Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

Slattsy

I thought everyone goes off the drink in January?

DoctaDee

Slattsy wrote: »

I thought everyone goes off the drink in January?

Some are still working off last years quota

Edit .. speaking of which I was trying to drum up a little support to run into tonights Walsh Cup hurling in PP .. days just melt into one another this time of year

ProudDUB

Slattsy wrote: »

I thought everyone goes off the drink in January?

I think we should replace boozing with going to Confession too.

Bless me Father for I have sinned. I spoiled Gods love by not being a proper GAA fan.

I did not give Lee Keegan the deference that such a giant of the game is due.

Did I mention I wasn't a proper GAA fan? I'm not, according to the Holy Joe from Mayo....and they're experts in these things.

Honest to God, Your Worship, burning in hell is too good for me.

Bonniedog

DoctaDee wrote: »

Some are still working off last years quota

Edit .. speaking of which I was trying to drum up a little support to run into tonights Walsh Cup hurling in PP .. days just melt into one another this time of year

That match is tomorrow is it not?

MayoAreMagic

ProudDUB wrote: »

I think we should replace boozing with going to Confession too.
Bless me Father for I have sinned. I spoiled Gods love by not being a proper GAA fan.
I did not give Lee Keegan the deference that such a giant of the game is due.
Did I mention I wasn't a proper GAA fan? I'm not, according to the Holy Joe from Mayo....and they're experts in these things.
Honest to God, Your Worship, burning in hell is too good for me.

Is this one of these ar*eways responses, where you admit the other person is right, but do so in a sarcastic way as so to appear indifferent?

I repeat. Any person who had a genuine interest in the sport, wouldn't respond in the manner the Dublin fans did, en masse. It is just a fact. People might say oh you just don't like Dublin - I don't actually care about Dublin to be honest with you, it has little to do with any bias, as much as you would like to paint it that way. It is just a reality. Bad fans react the way the Dublin fans reacted.

You don't like that? Not my concern

ProudDUB

Buddy, you are the one coming into the Dublin thread and insulting the Dublin players, supporters and posters for not worshipping at the altar of Lee Keegan enough. Yet you still expect to be taken seriously & for people to engage in some sort of serious debate with you?

Best of luck with that. You can count me out. I'm done indulging your boredom, or your bitterness.

DoctaDee wrote: »

Some are still working off last years quota

Edit .. speaking of which I was trying to drum up a little support to run into tonights Walsh Cup hurling in PP .. days just melt into one another this time of year

Gobshyte !

I've been back in work since last Wednesday. I know exactly what day of the week it is. :mad:

Hard to believe another year in pursuit of more silverware, kicks off tomorrow. Senior footballers flew out on the team hollier yesterday. With most of the U-21's on college duty and the Cuala lads on a break, just recognizing the first goal scorers, will be some craic, never mind actually naming them. :rolleyes:

MayoAreMagic

ProudDUB wrote: »

Buddy, you are the one coming into the Dublin thread and insulting the Dublin players, supporters and posters for not worshipping at the altar of Lee Keegan enough. Yet you still expect to be taken seriously & for people to engage in some sort of serious debate with you?

Best of luck with that. You can count me out. I'm done indulging your boredom, or your bitterness.

Where did I insult anyone?
I pointed out that the behaviour of a faction of the dublin fans was poor at a certain time, and I underlined why. What is not to be taken seriously about that? Have you ever noticed that when people tend to restate what you have stated, they generally tend to spin a completely different yarn in doing so? The above is a good example of this. The only reason you restated it, is so you could change it.

Although I no longer expect people to engage in serious debate here, because it doesnt suit their rhetoric and that is what they seem to stick to religiously. I had hoped that there would be some who would have it about them to stand on their own two feet, ignore the bs party line, and just have an honest conversation about it. I mean it isnt as if they are going to take away Dublin's trophies if you do. Like I admitted AOS went to ground easily against fermanagh - nobody died after I did. What are you so afraid of?

Kavrocks

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well eyewitness accounts are generally cast iron.

They are actually quite the opposite, you can look it up. Eyewitness testimonies are notorious unreliable.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I pointed out that the behaviour of a faction of the dublin fans was poor at a certain time, and I underlined why. What is not to be taken seriously about that?

