Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

Kh1993

And I love Kev Mc. Just think him coming in after 50 mins wins us it. Like Mannion should have today, we just didn't get enough ball to him.

Gryire

Stoner wrote: »

Gryire wrote:

He is most effective of the bench. Mayo are too physically strong for him.

They weren't in the replay last year though. He had a bad game. But I said a few posts back that I'd have him on the bench too. Simply because it works

You are correct. That is where he most effective. Mayo are much more physically strong this year. That is where they have improved the most. 3 points down with 68 mins on the clock. Still they kept going.

Gryire

corny wrote: »

Gryire wrote: »

He should have god a black card for the trip and a red card for clothes line tackle. He is a liability. Mayo will target him big style.

Don't worry about that. D'you think he had a good game in general play?

Yes, he is a good footballer but has to keep away from the hard stuff. You wont get away with that in the middle of the park.

corny

Gryire wrote: »

Yes, he is a good footballer but has to keep away from the hard stuff. You wont get away with that in the middle of the park.

What does that mean? The hard stuff?

Battery Kinzie

Ciaran Kilkenny is very frustrating. Hard to believe he's been tipped for player of the year.

Stoner

Battery Kinzie wrote:

Ciaran Kilkenny is very frustrating. Hard to believe he's been tipped for player of the year.

I think it's a tactic rather than CK. He's been around for a few years and this is the first year he's been like this.

I hope we can shake it the next day. I think he had one shot in the whole game and that wasn't because he was well marshalled, he just wasn't heading for goal.

Battery Kinzie

Stoner wrote: »

I think it's a tactic rather than CK. He's been around for a few years and this is the first year he's been like this.

I hope we can shake it the next day. I think he had one shot in the whole game and that wasn't because he was well marshalled, he just wasn't heading for goal.

True enough, he just personifies the overly patient and cautious style we seem to switch when we get ahead, which frustrates me. I don't even think we will drop it for the replay, we'll just be hoping to execute it that bit better and with a bit more of a lead.

ProudDUB

Congrats John Small, Man of The Match in an All Ireland final. When you consider the massive boots he has had to fill, that is some going for your first year as a starter.

Kh1993

Well deserved john small. Similar performance to kevin nolans in 2011. Great score. Took some punishment too.

radharc

Kh1993 wrote: »

Well deserved john small. Similar performance to kevin nolans in 2011. Great score. Took some punishment too.

Happy to see him get the award but he is another in the Ciaran Kilkenny mould imo, too often lopes into space and then just comes to a stop soloing the ball around the opposition 45 before giving a lateral hand pass.

He is a good player imo but no McCaffrey, he will make a good midfielder.

Gungadin

PressRun wrote: »

No, I wasn't. I'm very disappointed actually. We should have won the match and I'm not going to feel "relieved" about drawing a match that we should have won well. Dublin were in it becayse of comical mistakes and if not for that we would have won well. It feels like a missed opportunity, tbh. Dublin won't be that poor again and it feels like we did a lot today to win the match and plenty went our way and we still didn't win.

Mayo-The Jimmy White of Gaelic Football.

Dyr

Gungadin wrote: »

Mayo-The Jimmy White of Gaelic Football.

It's inaccurate and unfair but I laughed

Its more them lacking a few players than bottling it but the old saying about success breeding success applies..as does the opposite

Stoner

radharc wrote:

Happy to see him get the award but he is another in the Ciaran Kilkenny mould imo, too often lopes into space and then just comes to a stop soloing the ball around the opposition 45 before giving a lateral hand pass.

I thought he took the game to Mayo in all fairness, Andy Moran was a handful too, luck he pointed his sitter

Powerhouse

Battery Kinzie wrote: »

Ciaran Kilkenny is very frustrating. Hard to believe he's been tipped for player of the year.

Totally agree but I suppose he's a symptom of the modern game where if you have enough "possessions" you can get away with very little creativity. He had a handy enough point chance late in the game (by his standards of a few years back) but lost control of a simple toe to hand and instead had to pass to a player in a worse position. The way he is being used is destroying him as a forward.

