the back and Chelsea will definitely have much better striking options next season. Liverpool will strengthen quite a bit. Arsenal probably a bit unknown at the moment. Will Wenger stay or not? But they will spend money. Spurs have a good squad and may have a good manager for a change next season. Everton will be good again if they can somehow hang onto some of their loanees or get new ones.

United are obviously going to spend as well but I think it's a bit of a reach to say they will be automatically up near the top next season. They could be but no guarantees anymore.

Liverpool are about as good in attack as they can possibly be this season. Defence is their biggest worry next season and I can't see the players coming in to improve that sufficiently. United will have the players to do it, it will all come down to how well Moyes handles them. It will be his team and his setup, I felt this season there are/were legitimate excuses as to what has happened, next season there's none for not challenging at the top. Anything other than top 3 and a decent showing in every other competition will be unacceptable in my eyes.

Pro. F

Nuts102 wrote: »

We spent 180 minutes against Barca chasing shadows.

And so what does that prove? That teams who park the bus can sometimes get a result, or that parking the bus is impressive since it worked a few times when we had Ronaldo?

The_Kew_Tour

Nuts102 wrote: »

We spent 180 minutes against Barca chasing shadows.

The same 180 minutes where Barca scored the grand total of 0 goals.

Barca had lot of the ball in Nou Camp but we had best chances in both games if my memory is correct.

I would guess Barca possession in Nou camp was around 70-75%, but our tactical performance was the right one.

We used the ball 10 times more effectively in 2008 then we did last night.

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

And so what does that prove? That teams who park the bus can sometimes get a result, or that parking the bus is impressive since it worked a few times when we had Ronaldo?

Ronaldo did nothing in that 180 minutes. Mourinho won the CL playing similar tactics against Pep's Barca so it's something proven to work against his teams in Europe and it nearly did again but for poor concentration.

The_Kew_Tour

Liam O wrote: »

Ronaldo did nothing in that 180 minutes. Mourinho won the CL playing similar tactics against Pep's Barca so it's something proven to work against his teams in Europe and it nearly did again but for poor concentration.

Why did you bring up 08 final?

DM_7

I was very happy with Kagawa last night. Sure he had to work hard and go backwards but I'm not sure how that is a negative against him and suggests he can't play out wide for United. If United intend to gt the team to a level where hey can take a game to the best teams then he wouldn't have to defend as much. But he would be attacking more where he excels.


For me now that Mata is at United, Kagawa leaving would be the biggest disappointment possible this summer.

Lord TSC

I still am not getting my hopes with with regards Moyes and Kagawa.

The fact that Young and RVP are hurt, Mata was I eligible, Nani is Nani, and Giggs was pulled off in the last game, Moyes didn't have many choices. Hopefully I am won't but still wouldn't be shocked to see him go in the summer if Moyes stays

redbaron_99

Kagawa was the only United player last night that when the ball came to him I thought "okay, he'll at least keep it for a few seconds or find someone with a pass". I didn't feel confident in anyone else really.

Maybe it's been mentioned already, but the amount of time Carrick was caught in possession last night was criminal. It's tragic that our midfield has been allowed to rot the way it has.

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Why did you bring up 08 final?

I meant the competition in general, never mentioned the final, as a comparison between last night and that semi final, there is very little difference other than the loss of concentration after the goal. Moirinho said it before when asked how far he could go in the tournament. It was along the lines of 'maybe quarters, maybe final, who knows, small margins at this stage'. This is a sentiment I'd agree with when looking at last night. Got very close to knocking them out, a lot closer than expected.

WallyGUFC

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Ferguson retired. The fans need to get over that.....many clearly have not. Moyes might not be the fit, but he should be given a chance. He showed his style in the last few pl games and was impressive in the 2 legs against Bayern. Aside from that, he has not collapsed with all the disgusting vitriol he has had to endure. A man of character and dignity.