I've not followed your debate very closely but you seem to cling very closely to this "faction of Dublin fans" and want to wage some war against them. I honestly don't think you will find any of them in here. The majority of the regular posters in here will be in PP tomorrow, the weekend or for the club championships as well as at the league games. I would class these as genuine and proper GAA fans not part of this "faction of Dublin fans" you seek, which we will only see come the summer.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Although I no longer expect people to engage in serious debate here, because it doesnt suit their rhetoric and that is what they seem to stick to religiously. I had hoped that there would be some who would have it about them to stand on their own two feet, ignore the bs party line, and just have an honest conversation about it. I mean it isnt as if they are going to take away Dublin's trophies if you do. Like I admitted AOS went to ground easily against fermanagh - nobody died after I did. What are you so afraid of?

I don't think it was ever your intention to engage in serious debate. I think it was your goal to tell us how Lee Keegan is "a giant of the game" and how we should worship him but when people didn't agree you weren't happy, became defensive and started becoming aggressive towards anybody who disagreed with you.

If you do want your serious debate I'd suggest trying to tone things down a bit. Innocent conversations can seem a lot more aggressive when they are in text over the internet instead of spoken face to face. I'd also suggest you try to understand that everybody, including yourself, looks at every situation through rose tinted glasses and people are entitled to their own opinion too.

yop

This should be interesting

ProudDUB

Ah yoppers, me aul mucker. Howz it hangin'? How is 2017 going for you so far? What did you ask Santy for ? No, wait....let me guess....it's the same thing you've been asking for, these past 61 odd years. Best of luck with that !

MayoAreMagic

Kavrocks wrote: »

They are actually quite the opposite, you can look it up. Eyewitness testimonies are notorious unreliable.

Even when there are 4 million odd of them and one of the incidents has already had a ban served for it?

Kavrocks wrote: »

I've not followed your debate very closely but you seem to cling very closely to this "faction of Dublin fans" and want to wage some war against them. I honestly don't think you will find any of them in here. The majority of the regular posters in here will be in PP tomorrow, the weekend or for the club championships as well as at the league games. I would class these as genuine and proper GAA fans not part of this "faction of Dublin fans" you seek, which we will only see come the summer.

Well I had thought that, but then only one poster was willing to admit that Dublin were lucky against Kerry in 2011 with the mcmenamin goal! Hardly a ringing endorsement...

Kavrocks wrote: »

I don't think it was ever your intention to engage in serious debate. I think it was your goal to tell us how Lee Keegan is "a giant of the game" and how we should worship him but when people didn't agree you weren't happy, became defensive and started becoming aggressive towards anybody who disagreed with you.

Well that is unfortunate, and you are wrong, but as you already pointed out, you haven't followed my points in any great detail, so we can probably dismiss your thoughts on it out of hand... I mean, would you listen to my thoughts on the game in PP, if I had openly admitted beforehand that I hadn't watched it?

Kavrocks wrote: »

If you do want your serious debate I'd suggest trying to tone things down a bit. Innocent conversations can seem a lot more aggressive when they are in text over the internet instead of spoken face to face. I'd also suggest you try to understand that everybody, including yourself, looks at every situation through rose tinted glasses and people are entitled to their own opinion too.

In what way exactly though? Saying please and thank you? I have spoken in civil terms for the most part, bar an odd response to an uncivil post. Frankly, the only way something will seem aggressive to a reader, is if they assume an aggressive undertone and read it that way. But it isn't my fault if someone makes assumptions before they read the thing, it is the fault of the reader.

As for rose tinted glasses, I don't believe anything I have stated is unbalanced. You take issue with my description of keegan yet his own peers have voted him to that position and speak of him in those terms.

Billy Mays

Winning footballer of the year doesn't make him "comfortably the best player in the game"


As for your "arguably the best half back of all time" statement...


Rose tinted glassed indeed

MayoAreMagic

Billy Mays wrote: »

Winning footballer of the year doesn't make him "comfortably the best player in the game"


As for your "arguably the best half back of all time" statement...


Rose tinted glassed indeed

Well I think it does. When you consider that the winner 99% of the time comes from the winning county, it shows how far ahead he must have been. Plus you have direct rivals for the position like Mattie Donnelly claiming that he was not only the best this year but the last 3 years too, it displays his dominance.

Re your second issue, well he has been compared to tomas o'se regularly, only with better marking ability. O'Se is classed at that level. Therefore, why would that statement be an issue? Pretty straightforward really Id have thought...

Have you ever considered that maybe the issue here is that some people might have problem with giving deserved credit to players, just because they are not from their own county?

Billy Mays

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well I think it does. When you consider that the winner 99% of the time comes from the winning county, it shows how far ahead he must have been. Plus you have direct rivals for the position like Mattie Donnelly claiming that he was not only the best this year but the last 3 years too, it displays his dominance.