Nidgeweasel

Piss poor Dublin performance today. No point saying otherwise.

I felt watching it that Dublin were in serious troubled because it wasn't happening for them and it seemed like When you see a great team stuttering in a showpiece.

That being said, this Dublin side are as hard as nails. As poor as they were they do not wilt and it's hard to see them don't as shockingly poor the next day.

Have to say I thought Cian O Sullivan was exceptional for Dublin today.

I don't rate Michael Darragh at all but though the was very good also was surprised to see him taken off as early as he was.

May I suggest that the government use the €13bn to put a roof over Croker. AI finals shouldn't be played in the rain

Stoner

I thought he should have stayed in too. He'd just won a free too.

But our subs today
MDMA yellow card quickly subbed
McManamon terrible pass that coughed up a score, subbed soon after
David Byrne ball watching turned over, subbed soon after

The was no messing.

Mayo did the same with Boyle

PARlance

Can I mentioned Mr. 93%? He seems to have gotten off without much criticism. Is it just being chalked down as a bad day or is temperament called into question?

ThunbergsAreGo

Oddly more confident after that.we can't be as bad again. Will win by 5 in the replay.

Mayo worked like trojans but not much to actually fear. We have much more improvement in us and bar Dermo looking for glory we would have won

Bonniedog

Stop! All he had to do was find a blue jersey. Game over.

I hope Gavin tore the fkn bollix out of him. Kilkenny knew what hd to be done but of course fkn Lionel Messi had to be the big man. He is becoming a liability.

Nidgeweasel

naughtb4 wrote: »

Oddly more confident after that.we can't be as bad again. Will win by 5 in the replay.

Mayo worked like trojans but not much to actually fear. We have much more improvement in us and bar Dermo looking for glory we would have won

I was incredulous and I'm not even a Dub. 30 seconds to go and your ensuring you hand possession back to the opposition? Hold the f*cking ball.

Dublin retain possession and you are waking up this morning with a sore head and an All Ireland. Fine margins.

They should have been lining up to give him a belt in the changing room after

Didn't come off for Rock yesterday but it didn't come off for most people and he still ended up with 1 - something.


What's the popular opinion on here, rather a replay or extra time?

CurryFlavoured

It'd be unfair to have Kev Mc on the bench when Brogan has done nothing all year. This 'super sub' label he's got must drive him mad.

Andrews can't buy a start, guy is one of the most underrated footballers in the country. Strong as hell, gets out in front, great ball winner and accurate kicker. Rarely loses battles and guarantees 2-3 scores. Compare Bernard who has how many dispossessions a game? Big fan of the guy but his best days are behind him. He won't be dropped though.

Ken Tucky

My god that was rank. Happy with the replay. Have to break it to the wife that what she had planned in 2 weeks time isn't going to happen

Was in the lower hill. Never again. Couldn't see a thing. Think we got lucky today. Mad to even say that considering that they equalised in 77 min.

We won't be as bad again but I agree with posts here..go and kill the game. Too much lateral play. I taught CK was good though. Had energy that none of he others seemed to have..

Stoner

CurryFlavoured wrote:

It'd be unfair to have Kev Mc on the bench when Brogan has done nothing all year. This 'super sub' label he's got must drive him mad.

True but at the end of the day it's not about being fair to McManamon, it's about winning.

Past30Now

We were brutal yesterday. Our decision making was baffling. Connolly with the sideline, Brogan not passing to Flynn just before he was taken off, Macker on a number of occasions. Defensively it was a pretty good performance. Davey Byrne had is worst day this season, but Coops, Philly, COS and John Small (delighted he got man of the match) all did relatively well. The decision on McCarthy looked ridiculous at the time, there didn't seem to be any intent.

Fenton played well. MDMA did well in patches, but should have got at least one black card. I'd be in favour of MDMA starting from the bench and letting Bastick start, bringing MDMA on early in the second half.