What about the previous ~25 games of the season?
We bet West Ham away, Newcastle away, Villa at home. Hardly inspiring.

masti123

David Moyes needs to be sacked at the end of the season and we MUST stop him from being given another season. It's naive to think he'll be sacked as Christmas if things don't improve. What are we going to do then? He's spent all the money. No top manager will be available, it'll be a season under a care taker manager. The club wouldn't tarnish their reputation doing that, they'd just keep David Moyes for the whole season and that's the worry. If David Moyes isn't sacked at the end of the season he'll get ANOTHER WHOLE SEASON!

It's time us Manchester United fans swallowed our pride and showed the owners and board that we are not happy with David Moyes. It's not enough to do it on social media, it needs to be evident at Old Trafford. Moyes is a mediocre manager and we are not a mediocre club but with him we will become one. He is holding us back like he held Everton back, just look at the this season. Moyes inherited champions and Martinez inherited a much worse team but they're above us, playing beautiful football while we're playing defensive old-Everton football. It's NOT good enough and the longer we allow this the harder it'll be to get out.

Moyes is the reason for this apparent 'need to rebuild', Sir Alex wrote that he was very confident he'd left the club in a very strong position with the right balance between old and young players. Moyes started the season saying he was happy with his squad, covering for the fact Fellaini was a panic buy yet, 7 months later, he's saying even Sir Alex would struggle with this side. THE MAN'S A JOKE!

It's amazing how many STILL want to give him time when he's proven all season he's not even a top four manager, let alone capable of fulfilling the requirements of a club like United where a season not finishing first is not good enough. He's a loser and we're winners and we deserve better.

Klopp, Van Gaal, de Boer, Simeone... any of these are an improvement over Moyes and a few will be available and actively looking for a job. F**king get one in then United!

Backstreet Moyes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The same 180 minutes where Barca scored the grand total of 0 goals.

Barca had lot of the ball in Nou Camp but we had best chances in both games if my memory is correct.

I would guess Barca possession in Nou camp was around 70-75%, but our tactical performance was the right one.

We used the ball 10 times more effectively in 2008 then we did last night.

I responded to your statement that we barely saw the ball over the two legs. My point is we barely saw the ball over those two legs against Barca. We played better against Barca i will agree some difference having Scholes in your team and Ronaldo.

But over both legs against Bayern i thought it was impressive. I would argue over both legs we had more clear cut chances despite their possession. Bayern started creating chances late in the game when Evra and Vidic were wrecked.

Pro. F

DM-ICE wrote: »

I was very happy with Kagawa last night. Sure he had to work hard and go backwards but I'm not sure how that is a negative against him and suggests he can't play out wide for United.

I explained the issue that I saw with Kagawa playing wide simply enough. You are ignoring that issue completely in your post.

DM-ICE wrote: »

If United intend to gt the team to a level where hey can take a game to the best teams then he wouldn't have to defend as much. But he would be attacking more where he excels.

If United go down the Guardiola complete possession domination route I could see Kagawa on the wing being worthwhile. Anything short of that and he will always be a compromise out there imo.

redbaron_99

masti123 wrote: »

he held Everton back,

I know you're only a teenager, but you should learn a little before you say things like this. David Moyes took over Everton when they were an absolute shambles. They had been on the brink of relegation. They were broke. Their team was useless and disjointed. He rebuilt them, on a small budget, and made them the team you see today.
Martinez has done brilliantly this season on the back Moyes' hard work over many, many years.

Some of the insults thrown at him by United fans is disgusting at times.

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

He failed. We were passed off the park and beaten 3-1. A suitably athletic player for the wide position Kagawa was in would have been much more useful.

Whenever he received the ball, (which Carrick was supposed to be providing but ****ed it up for most of the night) He never once lost it and he created three excellent chances, one in particular where he danced through the midfield like they were not even there. To state he failed is an exaggeration considering what he was up against, one man alone was never going to dominate the trio in midfield for Munich but I would like you to pick out this supposed 'suitably athletic player for the wide position' and explain exactly why this said player would have been more useful?

GavRedKing

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