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corny

Carthy has no chance of starting surely. Mannion, Andrews, O'Gara and Costello are all ahead of him.

Ted111

corny wrote: »

Carthy has no chance of starting surely. Mannion, Andrews, O'Gara and Costello are all ahead of him.

Not likely. But the logic would be that he would mirror Flynns role more so than Costello for example.

Gael85

A lot of doom and gloom yesterday game with a lot of people writing us off but they fact is we played poorly we are still in contention to win an All Ireland. Were are great team regardless what happens on 1st October as 3 All Irelands in 5 years isn't too bad.;) For team to win 49/60 games under Jim Gavin is a great record. Yesterday you can say Cooper, O'Sullivan, Small and Fenton only played to their potential. Yes were 3 points but there was 7 minutes injury a lot of which can happening but I was delighted coming out of Croker with the draw considering our forwards and midfield were completely cleaned out by Mayo. Our starting forwards only scored 2 points were Mayo forwards got 5. Rock didn't have his finest hour hour but showed character and kicked 2 vital scores at end. We have 2 weeks to sort out our issues and hopefully lads can up their game

Gael85

2 Dublin players scored their 100th Championship point in Croke Park yesterday.

Diarmuid Connolly has scored 11-67(100) in 44 Championship Games.

Dean Rock has scored 3-92(101) in 24 Championship Games.

Blud

Gael85 wrote: »

2 Dublin players scored their 100th Championship point in Croke Park yesterday.

Diarmuid Connolly has scored 11-67(100) in 44 Championship Games.

Dean Rock has scored 3-92(101) in 24 Championship Games.

Give that he is widely regarded as the best player in the game and the fact that about half his 44 games came in the Leinster championship during it's least competitive period ever, an average of just over 2 points (and just less than 2 scores) per game for Connolly is pretty poor.

DoctaDee

Price reduction for Saturday week €30/60 - and a limited number of Juvenile tickets @ €10 for U16's

omega man

My overwhelming feeling at FT yesterday at the game was that we'd let that slip despite a very poor showing overall.

3 up on the 68th mark brought real believe we could nick it but the 7 additional minutes burst that bubble very quickly. I was worried, very worried but we held out excellently during additional time, well almost. I like many was furious that Connolly took the ball off Kilkenny at the time but having watched the game back on tv this morning I'm not so sure we would have held onto the ball had Kilkenny kept possession, we were that bad. I doubt the ref would have blown up on 77 either. So who knows what would or could have happened, If buts and maybes.......

Jim Gavin was clearly a relieved man to get another crack so I'll trust him and the players to put yesterday's wrongs right and finish the job on Saturday week.

Gael85

Blud wrote: »

Give that he is widely regarded as the best player in the game and the fact that about half his 44 games came in the Leinster championship during it's least competitive period ever, an average of just over 2 points (and just less than 2 scores) per game for Connolly is pretty poor.

Can you tell me a half forward who scored more over last 4 years? Declan O'Sullivan one of the greatest half forwards from Kerry scored 8-83(107) in 70 Championship games. Diarmuid plays a deep role in half forward and doesn't take many frees so its a fairly decent record for a half forward.

Gael85

Dublin Championship, League & O'Byrne Cup 2016 Player Stats

Dublin have used 24 players in 6 Championship games.Appearances+Subs for 2016 Championship Games

Brogan, Bernard 6
Byrne, David 6
Cluxton, Stephen 6 (3 Clean Sheets. Conceded 5 Goals)
Connolly, Diarmuid 6
Cooper, Jonny 6
Fenton, Brian 6
Kilkenny, Ciaran 6
McMahon, Philip 6
McManamon, Kevin 6
O'Sullivan, Cian 6
Rock, Dean 6
Small, John 6
Macauley, Michael Darragh 5+1
Mannion, Paul 1+5
Fitzsimons, Michael 0+6
Flynn, Paul 5
Andrews, Paddy 1+4
Bastick, Denis 1+4
McCarthy, James 4
O'Gara, Eoghan 0+4
Lowndes, Eric 1+3
Daly, Darren 0+4
O'Callaghan, Con 0+3
Costello, Cormac 0+2

Dublin have scored 7-107 and conceded 5-70 in 6 Championship games. Scorers 2016 Championship Games

Rock, Dean 1-49
Connolly, Diarmuid 1-15
Brogan, Bernard 1-9
McManamon, Kevin 1-8
OG's 2-0
Andrews, Paddy 0-5
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-5
Mannion, Paul 1-2
Fenton, Brian 0-3
Flynn, Paul 0-3
McMahon, Philip 0-2
Small, John 0-2
Byrne, David 0-1
Cooper, Jonny 0-1
O'Callaghan, Con 0-1
O’Gara, Eoghan 0-1

