Pylons

gk5000

The first question is : do we really need this?

We already have one 275kv interconnector.
So it would be nice to have this second one mainly for security, but its not worth the cost - and we'll all have to pay.

I will put up with a few hours outages per year on this one line due to storm damage or whatever, rather than building this second line.
And remember that both the North and Republic have their own independant supplies, so the interconnetor is more about efficiency and to equalise peaks so is not even crucial in itself.

Capt'n Midnight

BattleCorp wrote: »

Have you ever stood under an electricity pylon. There's a fair ould buzz coming from them. I wonder are there any health implications for being so close to such a strong electrical field?

Electrical field is volts divided by meters distance.

Not too long ago everyone had CRT TV's. At 20-30KV on the tube just being in the same room would be far worse than standing under a pylon.
And unlike CRT's pylons don't emit X-rays. It's a wonder any of us made it out childhood.

your microwave is capable of chucking out 4KV, as are many laser printers.

Even the electrical field from the mains wiring in your house is pretty strong and you are exposed to it 24/7

Capt'n Midnight

almighty1 wrote: »

Maintenance? (This is actually a very good read, I recommend it for you)
http://www.atvinnuvegaraduneyti.is/media/fylgigogn-raflinur-i-jord/33-Underground-high-voltage-cables-Leonardo.pdf

page 24

The best way to compare underground cables with overhead lines is through
the availability of the system to transmit power. The UK National Grid
published statistics that show non-availability of 0.126 hours per year per
kilometer of 400 kV overhead line, compared with 6.4 hours per year for its
400 kV underground cables,
...
Minor storm damage to overhead lines across Europe is only a frequent
event for low/medium voltage lines, as lines on the taller 400kV pylons are
safely out of reach and the pylons are much more sturdily constructed.

And there are too many idiots with JCB's in this country

shruikan2553

Would think the Irish would be understanding of pylons all over the place considering their love of once off housing through out the countryside. When you are surrounded by expanses of land you can buy it or risk someone else putting something on the land.

Dempsey

Companies are only interested in the profit and alot of infrastructure projects in this country are built without alot of forward thinking and planning just so money could be made. People should lodge their objections and be heard, a proper process is required. Some will have merit, some wont but allowing companies to do whatever they want is a large part of the problem of where we are now as a country.

fits

Manchester7 wrote: »

This forum makes me laugh. People are getting wound up by obvious people with vested interests i.e. with some of the comments for pro pylons it is obvious that the posters are connected in some way to Eirgrid and are planted on this site and many more sites in the guise of genuine people in support of pylons.(it's amazing how many posters on this subject live beside a pylon and think it is ok). I can assure you we have done a lot of house calls to estates and one off houses near pylons for research during our campaign against pylons and not one of those people is happy to live near a pylon. In fact most have told us that their lives are a misery as a result of the pylons. Please anti pylon posters, don't get wound up by eirgrid people on this forums

I dont think eirgrid care that much about what people are posting on forums somehow. some people want to see the electricity infrastructure being up to date and I cant blame anyone for that. Its the railroading over people that eirgrid are doing which is unacceptable. Was anyone unaffected by that lady on Prime Time who had a 440 kV line going right over her garden? Herself and her husband are both sick, cant sell their house and never got a penny compensation. Its just wrong to do that to people.

slippy wicket

Whatever about people think of pylons, I see in this weeks wexford echo newspapers there is some loon scaremongering about the dangers of smart water metering. Apparently water becomes extremely dangerous when exposed to a tiny electric field. :roll:
He was speaking to one of those 'anti-austerity' groups so it was hardly the most credulous group.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Manchester7 wrote: »

This forum makes me laugh. People are getting wound up by obvious people with vested interests i.e. with some of the comments for pro pylons it is obvious that the posters are connected in some way to Eirgrid and are planted on this site and many more sites in the guise of genuine people in support of pylons.(it's amazing how many posters on this subject live beside a pylon and think it is ok). I can assure you we have done a lot of house calls to estates and one off houses near pylons for research during our campaign against pylons and not one of those people is happy to live near a pylon. In fact most have told us that their lives are a misery as a result of the pylons. Please anti pylon posters, don't get wound up by eirgrid people on this forums

By all means argue your side of the story but when you come out with this kind of statement you don't do much for your cause. I immediately associate you with the chemtrails wackos who call shill whenever anyone argues against them. I do have a pylon outside my home and I really really don't care. Would I like it not to be there? Sure might make my view a bit nicer but does it make my life a misery? No. Do I see the practical need for such structures? Yes.

