Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

TallGlass

0-6 Dub 0-4 Der

Slattsy

Rory O'Carroll best defender in the Country by a long way.
Oozes class.

TallGlass

0-7 Dub 0-4 Der

TallGlass

0-8 Dub 0-4 Der

Dan Chipowski

They may send that tape straight off to Guantanamo Bay. Couldn't see anyone lasting through that more than once.

Slattsy

A wins a win, lot of improvement to come.

Puke Ulster football will only get ye so far. Embarrassing stuff.

Slattsy

Bollox. Forgot its Monaghan next week. More Ulster shíte.

But i'll be in Munich on my stag so thankfully wont get to see it

corny

Don't understand the Ulster talk tbh Dublin were doing the exact the same thing to Derry for much of the game. Small played as a free defender, both midfielders planted themselves on the 40, Flynn played an inordinate amount of time in his own full back line and the of the forwards worked hard to funnel back. Seems the crowd booing the Derry lads didn't realise this either. Anyway, only a matter of time before every team in the country adopts the blanket defence or an intimation of it because it works. Ball carriers have no chance when surrounded by 6 or 7 disciplined defenders.

Conditions were bad. Can't believe Connolly was given MOTM. He spent half of the game either standing still or walking. His points seem to glossing over this for now. McCaffrey was my MOTM.

corny

If ever a game demonstrated why its important to be playing Div 1A hurling it was todays. Limerick were well off the pace and Dublin were far sharper.

Racking up impressive totals recently. Mark Schutte was epic. Looking forward to the semi. We'll be tough to beat at least.

Stoner

Man that was a low scoring game. I think Rock got half our scores. Both teams were very defensive.

Won't do us any harm later on in the year McCaffery was my man of the match. McGoldrick was good for them.

Thought Fenton was alright when he came on, he has the build for it.

Goes to show you all the same that rocks stock goes up in these defensive games. Even though his contribution to general play is less than average.

Costello did well when he came on. Thought Andrews was OK too.
Thought Kilkenny had a good first half.

Some win for the hurlers too. Nearly a digging match in the crowd beside me. All ended well though .

Slattsy

Am i the only one concerned with Brogans form lads?? I said it a while ago, i think he's gone to the dawgs lately, doesnt even look fit.

CurryFlavoured

Slattsy wrote: »

Am i the only one concerned with Brogans form lads?? I said it a while ago, i think he's gone to the dawgs lately, doesnt even look fit.

You're not. I brought it up a week or 2 ago.

Kavrocks

corny wrote: »

Anyway, only a matter of time before every team in the country adopts the blanket defence or an intimation of it because it works. Ball carriers have no chance when surrounded by 6 or 7 disciplined defenders.

Conditions were bad. Can't believe Connolly was given MOTM. He spent half of the game either standing still or walking. His points seem to glossing over this for now. McCaffrey was my MOTM.

McCaffrey spent most of his time running at those 6 or 7 defenders and getting nothing out of it. Connolly scored which today was a huge achievement for anybody.

I'd have given MOTM to Costello though, came on and scored a great point to level it and then won a great free for us to go a point ahead. After that Derry had to come looking for scores which opened them up and let us tap on a few more.

It wasn't a great match but it was quite interesting to watch tactically. 4 very poor misses from Dublin in the first 10 minutes allowed Derry to put up the blanket and prevent us from playing. I do think Gavin is learning how to beat the Ulster blanket and is slowly enacting a plan. It seemed to me that he has more than a few ideas of how to beat it and that could be seen today.

Kavrocks

corny wrote: »

Racking up impressive totals recently. Mark Schutte was epic. Looking forward to the semi. We'll be tough to beat at least.

Yeah I have to agree we've certainly scored well this year even when we lost to Cork and Clare we put up nice totals. In the last 2 games Mark Schutte has been immense. I'd always be the first to criticise him but credit where credit is due I thought he fully deserved MOTM.

homeofhurling

corny wrote: »

If ever a game demonstrated why its important to be playing Div 1A hurling it was todays. Limerick were well off the pace and Dublin were far sharper.

Racking up impressive totals recently. Mark Schutte was epic. Looking forward to the semi. We'll be tough to beat at least.

league is funny hard to see that cork hurl over 34 points again Dublin not so long ago, Limerick are poor enough as Offaly beat them at home 2 weeks ago.