Dublin used 36 players in 9 League games.Appearances+Subs for 2016 League Games

Rock, Dean 7+2
Fitzsimons, Michael 5+4
Costello, Cormac 4+5
Byrne, David 8 (Olafs)
McCarthy, James 8
Cooper, Jonny 7+1
Kilkenny, Ciaran 7+1
Small, John 6+2
McMahon, Philip 7
O'Sullivan, Cian 7
Andrews, Paddy 6+1
Bastick, Denis 6+1
Fenton, Brian 6+1
Flynn, Paul 6+1
Cluxton, Stephen 6 (5 Clean Sheets. Conceded 1 Goal)
Connolly, Diarmuid 6
Brady, Tomas 4+2
O'Conghaile, Emmett 4+2
Lowndes, Eric 3+3
Carthy, Shane (Vincents) 1+5
Daly, Darren 1+5
Mannion, Paul 5
Brogan, Bernard 4+1
Carthy, Shane (Mearnog) 1+4
McManamon, Kevin 3+2
Savage, Michael 3 (1 Clean Sheet. Conceded 3 Goals)
Byrne, David (Ballymun) 2+1
O'Brien, Kevin 1+1
McCaffrey, Jack 0+2
Reddin, Ciaran 0+2
Ryan, Philip 0+2
McHugh, Conor 1
Macauley, Michael Darragh 0+1
McDaid, Robert 0+1
O'Callaghan, Con 0+1
O'Gara, Eoghan 0+1

Dublin scored 11-127 and conceded 4-99 in 9 League games. Scorers 2016 League Games

Rock, Dean 1-40
Costello, Cormac 1-22
Connolly, Diarmuid 3-5
Andrews, Paddy 1-10
Brogan, Bernard 1-7
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-8
McManamon, Kevin 0-8
Flynn, Paul 1-3
McMahon, Philip 1-3
McCarthy, James 1-2
Mannion, Paul 0-4
Lowndes, Eric 1-1
Cooper, Jonny 0-3
Carthy, Shane (Vincents) 0-2
Fenton, Brian 0-2
O'Conghaile, Emmett 0-2
Small, John 0-2
Bastick, Denis 0-1
Brady, Tomas 0-1
McHugh, Conor 0-1

Dublin used 32 players in 4 O'Byrne Cup games.Appearances+Subs for 2016 O'Byrne Cup

Andrews, Paddy 4
Carthy, Shane(Vincents) 4
Costello, Cormac 4
Curley, Jarlath 4
Small, John 4
McMahon, Philip 3+1
Reddin, Ciaran 3+1
McCarthy, James 2+2
Scully, Niall 2+2
Bastick, Denis 3
Brady, Tomas 3
O'Callaghan, Con 3
Rock, Dean 3
Savage, Michael 3
Cooper, Jonny 2+1
Culligan, Eoin 2+1
Mullally, Conor 2+1
Whelan, Jason 2+1
Deegan, Michael 1+2
Concarr, Michael 1+1
Daly, Darren 1+1
Caffrey, Adam 0+2
Hannigan, Graham 0+2
Walsh, Niall 0+2
Cluxton, Stephen 1
Devereux, Nicky 1
Manning, Oisin 1
McGuire, Conor 1
Cunningham, Stephen 0+1
MacDonncha, Maitias 0+1
Ryan, Philip 0+1

Dublin scored 4-61 and conceded 6-38 in 4 O'Byrne Cup games. Scorers 2016 O'Byrne Cup Games

Costello, Cormac 2-11
Rock, Dean 0-15
Andrews, Paddy 1-7
O'Callaghan, Con 1-3
Carthy, Shane(Vincents) 0-5
Deegan, Michael 0-5
Whelan, Jason 0-4
Brady, Tomas 0-3
Reddin, Ciaran 0-3
McGuire, Conor 0-2
Daly, Darren 0-1
McMahon, Philip 0-1
Scully, Niall 0-1

Stoner

Ted111 wrote:

Not likely. But the logic would be that he would mirror Flynns role more so than Costello for example.

Exactly what I was getting at. He's the nearest thing to Flynn on the bench.

And Mannion and Andrews would be ahead of him of him alright but I'd have them on too.

happyoutscan

Past30Now wrote: »

Dublin nearly won that game, playing (or being allowed to play) very poorly. They'll be 20% better the next day. Do Mayo have that improvement in them? I don't think so.

Neither of the O'Sheas played well and Diarmuid O'Connor was anonymous so yes we do need to improve.

You will need to play much better in two weeks to beat this team.

PARlance

Stoner wrote: »

Exactly what I was getting at. He's the nearest thing to Flynn on the bench.

And Mannion and Andrews would be ahead of him of him alright but I'd have them on too.

