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  • #302
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    J C wrote: »
    ... and they have been a revelation to me ... about just how little evidence there actually is for abiogenesis and evolution. This has often been hidden by a welter of personally abusive comments about both myself and God ... as well as random 'pot shots' at Creation Science conclusions ... while studiously ignoring much greater deficiencies in the Abiogenesis/Evolution hypothesis.
    The most recent posts are a good example in microcosm ... myself and oldrwiser were engaged in a serious and civil debate over Noahs Flood and the physical evidence for and against it ... when other people jumped in and mobbed the thread with accusations that I was insane ... and that God was evil or insane or both.

    I am not a religious fundamentalist ... but there are a number of other people on these threads behaving like religious bigots in the bullying abusive comments that they direct at me.

    All I'm doing is presenting the evidence ... I leave the conclusions to the readers ... and any salvation result to God.

    What evidence?!
    You have none.
    You have wild flights of fantasy, stupendously incoherent babblings of non-evolution evolution & makey-upy science that would put a snakeoil salesman to shame.


  • #303
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    That's unfair to snakeoil salesmen, they'd be able to con someone into swallowing their lunacy.

    Also: Called it. Again. My predictions about J C seem to be holding up well. Perhaps it's time to put forward a proper Theory about his attempts at bullsh*tting people with his creationist hilarity?


  • #304
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    God has chosen not to exercise His omnipotence ... it's all bound up with His respect for the laws of nature that He has established ... and the free-will with which He has endowed Humanity.

    wut???

    you just spent the last number of posts saying God can do what he wants because he's the god of justice. Now he respects the laws of nature? But he didn't respect them back when Noah was around. The bearded one is seriously bi-polar.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #305
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    So he'll break his own laws to punish some evil people, but won't break them when millions of innocent lives are on the line?

    Sounds like a lovely god.
    He really doesn't like evil obviously.
    ... and He will answer the prayers of those who call on Him ... in His own chosen way.


  • #306
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    That's your problem then.
    I know God ... and I know Him to be loving and meciful and just in equal measure.
    I choose to avail of His love and mercy ... you are perfectly free to avail of His justice, if you wish to.
    It's not a problem at all for me, as I'm not a Christian. You're the one that worships The Drowner of Babes.
    It was wiped out for being irredeemably evil ... not for thinking that He didn't exist.
    Atheists go to hell, just like anyone God casts away. If I'm on a list for the fiery place then I don't fancy my odds when he gets in a drowning mood again.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #307
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    wut???

    you just spent the last number of posts saying God can do what he wants because he's the god of justice. Now he respects the laws of nature?
    As a God of justice He doesn't do whatever He wants ... He delivers justice in accordance with law.

    koth wrote: »
    But he didn't respect them back when Noah was around.
    True ... when it comes down to a choice between eliminating widespread and indefinite evil and respecting the independence of the Laws of Nature He has chosen to eliminate overwhelming evil.


  • #308
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    As a God of justice He doesn't do whatever He wants ... He delivers justice in accordance with law.

    True ... when it comes down to a choice between eliminating widespread and indefinite evil and respecting the independence of the Laws of Nature He has chosen to eliminate overwhelming evil.

    And decrees what is 'law' and what is 'evil'? The Drowner, that's who. That means he does exactly as he wishes. Unless you're going to tell me that a God Snr. is running the show.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #309
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    It's not a problem at all for me, as I'm not a Christian. You're the one that worships The Drowner of Babes.
    You're making assumptions that the babies were present at the Flood ... and if they were, you're also assuming that they were better off under the evil regime that ruled prior to the Flood (that seems to have been engaged in all kinds of nefarious sexual activity) rather than in Heaven with a merciful God.
    koth wrote: »
    Atheists go to hell, just like anyone God casts away. If I'm on a list for the fiery place then I don't fancy my odds when he gets in a drowning mood again.
    That's very sad ... and totally avoidable.


  • #310
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    A Better question would be, would the Dr. have rescued Noah?
    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    Ye can still change post-counts the old fashioned way by soft-deleting a load of posts. :pac:
    Well I certainly wouldn't erase anything personal in the way that happened before, even if it is justified by myself, because I have said that I wouldn't ever do it again that way. But yes, technically I allow myself the potential to nullify such personal attachments via that method, because I haven't said that I would never do it that way.

    To be honest, I can do whatever the hell I like, but I restrain from doing so, to give you all a chance to show me that you're following my rules and that you love me as I love you. But I might change my mind, so be on your toes.


  • #311
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    And decrees what is 'law' and what is 'evil'? The Drowner, that's who. That means he does exactly as he wishes. Unless you're going to tell me that a God Snr. is running the show.
    He decrees what is law and what is evil in accordance with His omniscient knowledge of these issues.
    He could do exactly as He wishes in accordance with His omnipotence ... but as a just God, He delivers His justice in exact accordance with His Legal omniscience.


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  • #312
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Amen.


  • #313
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    A Better question would be, would the Dr. have rescued Noah?
    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    Amen.
    Thank you.


  • #314
    EdgarFriendly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29 ✭EdgarFriendly


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    Amen.

    Sexist.