TCDStudent1

corny wrote: »

If ever a game demonstrated why its important to be playing Div 1A hurling it was todays. Limerick were well off the pace and Dublin were far sharper.

Racking up impressive totals recently. Mark Schutte was epic. Looking forward to the semi. We'll be tough to beat at least.

Was very impressed with Dublin too, but christ Limerick were woeful. Dublin's backs were first to every ball. Schutte had a great match - I saw Conal Keaney being brought over by TG4 and I was aghast that Schutte did not get MOTM until they explained he had to get treated for a cut. But I wonder why Limerick left Richie McCarthy on him for the whole match. I know Dublin were rotating their forwards a little but Schutte did most damage when Schutte on directly on McCarthy.

ProudDUB

Whoa, not sure how to feel about that 70 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

The positives....well, we won, but.....

Am not gonna go off on a rant about dem drated nordies and their duvets. Until someone, somewhere decides to come up with a rule change about limiting hand passes, or teams having to keep x amount of players in their own halves or whatever, this is the game plan that we must face from time to time. It is up to us to figure out how to confront it head on and defeat it.

So with that in mind....the stupid wides that we kicked from stupid angles, the amt of shots dropped clean into the Derry keepers hands, the amount of balls kicked in long to of BB and PA that just sailed in over their heads, the lack of patience, Rocks unwillingness to even attempt to take his man on and win some dirty ball (where for art thou Eoghan? oh how we miss thee) MDMA trying to take on 5 men and run the ball into the back of the net on his own, yeah, like THAT was gonna work....

Can't blame the blanket defense for any of that.

realmmafan

ProudDUB wrote: »

Whoa, not sure how to feel about that 70 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

The positives....well, we won, but.....

Am not gonna go off on a rant about dem drated nordies and their duvets. Until someone, somewhere decides to come up with a rule change about limiting hand passes, or teams having to keep x amount of players in their own halves or whatever, this is the game plan that we must face from time to time. It is up to us to figure out how to confront it head on and defeat it.

So with that in mind....the stupid wides that we kicked from stupid angles, the amt of shots dropped clean into the Derry keepers hands, the amount of balls kicked in long to of BB and PA that just sailed in over their heads, the lack of patience, Rocks unwillingness to even attempt to take his man on and win some dirty ball (where for art thou Eoghan? oh how we miss thee) MDMA trying to take on 5 men and run the ball into the back of the net on his own, yeah, like THAT was gonna work....

Can't blame the blanket defense for any of that.

I like the idea of limiting the hand passes as nothing is more exciting than the long ball colm Parkinson made the same point on allianz leagues extra but Richie Hogan made a very good point last week on the warning it may Have the opposite affect on the game

ThunbergsAreGo

Just watcing the match back now (missed it last night)

Think the referees have a big role to play in this blanket defence thing. They seem alot more reluctant to give frees. After about 65 minutes there should have been three clear fouls on Costello, none given. It almost like if they arent sure who fouls, they dont give it

copacetic

ProudDUB wrote: »

Whoa, not sure how to feel about that 70 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

The positives....well, we won, but.....

Am not gonna go off on a rant about dem drated nordies and their duvets. Until someone, somewhere decides to come up with a rule change about limiting hand passes, or teams having to keep x amount of players in their own halves or whatever, this is the game plan that we must face from time to time. It is up to us to figure out how to confront it head on and defeat it.

So with that in mind....the stupid wides that we kicked from stupid angles, the amt of shots dropped clean into the Derry keepers hands, the amount of balls kicked in long to of BB and PA that just sailed in over their heads, the lack of patience, Rocks unwillingness to even attempt to take his man on and win some dirty ball (where for art thou Eoghan? oh how we miss thee) MDMA trying to take on 5 men and run the ball into the back of the net on his own, yeah, like THAT was gonna work....

Can't blame the blanket defense for any of that.

Agreed Derry were woeful, but our lack of quality let them be. Better finishing and they would have had to come out and play a bit more instead of going backward all the time.
This was exactly the type of Game where you need an O'Gara as a different option for dirty ball and running through people like McCauley could do. The lack of men on shoulder for him was criminal. As he is left only being able to fist points.

Stoner

Have to agree with ProudDub. The game cried out for O'Gara's selfless play. Someone who is in the box. To collect high balls, bring others into the game, get on the end of kilkennys short attempts (he'd none yesterday) but Connelly, Brogan McManaman had and MDMAs point that came off the bar with nobody in the zone.