Brogan was v quiet. Macker wasn't great either. Andrews has to start the next day in front of one of them.

Man marking has been happening for years, but DC had to put up with some amount of crap yesterday. It's his own fault for previous reactions, but he got no protection from the ref yesterday. He was pulled and dragged all day, and got nothing for it. His decision to go for the sideline ball was madness, and CK knew it. How Mick Deegan or Jim Gavin didn't let him know in advance is beyond me.

Rock had a mare yesterday. His handling was brutal. The second OG came direct from poor Rock handling (wet ball admittedly). He still starts for me, but lets hope for a warmer drier day.

Dublin nearly won that game, playing (or being allowed to play) very poorly. They'll be 20% better the next day. Do Mayo have that improvement in them? I don't think so.

Kauto

Past30Now wrote: »

We were brutal yesterday. Our decision making was baffling. Connolly with the sideline, Brogan not passing to Flynn just before he was taken off, Macker on a number of occasions. Defensively it was a pretty good performance. Davey Byrne had is worst day this season, but Coops, Philly, COS and John Small (delighted he got man of the match) all did relatively well. The decision on McCarthy looked ridiculous at the time, there didn't seem to be any intent.

Fenton played well. MDMA did well in patches, but should have got at least one black card. I'd be in favour of MDMA starting from the bench and letting Bastick start, bringing MDMA on early in the second half.

Brogan was v quiet. Macker wasn't great either. Andrews has to start the next day in front of one of them.

Man marking has been happening for years, but DC had to put up with some amount of crap yesterday. It's his own fault for previous reactions, but he got no protection from the ref yesterday. He was pulled and dragged all day, and got nothing for it. His decision to go for the sideline ball was madness, and CK knew it. How Mick Deegan or Jim Gavin didn't let him know in advance is beyond me.

Rock had a mare yesterday. His handling was brutal. The second OG came direct from poor Rock handling (wet ball admittedly). He still starts for me, but lets hope for a warmer drier day.

Dublin nearly won that game, playing (or being allowed to play) very poorly. They'll be 20% better the next day. Do Mayo have that improvement in them? I don't think so.

No matter how well Dublin play the next day there will be nothing in it. Bar the replay last year which involved a 6 day turnaround which is a huge advantage to Dublin as their access to recovery etc is greater than Mayo's, there is nothing between these teams.
Rock crumbled under pressure in both games against Mayo last year. Brogan is past it as is Flynn. Gavin should drop one or both of these. Would also leave McMemamin on the bench.
People seem to overlook the fact that the Mayo forwards were equally as poor as Dublins. Plenty room for improvement for Mayo.

Tombo2001

Past30Now wrote: »

We were brutal yesterday. Our decision making was baffling. Connolly with the sideline, Brogan not passing to Flynn just before he was taken off, Macker on a number of occasions. Defensively it was a pretty good performance. Davey Byrne had is worst day this season, but Coops, Philly, COS and John Small (delighted he got man of the match) all did relatively well. The decision on McCarthy looked ridiculous at the time, there didn't seem to be any intent.

Fenton played well. MDMA did well in patches, but should have got at least one black card. I'd be in favour of MDMA starting from the bench and letting Bastick start, bringing MDMA on early in the second half.

Brogan was v quiet. Macker wasn't great either. Andrews has to start the next day in front of one of them.

Man marking has been happening for years, but DC had to put up with some amount of crap yesterday. It's his own fault for previous reactions, but he got no protection from the ref yesterday. He was pulled and dragged all day, and got nothing for it. His decision to go for the sideline ball was madness, and CK knew it. How Mick Deegan or Jim Gavin didn't let him know in advance is beyond me.

Rock had a mare yesterday. His handling was brutal. The second OG came direct from poor Rock handling (wet ball admittedly). He still starts for me, but lets hope for a warmer drier day.

Dublin nearly won that game, playing (or being allowed to play) very poorly. They'll be 20% better the next day. Do Mayo have that improvement in them? I don't think so.

