Healthy Eating

Damo810

Bananas are the highest in sugar iirc. It's crazy how different some people are though, I eat north of 7000 calories and for the life of me can't put on fat..

biddy2013

and avocadoes and coconuts are very fattening too. I have discivered pomello, its a cross between an orange and a grapefruit, lidl do them and they are yummy

bbam

biddy2013 wrote: »

and avocadoes and coconuts are very fattening too. I have discivered pomello, its a cross between an orange and a grapefruit, lidl do them and they are yummy

OK..
But we're talking every day stuff.. Apples, Pears, Banannas, Oranges, Grapes, Grapefruit, Kiwi, Plums.. It couldn't be said that coconuts and avocadoes are typical fruit eating for the Irish population, I even lived in Louth for a while and I can honestly say I never saw a local eating either..

biddy2013

bbam wrote: »

OK..
But we're talking every day stuff.. Apples, Pears, Banannas, Oranges, Grapes, Grapefruit, Kiwi, Plums.. It couldn't be said that coconuts and avocadoes are typical fruit eating for the Irish population, I even lived in Louth for a while and I can honestly say I never saw a local eating either..

ah i know, only buy avocadoes if aldi have them on offer:D

Genghis Cant

On paper it's relatively easy to balance the energy equation. If you're taking in more energy than you're burning, you'll gain mass. If you burn more energy than you consume, you're in deficit. You'll lose mass.
In reality though it can be much more difficult, given age, lifestyle, sex and probably a genetic factor too.

ABlur

Damo810 wrote: »

Bananas are the highest in sugar iirc. It's crazy how different some people are though, I eat north of 7000 calories and for the life of me can't put on fat..

Jaysus what does your average dinner consist of to make up those calorie figures ?

Genghis Cant

ABlur wrote: »

Jaysus what does your average dinner consist of to make up those calorie figures ?

Ian Thorp said in an interview he was eating over 10000 kCal a day when training. Pizza made up a lot of it!

Juniorhurler

Damo810 wrote: »

Bananas are the highest in sugar iirc. It's crazy how different some people are though, I eat north of 7000 calories and for the life of me can't put on fat..

7000 is massive. In my twenties I reckon I ate about 5000 every day and with the training I was doing it wasn't a problem. At 31 and almost 17 stone I realised it was. I now eat roughly 2500 per day obeying a simple couple of rules. Eat food, not too much, mostly vegetables. I now weigh just over 13 stone. Boredom eating is the biggest problem I had and I teckon most people have too. I used to sit down on long winter evenings and eat like a savage. Now I avoid sitting down so much and after a big battle witg myself have kicked the boredom eating. It was harder than giving up the fags by far.

bbam

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Ian Thorp said in an interview he was eating over 10000 kCal a day when training. Pizza made up a lot of it!

But we're not all Ian Thorpe..
For the average person with huge expenditure and consumption the problem hits when the huge expenditure of calories comes to an end... it takes serious planning and discipline to reduce the calorie intake to match the drop in activity, fine for Ian Thorp as he probably has his own dietician, exercise team and its all planned.. But for the average Joe Shmow it typically leads to serious weight gain..

As for the genetics aspect... Mrs tells me that less than 5% of the population stay thin or gain weight based on their genes... For the rest of us its all down to hard work and ongoing discipline..

Damo810

I'd walk through it in all honesty, even if I was at nothing. Boredom eating would be part of it too but before I got sick about 2 weeks ago I was trying to get back into shape (not that I was fat, just unfit). Hopefully start up again this week now, don't want to go to the stage of doing feck all at collage and ending up overweight. I just have an awful fast metabolism though, I could have a big fry-up at half 8 and still be hungry by 11 :P

At 5' 10" and 11 stone (70kg) i'm not overweight at all. I would have been underweight if anything growing up. The plan was to add mass by weight lifting and eventually reach around 75kg-80kg while staying lean..

bbam

Damo810 wrote: »

I'd walk through it in all honesty, even if I was at nothing. Boredom eating would be part of it too but before I got sick about 2 weeks ago I was trying to get back into shape (not that I was fat, just unfit). Hopefully start up again this week now, don't want to go to the stage of doing feck all at collage and ending up overweight. I just have an awful fast metabolism though, I could have a big fry-up at half 8 and still be hungry by 11 :P

At 5' 10" and 11 stone (70kg) i'm not overweight at all. I would have been underweight if anything growing up. The plan was to add mass by weight lifting and eventually reach around 75kg-80kg while staying lean..