Zubeneschamali

fits wrote: »

Was anyone unaffected by that lady on Prime Time who had a 440 kV line going right over her garden? Herself and her husband are both sick

Unfortunate, but nothing to do with the pylon, unless stressing out over it has made them ill.

returnNull

Manchester7 wrote: »

People are getting wound up by obvious people with vested interests

and then you say this

I can assure you we have done a lot of house calls to estates and one off houses near pylons for research during our campaign against pylons.

hmmmmm........
Who is this 'we' you talk of?

darkpagandeath

Manchester7 wrote: »

This forum makes me laugh. People are getting wound up by obvious people with vested interests i.e. with some of the comments for pro pylons it is obvious that the posters are connected in some way to Eirgrid and are planted on this site and many more sites in the guise of genuine people in support of pylons.(it's amazing how many posters on this subject live beside a pylon and think it is ok). I can assure you we have done a lot of house calls to estates and one off houses near pylons for research during our campaign against pylons and not one of those people is happy to live near a pylon. In fact most have told us that their lives are a misery as a result of the pylons. Please anti pylon posters, don't get wound up by eirgrid people on this forums

And if i said i don't believe in chemtrials would i be a lizard person too ? because someone who has a different point of view must be working for the company right ?

SmurfX

Links234 wrote: »

You must construct additional pylons

Sad that I entered this thread purely to see if someone would say this or not. But well, I got what I came for so carry on. :pac:

The Dagda

darkpagandeath wrote: »

500m is just under half a mile away..

Half a mile is 800m.

hansfrei

The Dagda wrote: »

Half a mile is 800m.

An Irish mile is nearly two kilometers

ScumLord

Victor Yummy Revolver wrote: »

I have pylons running through the fields immediately surrounding my home. No big deal, believe me. I appreciate all the benefits.

Superpowers?


I think pylons could serve more than one purpose. If they did something around each pylon to give local wildlife a habitat it would be have a conservation element to it.

hansfrei

ScumLord wrote: »

Superpowers?


I think pylons could serve more than one purpose. If they did something around each pylon to give local wildlife a habitat it would be have a conservation element to it.

We could have fried wildlife if they get too close to the line?

Caliden

The only reason they are being put above ground is because it's cheaper, which is idiotic.

It makes more sense from a maintenance, safety and uptime standpoint to have them below ground where they are out of sight and won't be affected by storms/high winds.

These pylons are 150 foot tall for feck sake, they're huge!

fits

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Unfortunate, but nothing to do with the pylon, unless stressing out over it has made them ill.

you don't know that. Nobody does. The fact they cant sell their house and move is a massive stresser also. Impacts on mental health are serious too.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Caliden wrote: »

The only reason they are being put above ground is because it's cheaper, which is idiotic.

It makes more sense from a maintenance, safety and uptime standpoint to have them below ground where they are out of sight and won't be affected by storms/high winds.

QUOTE]

That rubbish statement has already been debunked.
And cheaper suits just fine, why should we borrow billions to bury them underground just to suit a few loons and NIMBYs!

ScumLord

hansfrei wrote: »

We could have fried wildlife if they get too close to the line?

Only if they can somehow make a connection between the lines and the ground. Birds already use electricity cables as stop off points. Birds might benefit particularly well if the noise of the lines drives off other animals.

Caliden wrote: »

It makes more sense from a maintenance, safety and uptime standpoint to have them below ground where they are out of sight and won't be affected by storms/high winds.

there's no possible way it's cheaper or easier to run maintainence on underground lines. They'll be digging them up every two months as they do now with anything underground.

darkpagandeath

hansfrei wrote: »

An Irish mile is nearly two kilometers

I was going by country miles...

darkpagandeath

hansfrei wrote: »

We could have fried wildlife if they get too close to the line?