How Andrews isn't starting is beyond me. His forced introduction in the first half was a blessing of sorts for you.

Gael85

PARlance wrote: »

How Andrews isn't starting is beyond me. His forced introduction in the first half was a blessing of sorts for you.

Andrews has been carrying niggly injuries all year. Would start him for Kevin Mc. Harsh on Kev but need him for last 20 mins if still in game. Brogan plays better with Andrews beside him.

kilns

Gael85 wrote: »

PARlance wrote: »

How Andrews isn't starting is beyond me. His forced introduction in the first half was a blessing of sorts for you.

Andrews has been carrying niggly injuries all year. Would start him for Kevin Mc. Harsh on Kev but need him for last 20 mins if still in game. Brogan plays better with Andrews beside him.

What about the possibility of Andrews for McAuley dropping Flynn to midfield

Gael85

kilns wrote: »

What about the possibility of Andrews for McAuley dropping Flynn to midfield

If take Flynn out of half forwards missing a grafter. Flynn, Connolly, Kilkenny is best half forward line. Kev Mc and Paddy are more effective in inside line. I think we should experimented with half forward line more earlier in season as serious lack of cover there. Lowndes, Brady and Shane Carthy(Vincents) are options but now is not time to be experimenting.

Dyr

Gael85 wrote: »

If take Flynn out of half forwards missing a grafter. Flynn, Connolly, Kilkenny is best half forward line. Kev Mc and Paddy are more effective in inside line. I think we should experimented with half forward line more earlier in season as serious lack of cover there. Lowndes, Brady and Shane Carthy(Vincents) are options but now is not time to be experimenting.

I assumed that flynn was only playing due to lack of alternatives, he aint grafting. Not the same player that he was.

PARlance

Gael85 wrote: »

Andrews has been carrying niggly injuries all year. Would start him for Kevin Mc. Harsh on Kev but need him for last 20 mins if still in game. Brogan plays better with Andrews beside him.

Both were excellent against us last year. If he's fit enough to be introduced in the first half then he's fit enough to start imo.

It might be blasphemy on the Dublin thread and his record is unbelievable but Gavin isn't getting the best out of what he has imo. Last years style of play was far more attacking and the change has only served to close the gap for the rest of us. We had a great chance yesterday, Kerry had a decent chance and to a much lesser degree, Donegal had an opportunity.

In particular, I find Kilkenny's role and a much less direct style very questionable. The 2 injuries helped close the gap but I'm not sure they can be attributed to the tactical changes. Maybe only a defeat will cause questions to be asked.

None of you will be having any of this I'm guessing

Ted111

Flynn already plays in the middle to a large degree anyway. He hasn't contributed as a scorer in a long time. Brady or Carthy would be good replacements. Gavin's style will be to make no changes.

DoctaDee

The brethren tell me that Flynner maybe about to go walkabout in Oz, so his potential replacement maybe a bit more pressing than we think. I'd thought until recently that O'Conghaile may have been a good fit for the role - I'd seen him playing in that position with Lucan, but as it stands I can't offer a realistic alternative to Flynn

Gael85

Bambi wrote: »

I assumed that flynn was only playing due to lack of alternatives, he aint grafting. Not the same player that he was.

Flynner looks burned out. Could do with 6 months off as carrying a few niggling injuries over last couple years. We have very little alternatives at 10 & 12. A great servant winning 4 All Stars in 4 years.

Gael85

PARlance wrote: »

Both were excellent against us last year. If he's fit enough to be introduced in the first half then he's fit enough to start imo.

It might be blasphemy on the Dublin thread and his record is unbelievable but Gavin isn't getting the best out of what he has imo. Last years style of play was far more attacking and the change has only served to close the gap for the rest of us. We had a great chance yesterday, Kerry had a decent chance and to a much lesser degree, Donegal had an opportunity.

In particular, I find Kilkenny's role and a much less direct style very questionable. The 2 injuries helped close the gap but I'm not sure they can be attributed to the tactical changes. Maybe only a defeat will cause questions to be asked.

None of you will be having any of this I'm guessing

I would agree on your point about Kilkenny. The 2 games against Mayo last year he really stood out. I thought then he was ready to be the main man. Has gone backwards this year, definitely playing a much deeper role as only scored 5 points in 6 championship games. Last year he scored 18 in and 7 games. Would disagree on Gavin not getting best out players. Apart from Byrne and Small no new players have pushed for a starting role. He has lost 2 of the games best defenders in Rory O'Carroll and Jack McCaffrey along with Alan Brogan retiring. We have also lost squad players like Ger Brennan and Kevin Nolan and throw in loss of form of key players Bernard Brogan, MDMA and Flynn

Godge

Gael85 wrote: »

I would agree on your point about Kilkenny. The 2 games against Mayo last year he really stood out. I thought then he was ready to be the main man. Has gone backwards this year, definitely playing a much deeper role as only scored 5 points in 6 championship games. Last year he scored 18 in and 7 games. Would disagree on Gavin not getting best out players. Apart from Byrne and Small no new players have pushed for a starting role. He has lost 2 of the games best defenders in Rory O'Carroll and Jack McCaffrey along with Alan Brogan retiring. We have also lost squad players like Ger Brennan and Kevin Nolan and throw in loss of form of key players Bernard Brogan, MDMA and Flynn

I think there are always ups and downs with a squad.