I get from your college comment that your on the younger side.. Your metabilism takes stepped drops about each decade birthday.. So when your north of 40 its a tad harder to drop a few lbs

Zr105

bbam wrote: »

But we're not all Ian Thorpe..
For the average person with huge expenditure and consumption the problem hits when the huge expenditure of calories comes to an end... it takes serious planning and discipline to reduce the calorie intake to match the drop in activity, fine for Ian Thorp as he probably has his own dietician, exercise team and its all planned.. But for the average Joe Shmow it typically leads to serious weight gain..

As for the genetics aspect... Mrs tells me that less than 5% of the population stay thin or gain weight based on their genes... For the rest of us its all down to hard work and ongoing discipline..

would have always gained weight over the winter as a young lad for that very reason, never been big into sport or anything,but during the summer id have been out and working, then over winter it would be sit around in school then home and do dam all really, but all the time diet would never have changed..

tipping about 95kg atm, dont eat much junk food but always would have eaten a good dinner, but lately trying to cut back on it abit and combined with being out working the hole time now starting to drop a bit of weight thanfully!

ABlur

As for the genetics aspect... Mrs tells me that less than 5% of the population stay thin or gain weight based on their genes... For the rest of us its all down to hard work and ongoing discipline..[/quote]

Would agree there. I can recall college where a fat person would be the exception now its almost the norm. I was in Gmit lately and couldn't get over the levels of overweight students, Mind you the canteen food had a lot to answer for, pure muck. Do students eat that canteen/takeaway stuff all the time or does anyone cook their own food anymore? Oh and the student carpark there was full suppose no one cycles anymore?

Juniorhurler

ABlur wrote: »

As for the genetics aspect... Mrs tells me that less than 5% of the population stay thin or gain weight based on their genes... For the rest of us its all down to hard work and ongoing discipline..

Would agree there. I can recall college where a fat person would be the exception now its almost the norm. I was in Gmit lately and couldn't get over the levels of overweight students, Mind you the canteen food had a lot to answer for, pure muck. Do students eat that canteen/takeaway stuff all the time or does anyone cook their own food anymore? Oh and the student carpark there was full suppose no one cycles anymore?[/QUOTE]

I work with teenagers all day as a secondary school teacher. The food choices are ridiculous. It mainly comes from home. Very few bring a packed lunch. Chicken fillet rolls are the norm unfortunately.

Damo810

Juniorhurler wrote: »

I work with teenagers all day as a secondary school teacher. The food choices are ridiculous. It mainly comes from home. Very few bring a packed lunch. Chicken fillet rolls are the norm unfortunately.

And chips would be the big thing here too now that a local shop will deliver them up, with rolls etc. Bananas and ham sandwiches here. Plenty would be having crisps etc at break, I used to be the same when younger but i'd be starving after so that had to change! In all honesty it's now wonder so many are overweight when they pare their diet with little to no exercise..

Funnily enough this showed up on my FB newsfeed just now

Genghis Cant

bbam wrote: »

But we're not all Ian Thorpe..
For the average person with huge expenditure and consumption the problem hits when the huge expenditure of calories comes to an end... it takes serious planning and discipline to reduce the calorie intake to match the drop in activity, fine for Ian Thorp as he probably has his own dietician, exercise team and its all planned.. But for the average Joe Shmow it typically leads to serious weight gain..

As for the genetics aspect... Mrs tells me that less than 5% of the population stay thin or gain weight based on their genes... For the rest of us its all down to hard work and ongoing discipline..

There's only one Ian Thorp. The point I was making is that even if you are consuming 10000 Kcals, but burning it, you will have no net gain.

I mentioned genetics too, but at the end of the list and preceeded with "probably". I'm not for a second suggesting genetics has a massive role, but it does have a role.
There's a ticking timebomb goin on in this country at the moment, the odd school run I do is some eye opener. It aint the kids fault, but it's them that's goin to pay a heavy toll.

TEAT SQUEEZER

Genghis Cant wrote: »

There's only one Ian Thorp. The point I was making is that even if you are consuming 10000 Kcals, but burning it, you will have no net gain.