Got to love peoples understanding of things .. I bet some people think you cant touch the pylon as it will be live ... :P Paint the bottom half of the pylon green and the top half an off blue sorted you would barely see them 500m away

Capt'n Midnight

hansfrei wrote: »

An Irish mile is nearly two kilometers

It's not really an Irish mile, like a bakers dozen it was a bigger than normal measure so people would feel cheated. The people in this case were those who got the land Cromwell confiscated.

Mountainsandh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWoe81qd3jo

Houses of the Oireachtas 20/11/13
Regional community concerns in respect of Eirgrid's Grid 25 project to upgrade the electricity transmission network.

An hour long, but if you are going to debate on this, you might want to hear this. Lots of interesting viewpoints from community representatives. Thought I'd share for whoever's interested and has the time !

The Dagda

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I was going by country miles...

That makes you even more wrong.

micosoft

Dempsey wrote: »

Companies are only interested in the profit and alot of infrastructure projects in this country are built without alot of forward thinking and planning just so money could be made. People should lodge their objections and be heard, a proper process is required. Some will have merit, some wont but allowing companies to do whatever they want is a large part of the problem of where we are now as a country.

Eirgrid is state owned and a non profit. Their only remit is provide a cost effective and reliable national grid. They have put a huge amount of forward planning and thinking - that's why it's called Grid 25. Perhaps if you'd read this easily available information instead of making up the first conspiracy theory that enters your head you'd have a greater understanding of how the country works.

micosoft

Caliden wrote: »

It makes more sense from a maintenance, safety and uptime standpoint to have them below ground where they are out of sight and won't be affected by storms/high winds.

As has already been pointed out with sources on this thread the truth on every item here is the exact opposite to what you have stated.

Dempsey

micosoft wrote: »

Eirgrid is state owned and a non profit. Their only remit is provide a cost effective and reliable national grid. They have put a huge amount of forward planning and thinking - that's why it's called Grid 25. Perhaps if you'd read this easily available information instead of making up the first conspiracy theory that enters your head you'd have a greater understanding of how the country works.

So if its not cost effective, nobody can make a profit out of electricity and companies using their infrastructure will run out of capital in jig time. Ah yes, the company brochure is sure to have no bias in its information :rolleyes:

You sound like an employee, are you?

No conspiracy theories here, money makes the world go round and most only will do what they are legally required to in the country they are operating and spin it as ethics. Thats the reality whether you can handle that or not.

crackcrack30

Cant see this happening without some serious compensation, house purchases and a lot of burial in places. the ESB & Eirgrid are not interested in saving the consumer money........ they are only interested in saving costs to themselves.

The love of land go's very deep & and no generation of a family has the right to see it spoilt or destroyed...

The farmers have said that they have no issue with the lines passing under their land, and that they welcome improved national infrastructure...as has been supported by them in many different industries/utilities from roads to gas to masts ect....

Taking the proven/unproven health risks out of it ...would any of these Ceo's or politicians agree to a pylon without lines to be built within 100m of their homes just as an act of 'solidarity' for a few years I'm sure it can be arranged....

If the ESB or Eirgrid were interested in saving the consumer/customer money or providing the cheapest electricity possible they wouldn't be asking us to subsidise their own home ESB bills and thousands of employees bills to the tune of 55% each month

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oppenheimer1

Every time I hear this argument that it will destroy the landscape for tourists I have to laugh. I recently posted an extract of the eirgrid route map over in the Carlow forum and you couldn't count the number of one-off houses in the vicinity of the pylon route. If anything the landscape has already been destroyed by these houses, but you didn't hear the locals complaining.


What you do hear the locals complaining about though is the lack of jobs in the south east. Of course it seems to be lost on them that in order to attract investment, the government has to put in place the necessary infrastructure in advance.


Yes it would be nice if we could afford to bury the lines, nut it isn't practical, and it would be unfair to burden the entire state with such a cost to appease nimbyism. What the pressure groups should be pushing for is a less obtrusive design for the towers: the uk national grid recently ran a competition to find a new design and the competition finalists produced some striking designs.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2011/sep/14/shortlist-designs-electricity-pylons-in-pictures#/?picture=380444042&index=0