I think Johnny Cooper, Rock (until yesterday), Fenton and McManamon have been better this year than last but the others you mention have dropped off.

The disappointments have been those others in the squad who haven't pushed on - O'Gara not being able to keep his head, Andrews not being able to shake off injuries, Costello, Lowdnes etc not making a big step up.

Past30Now

Gael85 wrote: »

Flynner looks burned out. Could do with 6 months off as carrying a few niggling injuries over last couple years. We have very little alternatives at 10 & 12. A great servant winning 4 All Stars in 4 years.

I'd imagine the likes of Tomas Brady or either Shane Carthy could, in the medium term, have a good go at replacing Flynn.

John Small, assuming Jack comes back, might be a good option in the half forward line. Then there are a number of guys who've played a couple of O'Byrne cup campaigns or who are in the wider squad, who if given the chance in the league, may step up. In my own club, there are three lads off the top of my head, who've played Dublin U21 in the last couple of years, who could step up.

He does look like a guy in need of a break. He's been brilliant for Dublin over the last few years.

Gael85

Past30Now wrote: »

I'd imagine the likes of Tomas Brady or either Shane Carthy could, in the medium term, have a good go at replacing Flynn.

John Small, assuming Jack comes back, might be a good option in the half forward line. Then there are a number of guys who've played a couple of O'Byrne cup campaigns or who are in the wider squad, who if given the chance in the league, may step up. In my own club, there are three lads off the top of my head, who've played Dublin U21 in the last couple of years, who could step up.

He does look like a guy in need of a break. He's been brilliant for Dublin over the last few years.

Shane Carthy(St Vincents) should have started more games in league. Carthy(Mearnog) and O'Conghaile from Lucan are 2 options but have struggled with injury or haven't had much of impact when played. Tomas Brady is not intercounty standard IMO as a forward. Would loved to see him tried at full back.

Gael85

Godge wrote: »

I think there are always ups and downs with a squad.

I think Johnny Cooper, Rock (until yesterday), Fenton and McManamon have been better this year than last but the others you mention have dropped off.

The disappointments have been those others in the squad who haven't pushed on - O'Gara not being able to keep his head, Andrews not being able to shake off injuries, Costello, Lowdnes etc not making a big step up.

I thought Lowndes and Costello would step up this year. I think Gavin may benefit in long run in not throwing Costello in too early. I think he will become a key player and eventually replace Bernard. With all the half backs coming through Lowndes could be Flynn replacement, plays half forwards with his club and can kick off both feet.

Past30Now

Gael85 wrote: »

Tomas Brady is not intercounty standard IMO as a forward. Would loved to see him tried at full back.

Flynn in the last couple of years has been more of a third midfielder than a forward, and it's from that position I'd consider Brady, but agree with the fullback idea.

Mearnogs Carthy looks very good. Shame about the glut of injuries. Hopefully he comes back stronger.

Gael85

Past30Now wrote: »

Flynn in the last couple of years has been more of a third midfielder than a forward, and it's from that position I'd consider Brady, but agree with the fullback idea.

Mearnogs Carthy looks very good. Shame about the glut of injuries. Hopefully he comes back stronger.

Brady would have been interesting option around the middle as has the physique. Gavin doesn't seem to have much faith in him as only played 5 championship games(all off the bench) in 3 years.

That_Guy

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Compare Bernard who has how many dispossessions a game? Big fan of the guy but his best days are behind him. He won't be dropped though.

I agree that Bernard should be dropped for sure. He's been poor over the last few games but he always draws two opposition defenders to him which does free up a bit of space for scoring opportunities. Granted, we didn't put any away yesterday but he is invaluable in that regards. He draws a lot of players out of position.

That said, we need scores and he's just not really providing that killer instinct for whatever reason.

Muff Richardson

I don't think it's coincidental that berno's underperforming or demise began when alan was both second choice and subsequent retirement. they fed off each other and that innate understanding they had for one another, positioning and reading where one another would be on the field can't be underestimated.

seligehgit

Stoner wrote: »

Replay

Extra time... Ticker can't cope with another day.:D In all seriousness a draw is always anti climatic.Prefer a result on final day.