  • #315
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    You're making assumptions that the babies were present at the Flood ... and if they were, you're also assuming that they were better off under the evil regime that ruled prior to the Flood (that seems to have been engaged in all kinds of nefarious sexual activity) rather than in Heaven with a merciful God.
    Looks like someone has problems with the killing of children as carried out by God. It was a global flood. Unless you want to state that there were no people below 18 on planet Earth, your God killed babes.
    That's very sad ... and totally avoidable.
    It's entirely unlikely as it's most probable that the Christian god and hell don't exist. So I won't be converting because of the fear factor.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #316
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    He decrees what is law and what is evil in accordance with His omniscient knowledge of these issues.
    He could do exactly as He wishes in accordance with His omnipotence ... but as a just God, He delivers His justice in exact accordance with His Legal omniscience.

    that's what I said, he does what he wants. No oversight, no court of appeals, just drown 'em all. There is nothing to restrain him when he's being a bit murderous.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #317
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    J C wrote: »
    you're also assuming that they were better off under the evil regime that ruled prior to the Flood (that seems to have been engaged in all kinds of nefarious sexual activity) rather than in Heaven with a merciful God.


    This is beyond fcked up. Kids and babies should go through a horrible death because of a world he created and knew would happen. I don't think it's impossible to be so. But that God is a sicko.


  • #318
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    Looks like someone has problems with the killing of children as carried out by God. It was a global flood. Unless you want to state that there were no people below 18 on planet Earth, your God killed babes.
    Like I have said, we don't know wheter children were present due to the carry-on of the Nephilim ... and if there were children, it is likely that they would receive better care in Heaven that in a society where wall-to-wall evil ruled supreme.
    koth wrote: »
    It's entirely unlikely as it's most probable that the Christian god and hell don't exist. So I won't be converting because of the fear factor.
    That is OK ... but it's an almighty one-way bet.
    You're very brave.


  • #319
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    that's what I said, he does what he wants. No oversight, no court of appeals, just drown 'em all. There is nothing to restrain him when he's being a bit murderous.
    He doesn't need any courts of appeal as He is omnipotent and omniscient, perfectly just and perfectly merciful.
    ... and therefore His decisions are perfect first time and every time.
    His justice impels Him to punish ... and His mercy impels Him to forgive.

    The choice of whether we receive punishment or forgiveness is up to us.


  • #320
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    This is the most shoddily written episode of Supernatural ever.


  • #321
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Except for the entire world he drowned. Women, children, unborn living creatures of every variety. No mercy there. Because he was in a pissy mood.

    You've given your life to worshipping a sociopathic, narcissistic child killer J C. It's amazing watching you try to twist out of it.


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  • #322
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    Like I have said, we don't know wheter children were present due to the carry-on of the Nephilim ... and if there were children, it is likely that they would receive better care in Heaven that in a society where wall-to-wall evil ruled supreme.

    That is OK ... but it's an almighty one-way bet.
    You're very brave.

    Children would get better care in heaven? Living with the villain who killed them? They'd be living in Evil Central under the thumb of King Evil.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #323
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Corkfeen wrote: »
    This is the most shoddily written episode of Supernatural ever.

    so glad I'm not the only that had that thought :D

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #324
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    smcgiff wrote: »
    This is beyond fcked up. Kids and babies should go through a horrible death because of a world he created and knew would happen. I don't think it's impossible to be so. But that God is a sicko.
    God doesn't create evil ... we do ... and the stark choice faced by chidren, if they were present, prior to the Flood, may have been between Hell on Earth or God's loving protection in Heaven.


  • #325
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    He doesn't need any courts of appeal as He is omnipotent and omniscient, perfectly just and perfectly merciful.
    ... and therefore His decisions are perfect first time and every time.
    His justice impels Him to punish ... and His mercy impels Him to forgive.

    The choice of whether we receive punishment or forgiveness is up to us.

    Actually no it's not. It's up to that cosmic despot you worship.

    Murdering a global population, as well as animals and plants is objectively unjust. Genocide isn't something that a reasonable person should be making excuses for.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #326
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    I'm fairly sure there is not a single reasonable person making excuses for the christian god's genocidal tendencies.


  • #327
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    A Better question would be, would the Dr. have rescued Noah?
    God !win approaching...


  • #328
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    J C wrote: »
    God doesn't create evil ... we do ... and the stark choice faced by chidren, if they were persent, prior to the Flood may have been between Hell on Earth or God's loving protection in Heaven.

    They didn't have a choice. The Drowner wiped them off the face of the Earth. And as they were wicked, they were condemned to hell.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #329
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    "The Drowner"... That does have a nice ring to it. I may have to use that name from now on.


  • #330
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    A Better question would be, would the Dr. have rescued Noah?
    koth wrote: »
    They didn't have a choice. The Drowner wiped them off the face of the Earth. And as they were wicked, they were condemned to hell.
    The christian god is allowed to abort people at any age.


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  • #331
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    Children would get better care in heaven? Living with the villain who killed them? They'd be living in Evil Central under the thumb of King Evil.
    Children (or anybody else) certainly wouldn't get better care from Satan and his accomplices on Earth before the Flood or in Hell after it.


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