I mentioned genetics too, but at the end of the list and preceeded with "probably". I'm not for a second suggesting genetics has a massive role, but it does have a role.
There's a ticking timebomb goin on in this country at the moment, the odd school run I do is some eye opener. It aint the kids fault, but it's them that's goin to pay a heavy toll.

agree... schools have a healthy eating policy re lunches but parents totally disregard it if reports from our little ones are accurate ...

Genghis Cant

TEAT SQUEEZER wrote: »

agree... schools have a healthy eating policy re lunches but parents totally disregard it if reports from our little ones are accurate ...

Only last week in my local school they had a Vegetable tasting themed event. I thought it was a great idea, it think it's an ongoing thing where the kids have to simply taste a wide variety of fruit/veg over time.
The buck stops at home though!

biddy2013

TEAT SQUEEZER wrote: »

agree... schools have a healthy eating policy re lunches but parents totally disregard it if reports from our little ones are accurate ...

OUR school has a healthy eating policy. youngestt lad has me driven mental each morning, is this healthy etc. Daughter has been known to throw out what i have packed and put crap in her lunch box:mad: Last year when eldest lad was in 6th class, i would make a sandwich for him and he would have blueberries or sugar snap peas in his lunch box too. 4 out of the 5 days the dog would get his lunch so he was eating nothing from 8.30am til 3pm:(

bbam

Tough going getting them right. Sister has similar trouble with her lass.

Beautiful morning here. Just collected eldest from swimming and doing school run. Pancake mix done and in the fridge for evening, yum, love pancakes. !!

reilig

On the food issue, a dietician that I know says that eating too much fruit every day is a direct path to diabetes in later life. We see the very much promoted idea of "5 portions of fruit and veg per day". It's well spoken about in dietician communities that this should be a maximum of 2 portions of fruit and 3 of veg. Even 1 portion of fruit per day is enough to give you all of the vitamins and anti-oxidants that your body needs to stay healthy.

It's something to be weary about - someone mentioned in a post earlier that their family have 100 portions of fruit per week. Unless there are 10 people in the family, it's something that you need to reconsider.

Healthy diet is simple - more green veg, minimal fruit, minimal dairy, 3 portions of red meat per week, 4 portions of chicken or fish. No processed food! Everything is gone processed for convenience these days. Sugar added for taste because the processing removes the taste. Imagine that in some supermarkets you can buy prepacked raw salmon, ready for cooking, which has sugar added to it for taste.

bbam

reilig wrote: »

On the food issue, a dietician that I know says that eating too much fruit every day is a direct path to diabetes in later life. We see the very much promoted idea of "5 portions of fruit and veg per day". It's well spoken about in dietician communities that this should be a maximum of 2 portions of fruit and 3 of veg. Even 1 portion of fruit per day is enough to give you all of the vitamins and anti-oxidants that your body needs to stay healthy.

It's something to be weary about - someone mentioned in a post earlier that their family have 100 portions of fruit per week. Unless there are 10 people in the family, it's something that you need to reconsider.

Healthy diet is simple - more green veg, minimal fruit, minimal dairy, 3 portions of red meat per week, 4 portions of chicken or fish. No processed food! Everything is gone processed for convenience these days. Sugar added for taste because the processing removes the taste. Imagine that in some supermarkets you can buy prepacked raw salmon, ready for cooking, which has sugar added to it for taste.

My OH is a dietician and I know quite a few more. Never heard a word of that !!

Like I said earlier. There are a serious number of over weight adults and even more kids, and I'd wager that none are overweight from the fruit they eat.
OH does regular diabetic clinics and is 20 years qualified and I've never heard her come home and say fruit was becoming a problem.
On the other hand, crisps, minerals, chips, ready meals and generally eating too much processed foods and a lack of exercise is just killing our population. They had a young mother of a baby under one explaining how the baby loved skips to chew on !! It seems irish people in general have developed a very warped relationship with food and it's not good for us.

reilig

bbam wrote: »

My OH is a dietician and I know quite a few more. Never heard a word of that !!

Like I said earlier. There are a serious number of over weight adults and even more kids, and I'd wager that none are overweight from the fruit they eat.
OH does regular diabetic clinics and is 20 years qualified and I've never heard her come home and say fruit was becoming a problem.