Re your second issue, well he has been compared to tomas o'se regularly, only with better marking ability. O'Se is classed at that level. Therefore, why would that statement be an issue? Pretty straightforward really Id have thought...

Have you ever considered that maybe the issue here is that some people might have problem with giving deserved credit to players, just because they are not from their own county?

I've no problem giving credit to Keegan. You might think I'm going against the grain here as a Dublin fan but I actually like him. He's a terrific player with a fantastic will to win and any team would be glad to have him. I wasn't surprised he won footballer of the year and I certainly don't think any Dublin player was "robbed" of the award by him winning it. I also agree that the criticism he comes in for is over the top.


I don't agree that winning footballer of the year makes a player the best in the country. Colm Cooper is the best player I've seen play the game yet he never won footballer of the player.


As for best half back of all time, I'm sure there's players from previous eras would be in the conversation but from the ones I've seen play I'd have McGeeney and Moynahan ahead of him.

MayoAreMagic

Billy Mays wrote: »

I've no problem giving credit to Keegan. You might think I'm going against the grain here as a Dublin fan but I actually like him. He's a terrific player with a fantastic will to win and any team would be glad to have him. I wasn't surprised he won footballer of the year and I certainly don't think any Dublin player was "robbed" of the award by him winning it. I also agree that the criticism he comes in for is over the top.

That is fair enough. However, the evidence of the forum would suggest that you are indeed in a small minority...

Billy Mays wrote: »

I don't agree that winning footballer of the year makes a player the best in the country. Colm Cooper is the best player I've seen play the game yet he never won footballer of the player.

But Cooper hasn't showed that kind of form in a long time. All you are really doing here is changing the parameters of what constitutes the best player in the country. I mean if that is the case, does that mean Jack O'Shea is still the best midfielder in the country?

Billy Mays wrote: »

As for best half back of all time, I'm sure there's players from previous eras would be in the conversation but from the ones I've seen play I'd have McGeeney and Moynahan ahead of him.

Hence I said arguably. Apparently you agree with that, unbeknown to yourself.

yop

ProudDUB wrote: »

Ah yoppers, me aul mucker. Howz it hangin'? How is 2017 going for you so far? What did you ask Santy for ? No, wait....let me guess....it's the same thing you've been asking for, these past 61 odd years. Best of luck with that !

Alls good chief. Still slightly to the left but the new drugs will fix it.
No only 41 years in my case, I was only but a twinkle for the other 20

See you for a bust up in Croker in March

Billy Mays

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

But Cooper hasn't showed that kind of form in a long time. All you are really doing here is changing the parameters of what constitutes the best player in the country. I mean if that is the case, does that mean Jack O'Shea is still the best midfielder in the country?




Hence I said arguably. Apparently you agree with that, unbeknown to yourself.

F*ck sake. You're being deliberately obtuse with nonsense like this.

Where have I said Cooper is currently the best player in the country?
I merely stated someone being voted footballer of the year doesn't make them the best player in the country and used Cooper in his prime (not now) as an example.

As for your other point, well no I don't arguably agree that Keegan is the best half back of all time which is why I named two players that I think were better than him. I can name full forwards who I think were better than Bernard Brogan which means I don't think Bernard is arguably the best full forward of all time.


More fool me I suppose for discussing this with someone who calls themselves MayoAreMagic.

EICVD

The O'Byrne Cup hasn't even started & we've already had the s**** ridiculous debates!

Happy New Year to all the True Blues, here's to an even more successful year than 2016!

MayoAreMagic

Billy Mays wrote: »

F*ck sake. You're being deliberately obtuse with nonsense like this.

Where have I said Cooper is currently the best player in the country?
I merely stated someone being voted footballer of the year doesn't make them the best player in the country and used Cooper in his prime (not now) as an example.

Well then I misunderstood your point, as I thought it was yourself who was being deliberately obtuse here, hence my JOS example. Although I never claimed that the POTY award was the sole reason that he was the best player, to be fair.

Billy Mays wrote: »

As for your other point, well no I don't arguably agree that Keegan is the best half back of all time which is why I named two players that I think were better than him. I can name full forwards who I think were better than Bernard Brogan which means I don't think Bernard is arguably the best full forward of all time.

And Id argue that keegan has more strings in his bow than mcgeeney, and while maybe not as good an all round footballer as Moynihan, probably has a skillset more specific to excelling as a halfback. In other words, it is arguable, which is what I said.

Interesting that you interest in the topics being discussed begins and ends with Lee Keegan, considering he was barely a footnote in this discussion. Why is that?

