Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

IE 222

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

So they have found some possible burnt wreckage of MH370.
And they have extended the search till December ..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37333762

Looks more like paint or some sort of oil/grease stain. I would expect the whole thing to be burnt and not leave clean lines between the black and white parts. Would expect to see more smudging between the 2 and his finger prints, Marks or blistering. Not sure what kind of fire could have such a major impact on the plane but allowed it fly for another 7hours.

LordSutch

EI-DOR wrote: »

No, weather was grand apparently. Sat Image took 9 hours ago of that area. No cloud over the area!

Three years later . . . . .
If only this picture resolution was better.

nc6000

Australia is mounting a case for a new search effort for MH370 bolstered by “important new information” about what investigators believe to have happened at the end of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight.

A new report by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) suggests the plane was in a “high and increasing rate of descent” at the time of its final satellite communications, and that the right outboard wing flap found on Pemba island was not deployed at the time of the crash.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/02/mh370-australia-new-search-data-plane-plummeted-ocean

nc6000

Underwater search for flight MH370 called off:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/underwater-search-for-flight-mh370-called-off-1.2939893

PukkaStukka

MH370 families in campaign to fund search for plane - RTE News

http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2017/0304/857173-mh370

nc6000

MH370: satellite images show 'probably man-made' objects floating in sea

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/16/french-images-bolster-theory-mh370-crashed-north-of-search-area#img-1

PukkaStukka

nc6000 wrote: »

MH370: satellite images show 'probably man-made' objects floating in sea

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/16/french-images-bolster-theory-mh370-crashed-north-of-search-area#img-1

I'm somewhat confused by this. These satellite images were taken soon after the crash yet their emergence and potential relevance is only coming to light now. The Austrailians were pushing hard for the search area to be shifted north of where it was, and these pics could've aided their cause. So why wait until now to put these in the Public domain?.

IE 222

PukkaStukka wrote: »

I'm somewhat confused by this. These satellite images were taken soon after the crash yet their emergence and potential relevance is only coming to light now. The Austrailians were pushing hard for the search area to be shifted north of where it was, and these pics could've aided their cause. So why wait until now to put these in the Public domain?.

This was my thought as well and if I remember correctly most image's of the area at the time came from French satellite's so why this ones only emerging now is baffling.

Has there been any new finds in the past 6 months there was a period last year of pieces washing up every few weeks but that's gone very quite now.

dog_pig

EI-DOR wrote: »

No, weather was grand apparently. Sat Image took 9 hours ago of that area. No cloud over the area!

Why is the date on this today's date?

faoiarvok

dog_pig wrote: »

Why is the date on this today's date?

I imagine it's a link to an image that is replaced regularly, rather than to the version of the image that was there when the comment was posted.

Comhrá

http://www.airlive.net/breaking-malaysia-confirms-search-for-missing-mh370-to-resume-by-private-company/

Blut2

Comhra wrote: »

http://www.airlive.net/breaking-malaysia-confirms-search-for-missing-mh370-to-resume-by-private-company/

"The company earlier offered to take up the $200 million search for free, amid claims experts have pinpointed the crash site."

Thats interesting. They must be fairly confident they have an idea where it is if they're offering to do the search for free? (and presumably profit somehow afterwards?)

pjproby

Anyway just to keep the conspiracy theorists happy in today's (26/11/2017) Sunday Times magazine, in an interview with the historian Norman Davies, he states that MH370 was carrying either sensitive material/personnel and was subject to two hack attempts, the first to divert it to Diego Garcia and the second to stop it getting there.
No link unfortunately, you could buy it, but there is no elaboration. He is no quack.

PukkaStukka

There has been a development concerning the search for MH370. It appears the Malaysian government has signed a deal with Ocean Infinity to commence a fresh search for the aircraft.

See here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42632650

jimbis

Looks promising, the company must be fairly confident on finding it..... Or they're just taking a big gamble but I imagine it's a costly one.

Nesta99

Not the most credible of websites but interesting nonetheless. With the private search due to conclude soon hopefully wreckage will be found and there will be some conclusion to this sad mystery!

http://www.lolwot.com/mh370-investigators-believe-theyve-solved-the-mystery/

Kuva

Nesta99 wrote: »

Not the most credible of websites but interesting nonetheless. With the private search due to conclude soon hopefully wreckage will be found and there will be some conclusion to this sad mystery!

http://www.lolwot.com/mh370-investigators-believe-theyve-solved-the-mystery/

Murder suicide by the Pilot, even tipped the plane twice to look out the window at his home town on the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/05/14/mh370-experts-think-theyve-finally-solved-the-mystery-of-the-doomed-malaysia-airlines-flight/?utm_term=.6da95a438307

feargale

Since some flotsam from the aircraft has been recovered in Madagascar and nearby places why don't they put brightly coloured floating markers in various parts of the Indian Ocean and see where they turn up and how long it takes? Admittedly it would take time but that is academic now and nothing else has worked.

mickmackey1

Kuva wrote: »

Murder suicide by the Pilot, even tipped the plane twice to look out the window at his home town on the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/05/14/mh370-experts-think-theyve-finally-solved-the-mystery-of-the-doomed-malaysia-airlines-flight/?utm_term=.6da95a438307

It's just a theory. Why not just crash the plane immediately rather than fly on indefinitely? And why did the other crew not do anything when the course was changed.

nc6000

mickmackey1 wrote: »

It's just a theory. Why not just crash the plane immediately rather than fly on indefinitely? And why did the other crew not do anything when the course was changed.

