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  • #362
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    God is patient ... and He has politely shown people were they're going wrong ... and indeed their consciences tell them this as well.
    God is also forgiving to all who ask.

    ... but He will not tolerate un-repentent indefinite evil.

    He has to be asked to forgive people? Sounds like rubbing a genies lamp.

    and he will tolerate unrepentent indefinite evil. Or is there an updated bible where he destroyed Satan and his minions?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #363
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    J C wrote: »
    God is patient ... and He has politely shown people were they're going wrong ... and indeed their consciences tell them this as well.
    God is also forgiving to all who ask.

    ... but He will not tolerate un-repentent indefinite evil.

    Which God are you talking about.
    After reading the God Delusion I was shocked at the chilling end the Abrahamic God gave people...
    The pagan Gods were much tamer. ..


  • #364
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    He has to be asked to forgive people? Sounds like rubbing a genies lamp.
    That how we show that we are repentent.
    koth wrote: »
    and he will tolerate unrepentent indefinite evil. Or is there an updated bible where he destroyed Satan and his minions?
    He has condemned Satan and his minions to hell for eternity.
    He doesn't tolerate evil ... but He doesn't destroy it ... He just leaves it to its own devices.


  • #365
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    God is patient ... and He has politely shown people were they're going wrong ... and indeed their consciences tell them this as well.
    God is also forgiving to all who ask.

    ... but He will not tolerate un-repentent indefinite evil.

    Sounds like he is pretty insecure to me, kinda like the clingy girlfriend who keeps asking are you ok or who are you with.


  • #366
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    That how we show that we are repentent.

    He has condemned Satan and his minions to hell for eternity.
    He doesn't tolerate evil ... but He doesn't destroy it ... He just leaves it to its own devices.

    unless you happen to be human. Then he drowns you.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #367
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Sounds like he is pretty insecure to me, kinda like the clingy girlfriend who keeps asking are you ok or who are you with.
    ... more like the confident judge who sends you to jail because you give Him cheek !!!:)


  • #368
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    ... more like the judge who sends you to jail because you give Him cheek !!!:)

    Judge can't do that. They're a bit more restricted in the powers. Generally not allowed run amok like you suggest.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #369
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    A Better question would be, would the Dr. have rescued Noah?
    J C wrote: »
    Like I have said, we don't know wheter children were present due to the carry-on of the Nephilim ... and if there were children, it is likely that they would receive better care in Heaven that in a society where wall-to-wall evil ruled supreme.
    It's likely that the innocent children that your god murdered would receive better care in heaven than in the societies that your god obliterated? Likely, or it's absolutely definite that they would receive better care in a christian heaven?

    Just wondering, as there may be some innocent children living in broken homes and evil societies that are worried about the christian god killing everyone again, but this time not with water, but lava, or low flying helium or something.


  • #370
    sephir0th
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sephir0th


    J C wrote: »
    God has chosen not to exercise His omnipotence ... it's all bound up with His respect for the laws of nature that He has established ... and the free-will with which He has endowed Humanity.

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  • #371
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    ... more like the judge who sends you to jail because you give Him cheek !!!:)

    Nope.

    Your "God" expects people to pray to him...why? As Homer Simpson said i am a good father i work hard i love my family so why should I waste an hour of my day off to go to church just so some guy can tell me I am going to hell.

    Your "God" wants people to ASK for forgiveness. ...why? Why can't he wait till they die and then let them ask him personally?

    Your "God" is willing to forgive murderers, Rapists and even priests all they have to do is go to church and ask for forgiveness and that's it they have a golden ticket to heaven. Innocent children, babies animals and unborn fetus who CANNOT ask for forgiveness are drowned alive....yeah thats some loving "God" you worship :rolleyes:


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  • #372
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    Judge can't do that. They're a bit more restricted in the powers. Generally not allowed run amok like you suggest.
    Oh yes s/he can!!
    Contempt of Court grants them wide powers ... and can result in an indefinite term in prison until you purge your contempt.