Kavrocks

23 players missing tonight due to Cuala, colleges and injuries. I know we'll get the college's players back for the league but missing the Cuala players will really put a dent in our chances of staying up in Division 1. You also have to remember the 5 players that were dropped after last year.

It'll be interesting to see Rushe in another new position tonight, midfield. It's surprising McMorrow is on the bench instead of midfield to me. On the other hand 6 minors from last year are on the panel which only bodes well for the future.

corny

The Mayo chap is making mugs of ye lads.:D

Billy Mays

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well then I misunderstood your point, as I thought it was yourself who was being deliberately obtuse here, hence my JOS example.

Sure you did :rolleyes:

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

And Id argue that keegan has more strings in his bow than mcgeeney, and while maybe not as good an all round footballer as Moynihan, probably has a skillset more specific to excelling as a halfback. In other words, it is arguable, which is what I said.

Just cos you keep saying it is arguable doesn't make it so. You think he's arguably the GOAT, I don't. I'd be pretty confident that most posters on here (from all counties, not just Dublin and Mayo) would say he isn't.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Interesting that you interest in the topics being discussed begins and ends with Lee Keegan, considering he was barely a footnote in this discussion. Why is that?

Why is it interesting? I commented on your claims about Keegan being "comfortably the best player in the country" and "arguably the greatest half back of all time". I've already given you my opinion on him which you said was fair enough and went against what most Dublin posters on here think of him. Now you seem to be implying that I've some sort of anti Keegan bias.

ProudDUB

yop wrote: »

Alls good chief. Still slightly to the left but the new drugs will fix it.
No only 41 years in my case, I was only but a twinkle for the other 20

See you for a bust up in Croker in March

Glad you're well. (Hope the Dad is too.) Good to know the drugs are of some help. Remember not to take the blue and navy pills together. They'll give you a terrible dose of the scutters.

Can't wait 'till March 4. The fixture has thrown up some very tasty encounters these past few years. Last years slugfest in the monsoon was great craic. Not sure how much fun it will be for your lot though. In the Jim Gavin era, Dublin and Mayo have played 10 games. Mayo haven't won any of them. Oh well....the 11th time is the charm, as your proctologist often says !

gormdubhgorm

Just saw there that Conal Keaney's medals were robbed from his car.

At least we know it was not a Mayo man, hurling means nothing to them, and they are only after football all-ireland medals


http://www.newstalk.com/ExDublin-dual-star-Conal-Keaney-appeals-for-return-of-stolen-medals

Bonniedog

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Just saw there that Conal Keaney's medals were robbed from his car.

At least we know it was not a Mayo man, hurling means nothing to them, and they are only after football all-ireland medals


http://www.newstalk.com/ExDublin-dual-star-Conal-Keaney-appeals-for-return-of-stolen-medals

Scumbags. Hope they OD.

Hurlers beat Carlow by seven points with pretty makeshift team. Rushie sent off.

ProudDUB

He won a football All Ireland with 'Boden last year.

gormdubhgorm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Scumbags. Hope they OD.

Hurlers beat Carlow by seven points with pretty makeshift team. Rushie sent off.

Did any fellas stand out or look like they could push for a starting place?

I know it was against Carlow but I would take any glimmer of a next new hurling hope at this stage!

gormdubhgorm

ProudDUB wrote: »

He won a football All Ireland with 'Boden last year.

Opps apologies I meant inter-county all-ireland.

Still can't believe Boden won that though they should have got knocked out so many times.

ProudDUB

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Opps apologies I meant inter-county all-ireland.

Still can't believe Boden won that though they should have got knocked out so many times.

No worries, I'm starting to lose track of all the competitions Dubs have won too. I fully expect the Serie A, the World Tiddleywinks Championship and the Wimbledon Ladies Singles trophies to wind up in Dublin, at some stage next year. Sadly, a Dub won't be winning the Best Actor Oscar. Big Aido has that one sewn up !

Kavrocks

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Did any fellas stand out or look like they could push for a starting place?

Some nice performances from some of last years minors and a couple of people did stand out but it was the exact same this time last year. Some very good performances from some individuals but then they never featured in the league or championship. I think this year might be the same.

Carlow were poor. I was actually surprised at how bad they were and can see them finishing bottom of the group even to UCD who we beat easy last year. If it wasn't for their keeper and very poor Dublin shooting the scoreboard wouldn't have looked as close as it did.

Rushe was an idiot and deserved his red card. Swung at a Carlow player in retaliation in front of the linesman.

Has anybody noticed the fixtures on dublingaa.ie and leinstergaa.ie don't match?