His intent could well have been to also leave behind an unsolved mystery.

mickmackey1

nc6000 wrote: »

His intent could well have been to also leave behind an unsolved mystery.

I don't think he could have predicted that it would not be found. Only an expert in military surveillance knows what satellites are up there and what they are capable of monitoring.

KoolKid

He would have had to lock himself alone in the cockpit. What's the odd of the Co pilot leaving the cockpit the moment they were leaving Malaysia air space.
Would he have then had to leave the cockpit to turn off the Acars?

PukkaStukka

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Only an expert in military surveillance knows what satellites are up there and what they are capable of monitoring.

Was thinking that myself, but then again, that part of the Indian ocean is so remote and away from anything that it's probably not really worth keeping an eye on with the sats.

mickmackey1

MH370 not deliberately crashed by pilot, say investigators -

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-44216778

Brennus335

mickmackey1 wrote: »

MH370 not deliberately crashed by pilot, say investigators -

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-44216778

Well, what they actually say is that it was not deliberately controlled "at the end". They make no claims or denials about deliberate actions prior to that.

mickmackey1

Brennus335 wrote: »

Well, what they actually say is that it was not deliberately controlled "at the end". They make no claims or denials about deliberate actions prior to that.

It's an important distinction though, because one of the main reasons put forward to explain the lack of wreckage is that it was glided into the water and would therefore have largely remained in one piece.

donkey balls

A former work colleague sent me this a while back.

From a 777 Captain.
Rgds.

My guess is Boeing never planned for this eventuality

As a 777 pilot I, like many others, have wondered how the 777 would perform in the scenario where the pilots were incapacitated and the aircraft ran out of fuel. I had my ideas but there is nothing like seeing it for "real" so we tried this in a 777-2 full motion zero flight time approved simulator.
We used a zero fuel weight of 175 tonnes. We let it run out of fuel at FL 250 in track hold and alt capture. However it would not make any difference what mode it was in as everything would drop out. In real life one engine uses fractionally more fuel per hour than the other and there is typically a difference between main tanks of a few hundred kilos, so we had a 300 kg difference between the contents of the left and right tank.
When the first engine failed TAC (Thrust asymmetry compensation) automatically applied rudder. The speed reduced from 320 knots indicated to 245 knots indicated. It was able to maintain 245 knots and FL250. When the second engine failed the rudder trim applied by TAC was taken out and the trim went to zero. The autopilot dropped out and the flight controls reverted to direct mode. The speed initially came back to 230 knots but then the nose started to lower. The nose continued to lower and the rate of descent increased to 4,000 feet per minute, the nose kept lowering and the descent rate increased to 7,500 feet per minute with a bank angle that increased to 25 degrees. The speed at this point had increased to 340 knots indicated, above VMO but there was no horn as it was on limited electrics.
About this point the RAT (Ram air turbine) chipped in and the CDUs and copilot's PFD (Primary flight display) came alive. The flight controls stayed in direct mode. The eicas screen was full of messages like pitot heat, flight controls, APU fault (The APU had tried to autostart due double engine failure but failed due no fuel to start it) low fuel pressure etc.

Then with a max descent rate of almost 8,000 feet per minute the nose started to slowly rise and keep rising. We had dropped to about FL170 but the nose slowly rose up to 6 degrees pitch up and we started climbing at about 3000 feet per minute and the bank angle reduced to only 5 degrees.

It climbed back up to FL210 at which point the speed had come back to 220 knots and then the nose dropped down again and we were soon back to descending at 8000 feet per minute. So basically a series of phugoid oscillations with bank angle between 5 and 25 degrees and pitch attitude between about 9 degrees nose down and 6 degrees pitch up. It was losing about 8000 feet and then gaining about 3 or 4000 feet with airspeed fluctuating between 220
and 340 knots.
We didn't watch it all the way down due time constraints and stopped the experiment at 10,000 feet but it was consistent all the way down. Having watched it I can say with certainty that if the pilots were incapacitated and it ran out of fuel there is no way it could have landed on the water with anything like a survivable impact.

irishrover99

This guy must have been at sea for 5 years and is only able to share his information now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6597725/Fisherman-claims-SAW-MH370-recorded-EXACT-location-GPS.html

martinsvi

irishrover99 wrote: »

This guy must have been at sea for 4 years and is only able to share his information now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6597725/Fisherman-claims-SAW-MH370-recorded-EXACT-location-GPS.html

If I remember correctly there were a few reports of witnesses claiming they have seen it go down at around that area from their vessels, the initial search area was riddled with all sorts of debris and oil slicks, none of which was proven to be from the crashed aircraft. The search of around 600 square mile area ended abruptly in just a few days when the focus shifted to Indian ocean. It is possible that this man already reported his sightings before but no-one was listening to him. Whether he's telling the truth or not, I don't think it would hurt to have another look at Andaman sea.

roundymac

irishrover99 wrote: »

This guy must have been at sea for 5 years and is only able to share his information now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6597725/Fisherman-claims-SAW-MH370-recorded-EXACT-location-GPS.html

Its the Daily Mail FFS.