Costello came on and played in his position, Mannion offers that two.

How many times did MDMAs blistering runs end up with him swarmed by Derry players and him on his backside on the ground, we don't even get frees from it. He'll just have to learn to not do this against this type of setup it's like guys carrying the ball into the tackle against Tyrone back in the day, you just have to stop doing it.

In fairness to McCafferys, his runs took him past players and he did pass the ball and overlap, his plays did contribute to the win IMHO.

Dirty Dingus McGee

realmmafan wrote: »

I like the idea of limiting the hand passes as nothing is more exciting than the long ball colm Parkinson made the same point on allianz leagues extra but Richie Hogan made a very good point last week on the warning it may Have the opposite affect on the game

Limiting hand passes would make things worse.

The only way to beat a really good blanket defence is with hard running and short interchanges off hand passing, just like what Dublin did to Donegal in the 2011 semi final when Kevin McManamon was brought on.

the only thing in my opinion that would wok is a ban on the blanket defence with a rule that means there must be 5 players inside the 65 of the goal a team is attacking at all times.

Nidgeweasel

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And there's me thinking only 'de nordies' pull men back behind the ball.

Slattsy

The line looks about 2 meters off.

Looks like 5 Dublin players either in line with the ball or above it.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

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And there's me thinking only 'de nordies' pull men back behind the ball.

The reason Dublin pulled men back is because if they don't they'll get caught out like they did last year against Donegal.

The only way to beat a really good blanket defence is to replicate it.

Dublin wouldn't choose to play that way they just reacted to their opponents tactics.

Wacker The Attacker

I'm ashamed to admit that for the first time in my life I left a Dublin game early.
As if a game of ultimate puke football wasn't bad enough getting soaked and frozen to death was.

Nidgeweasel

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The only way to beat a really good blanket defence is to replicate it.

Derry?

corny

naughtb4 wrote: »

Just watcing the match back now (missed it last night)

Think the referees have a big role to play in this blanket defence thing. They seem alot more reluctant to give frees. After about 65 minutes there should have been three clear fouls on Costello, none given. It almost like if they arent sure who fouls, they dont give it

I didn't notice it last night tbh but i have in the past. They seem to allow far more hefty hits alright.

Of course i'm willing to concede it could be that teams playing the blanket defence are just better drilled in the tackle and know what they can get away with. I'm sure there's full training sessions devoted to it for the likes of Donegal. Sure just look at how good Dublin were at generating turnovers when Gilroy was in charge. We were best in the country at it.

Pierce_1991

I think what we saw last night was the first real snapshot of how we'd set up against these types of teams in the Championship. When Derry attacked we did pull a lot of players back. We tried to force a poor shot or win the ball and then attack with pace. There also seemed to be a real jolt in the side around the 62nd minute when we just kicked on that little bit. Whether that was a plan of Gavins, to keep things tight and push on late, or if it was simply a case of our fitness showing I don't know, but its a system that seems like it could work. We obviously still try to play good football, but when we defend we do so as a team. That said we probably do have some issues in attack. Brogan's form has been poor, he takes on so many shots that he really shouldn't be trying, however he does also get a lot of high passes into him when he would benefit a lot more from having it played out in front of him. What we really need against these sides is an almost rugby-like set up of passing the ball sideways to a man running straight through the lines of defence. MDMA did that really well a few times last night but the problem with him is he doesn't know what to do with the ball when he gets into the dangerous positions. It'll be interesting next week to see if Gavin tweaks things at all for the Monaghan game or sticks to the same plan.

As for the hurlers, good to get to the semi final but Limerick were very poor. I must say I was a little bit worried when the closed the gap to 6 points with about 12 minutes to play. We followed that up with two excellent scores but against stronger opposition we could have been caught. They certainly like to live life on the edge those lads! That said it was a good performance for the most part and with Schutte's performance in full forward in the second half I'd like to think Rushe won't be played there anymore. I'd really want to see him back and Center Back because he looked like a fish out of water on the wing yesterday. Probably be playing Cork next and that will be a real test of how far we've come.

ArielAtom

So funny to see a Donegal fan on here trying to justify the blanket defence by showing dublin seemingly deploying it. If it cannot be accepted that it Is predominantly Ulster teams doing then there is no hope of getting rid of it. Donegal, Tyrone and Derry with all 15 players in their own 45 is not nice to watch. Just saying