  • #373
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Contempt of Court grants them wide powers ... and can result in an indefinite term in prison until you purge your contempt.

    that's a different matter to 'giving them cheek'. and the contempt of court cannot be used to indefinitely, pretty sure there's a limit in years for how long you can be jailed for it.

    Which still more reasonable than drowning everyone, much like your god did.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #374
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Gordon wrote: »
    It's likely that the innocent children that your god murdered would receive better care in heaven than in the societies that your god obliterated? Likely, or it's absolutely definite that they would receive better care in a christian heaven?
    It was a turn of phrase ... Heaven would, of course, beat anything on this Earth ... but normally there is no rush to get there.
    Gordon wrote: »
    Just wondering, as there may be some innocent children living in broken homes and evil societies that are worried about the christian god killing everyone again, but this time not with water, but lava, or low flying helium or something.
    They don't need to worry, as long as there are good people around, like you and me.
    ... now when the Rapture occurs ... then all bets are off!!


  • #375
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    A Better question would be, would the Dr. have rescued Noah?
    J C wrote: »
    It was a turn of phrase ... Heaven would, of course, beat anything on this Earth ... but normally there is no rush to get there.
    Here's hoping there are no turns of phrases in the bible, then, eh?! :D
    They don't need to worry, as long as there are good people around, like you and me.
    ... now when the Rapture occurs ... then all bets are off!!
    Yeah, as long as there are at least two, or 8 good people, the christian god will never kill everyone else again... with water...


  • #376
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    that's a different matter to 'giving them cheek'. and the contempt of court cannot be used to indefinitely, pretty sure there's a limit in years for how long you can be jailed for it.
    Most people don't push it that far ... and the threat of jail is enough for them to turn off their mobile phones in court!!!
    ... as contempt of court isn't codified, in theory somebody can stay in prison indefinitely unless they purge their contempt. Indeed they can also be kept in jail, even after they purge their contempt, if the judge so decides.
    koth wrote: »
    Which still more reasonable than drowning everyone, much like your god did.
    ... only 'much more reasonable' if you believe that absolute evil should be tolerated indefinitely.


  • #377
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Gordon wrote: »
    Here's hoping there are no turns of phrases in the bible, then, eh?! :D
    There are many.:D
    Gordon wrote: »
    Yeah, as long as there are at least two, or 8 good people, the christian god will never kill everyone else again... with water...
    ... got it in one!!;)


  • #378
    Todd Toddington III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Todd Toddington III


    (Wouldn't that also have seen the flood coming?)
    koth wrote: »
    Really? Because the last time I checked the one sending plagues, killer angels or global floods was God. Satan seems to get a bad rep even though it's your god running amok through creation slaughtering people.

    History is written by the victor though. I reckon way way back, like 6000 years ago, in a galaxy far far away, there was this great big battle between the forces of good and evil. On one side you had God and the rebel alliance, on the other Satan and the empire. Well we all know what happened to the empire dont we? So history gets changed and re written, painting satan and the empire as the bad guys when really they weren't at all. They just wanted to add some order to the chaos.


  • #379
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    Can we get back to the fishing boat & the incestuous family that saved us all....by copulating with monkeys.
    See! God & Darwin can co-exist!


  • #380
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Todd Toddington III wrote: »
    History is written by the victor though. I reckon way way back, like 6000 years ago, in a galaxy far far away, there was this great big battle between the forces of good and evil. On one side you had God and the rebel alliance, on the other Satan and the empire. Well we all know what happened to the empire dont we? So history gets changed and re written, painting satan and the empire as the bad guys when really they weren't at all. They just wanted some to add order to the chaos.
    Pretty good account of what happened ... only Satan was and is the emperor of evil.
    ... and as any Satanist can confirm, he is a hard 'task master' ... and that is in this life ... where people can always defect to God.