Dublin can improve, but they wont be handed two OGs, so these two cancel each other out.

Weather definitely helped Mayo in my book though, that's another factor.

Past30Now

Kauto wrote: »

No matter how well Dublin play the next day there will be nothing in it. Bar the replay last year which involved a 6 day turnaround which is a huge advantage to Dublin as their access to recovery etc is greater than Mayo's, there is nothing between these teams.
Rock crumbled under pressure in both games against Mayo last year. Brogan is past it as is Flynn. Gavin should drop one or both of these. Would also leave McMemamin on the bench.
People seem to overlook the fact that the Mayo forwards were equally as poor as Dublins. Plenty room for improvement for Mayo.

Agree that Rock wasn't good yesterday, but don't see it as "crumbled under the pressure". It was a wet greasy ball, but the point from play in the second half indicated that he hadn't crumbled. A dry day on 1 Oct and he'll be much better.

Also agree that there's very little between the teams, and yet despite that, and despite Dublin playing so poorly yesterday, I can't see Mayo improving significantly. I don't watch the matches from a Mayo perspective (might watch it again this evening with that in mind) but I thought Andy Moran was a complete handful, as was COC. AOS wasn't great, but Philly was on him, and will be again the next day. Your defence was excellent yesterday, including the sweeper. All of them were on top of the Dublin forwards.

Brogan was well marshalled, but might lose his place to Andrews. Flynn is nowhere near finished, and will start the next day, injuries permitting.

Godge

Past30Now wrote: »

Agree that Rock wasn't good yesterday, but don't see it as "crumbled under the pressure". It was a wet greasy ball, but the point from play in the second half indicated that he hadn't crumbled. A dry day on 1 Oct and he'll be much better.

Also agree that there's very little between the teams, and yet despite that, and despite Dublin playing so poorly yesterday, I can't see Mayo improving significantly. I don't watch the matches from a Mayo perspective (might watch it again this evening with that in mind) but I thought Andy Moran was a complete handful, as was COC. AOS wasn't great, but Philly was on him, and will be again the next day. Your defence was excellent yesterday, including the sweeper. All of them were on top of the Dublin forwards.

Brogan was well marshalled, but might lose his place to Andrews. Flynn is nowhere near finished, and will start the next day, injuries permitting.

Different referee will affect the game as well.

Rock's misses were all from distance on a wet day. Dublin only got one free near goal.

Stoner

I'd drop Brogan and Flynn. Flynn is not finished but he's not right either, maybe he won't get right again but it's not definite.

One thing is certain he hasn't fit into the new formation at all he's not passing, scoring or fielding. We've looked pretty poor looking since the Donegal game. Yes it nearly worked yesterday, just about worked versus Kerry but it's a way to play Donegal, not Mayo or Kerry, it's restrictive and the lads look like their instincts are being curtailed.

Brogan is not finished often goes through long poor spells and being dropped has been the cure before. Talk of Brogan being finished is not really realistic option imo, two years ago Andy Moran looked finished but has played well this year. Certainly he doesn't play well with a wet ball in Croker, but that impacted the Mayo forwards too. But in Brogans defence he has done it in the past.

I'd start

Andrews Rock Mannion
Shane B Carthy Connelly Kilkenny
Fenton Bastic
Small McCarthy O'Sullivan
Byrne Cooper McMahon

Subs
Kevin Mac, Costello, Flynn, MDMA, Brogan, Daly Fitzsimmons

That's good impact everywhere

Hopefully it will be a good game the next day. I genuinely didn't feel right yesterday when it appeared that we might sneak it.
Dublin had the opportunity for about 6 handy points yesterday exactly the scores to take on a wet day every time they got in behind the mayo lads they took too much out of it looking for a gaol chance.

Sherlock needs to address this not everyone has his eye for a pass and things are tight in there these days too,lads can't see each other.

A replay was the right result imo.

Stoner

Nidgeweasel wrote:

What's the popular opinion on here, rather a replay or extra time?

Replay