My sister is the dietician that I was talking about and she specialises in treating diabetes sufferers. I should know, I'm one of them

Muckit

Would it possible rovi/ reilig to move all the healthy eating posts into its own tread? Very important subject and has opened up much debate.

Personally feel with the best intentions in the world, ut is getting increasingly harder to eat healthier, or rather be 100% positive what we're eating is, well, what we are eating (if that makes sense! )

Fruit is good for you, but like everything. ... in moderation! Fructose are natural sugars. Too much not good. Also citrus juices are acidic. My oul lad could empty the fruit bowl in a day, no problems with his backend, but he's now a diabetic.

Portion size is the big one IMO. Get that right and your well on the way to keeping in good physical health.

Also I would feel very strongly about home economics being made COMPULSORY for all children in secondary school, if not also national school (may b more h&s issues).

It is one of the basic necessities in life. Scary to think that just as many people die of obesity as hunger in the world.

Round Bale

Muckit wrote: »

Would it possible rovi/ reilig to move all the healthy eating posts into its own tread? Very important subject and has opened up much debate.

Personally feel with the best intentions in the world, ut is getting increasingly harder to eat healthier, or rather be 100% positive what we're eating is, well, what we are eating (if that makes sense! )

Fruit is good for you, but like everything. ... in moderation! Fructose are natural sugars. Too much not good. Also citrus juices are acidic. My oul lad could empty the fruit bowl in a day, no problems with his backend, but he's now a diabetic.

Portion size is the big one IMO. Get that right and your well on the way to keeping in good physical health.

Also I would feel very strongly about home economics being made COMPULSORY for all children in secondary school, if not also national school (may b more h&s issues).

It is one of the basic necessities in life. Scary to think that just as many people die of obesity as hunger in the world.

Surely we need to encourage more people to eat more and more Irish red meat.
QA standards and traceability are best in class of all foods.
Most fruit is imported and much of it from markets with far lower controls on production.
Laced with pesticides etc.
Lovely stuff to look at. Cauliflower, broccoli, lettuce, cabbages, etc, with not a single slug or snail. Half poison in my opinion!

GrandSoftDay

Round Bale wrote: »

Surely we need to encourage more people to eat more and more Irish red meat.
QA standards and traceability are best in class of all foods.
Most fruit is imported and much of it from markets with far lower controls on production.
Laced with pesticides etc.
Lovely stuff to look at. Cauliflower, broccoli, lettuce, cabbages, etc, with not a single slug or snail. Half poison in my opinion!

Im no expert on the subject but I wouldnt say imported foods are to blame for the problems. A lot has to do with processed sh*te food and quick and easy to cook fried food and pizzas etc.

hugo29

its also to do with lifestyle

we mostly all probably grew up with a stay at home mother and there was always a fresh home cooked dinner on the table, (mostly spuds from the farm) a healthy breakfast before heading out the door and a packed lunch , no sweets or chocolate as we couldnt afford them every day. bread was home cooked, buns as a treat were home cooked, apple tart the same for a sunday treat

now before anyone gets upset im not saying all mothers should stay at home, they work just as hard now to help keep the family afloat and the easy going irish way of life has drifted into the background to help keep commercial ireland afloat

we reap what we sow folks

onyerbikepat

A big bowl of porridge for breakfast, no fizzy drinks and plenty exercise. Them's the rules I live by.:D

Says he after downing a burger and chip and a few free pancakes from the local cafe.

Sam Kade

biddy2013 wrote: »

Which is why the Irish mammies love them soooooooooooo much!

it is true the skinny minnies are nearly all the eastern european women, also i never see any of them at slimming world so i must try and get their secret, coul save me a few bob[/QUOTE]

It's no secret Biddy eat less move more and if you could do some cardio exercise to get the heart working harder for 20 minutes a day you won't look back. I lost 3 stone over 5 months and kept it off since doing that. No gimmicks or spending money just willpower.

Damo810

reilig wrote: »

My sister is the dietician that I was talking about and she specialises in treating diabetes sufferers. I should know, I'm one of them

As am I, and no doubt my high eating is linked to it, as before I went on insulin i'd eat nothing outside of my breakfast. It's scary though, how common it's becoming. Last year there was 4 or 5 in a school of 600..