    Just imagine what he will do to anybody whose fate is sealed as one of his minions ... after death.


  • #381
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    Can we get back to the fishing boat & the incestuous family that saved us all....by copulating with monkeys.
    See! God & Darwin can co-exist!
    I already knew that Darwin married his cousin ... but I didn't know that he had a fishing boat!!:)

    The older I get ... the more I learn!!!


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  • #382
    Todd Toddington III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Todd Toddington III


    (Wouldn't that also have seen the flood coming?)
    J C wrote: »
    Pretty good account of what happened ... only Satan was and is the emperor of evil.
    ... and as any Satanist can confirm, he is a hard 'task master' ... and that is in this life ... where people can always defect to God.

    Just imagine what he will do to anybody whose fate is sealed as one of his minions ... after death.

    But the empire brought order and stability to an entire galaxy and the alliance comes along and f**ks it all up with everything descending into chaos within 20 years
    . Bit like this god of yours, chaos reigns supreme; go ahead and murder/rape/torture each other, sure tis grand wont I forgive ya later on? And ya know what? I might even join in on it every so often myself, looks like fun!
    And dont worry everbody, your all going to heaven anyway so relax and enjoy the swim (Well the believers anyway, the rest of you can f**k right off to satans gaff, the p***k)


  • #383
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Todd Toddington III wrote: »
    But the empire brought order and stability to an entire galaxy and the alliance comes along and f**ks it all up with everything descending into chaos within 20 years
    . Bit like this god of yours, chaos reigns supreme; go ahead and murder/rape/torture each other, sure tis grand wont I forgive ya later on? And ya know what? I might even join in on it every so often myself, looks like fun!
    And dont worry everbody, your all going to heaven anyway so relax and enjoy the swim (Well the believers anyway, the rest of you can f**k right off to satans gaff, the p***k)
    Is that Satan's version of events? ... do you not know that he is the father of lies?


  • #384
    EdgarFriendly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29 ✭EdgarFriendly


    J C wrote: »
    Pretty good account of what happened ... only Satan was and is the emperor of evil.

    Why is Satan made out to be the bad guy in the bible, when it's God doing all the killing and slaughtering? Genuine question.


  • #385
    Todd Toddington III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Todd Toddington III


    (Wouldn't that also have seen the flood coming?)
    J C wrote: »
    Is that Satan's version of events? ... do you not know that he is the father of lies?

    Well if we're using labels then god is the father of genocide


  • #386
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    J C wrote: »
    This repeated accusation that God is a mass murderer is a confusion on your part

    JC your delusion is best refuted thusly:
    Terry Pratchett wrote:
    I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.

    From his Unseen Academicals.

    You could do a lot worse than read his oeuvre, for example, read the bible.


  • #387
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,140 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Someone's already had a go at "fixing" the trailer (with added Language):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVRZOJ6IUt4

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • #388
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    EdgarFriendly wrote: »
    Why is Satan made out to be the bad guy in the bible, when it's God doing all the killing and slaughtering? Genuine question.
    That's a bit like asking why murderers are made out to be the bad guys ... when its the judges who sentence them to death and the executioners who execute them?

    Satan is the lawless one ... and God is always patient, always loving ... but ultimately a just judge ... when He has to be.


  • #389
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Todd Toddington III wrote: »
    Well if we're using labels then god is the father of genocide
    ... the father of the Human Race more like.


  • #390
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    JC your delusion is best refuted thusly:



    From his Unseen Academicals.

    You could do a lot worse than read his oeuvre, for example, read the bible.
    That's our Fallen World allright ... fallen because of Satans nefarious system of good and evil.


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  • #391
    Todd Toddington III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Todd Toddington III


    (Wouldn't that also have seen the flood coming?)
    J C wrote: »
    ... the father of the Human Race more like.

    Well no actually my father is John. And his father was Vincent.


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