Pylons

darkpagandeath

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/gilmore-monster-pylons-must-comply-with-standards-249432.html

Interesting would these people be complaining like this when they have no electricity ?

The proposed pylons would be 45m high and amount to 750 “monster” structures along a 250km route, warned the Tipperary South TD. “This infrastructure will blight the landscape for locals and visitors alike and will destroy our tourism industry.”

These people are the same type that will say Dublin should not have skyscrapers. they would affect tourism.. they do know that in most countries skyscraper are a good thing for trade and tourism right ? no wind farms no recycling centres. Don't build anything by me or were i can see it i paid for the view.... oh wait

Mint Aero

darkpagandeath wrote: »

These people are the same type that will say Dublin should not have skyscrapers. they would affect tourism.. they do know that in most countries skyscraper are a good thing for trade and tourism right ? no wind farms no recycling centres. Don't build anything by me or were i can see it i paid for the view.... oh wait

Dont forget...
'That money would be better spent on hospital beds'

darkpagandeath

Mint Aero wrote: »

Dont forget...
'That money would be better spent on hospital beds'

The children's hospital they weren't allowed to build in Dublin ? I'm guessing these people think magic fairy dust powers hospitals ?

MadsL

darkpagandeath wrote: »

45m high [/I]

Liberty hall is just 59 m. That's a big pylon.

These people are the same type that will say Dublin should not have skyscrapers. they would affect tourism.. they do know that in most countries skyscraper are a good thing for trade and tourism right ? no wind farms no recycling centres. Don't build anything by me or were i can see it i paid for the view.... oh wait

Is there any evidence for that?

SV

Don't mind them at all, anyway, pylons can be amazing looking..if they wanted them to be
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxPG6y8Qctk/TJj54ZCcVjI/AAAAAAAAgJs/jCzalKCwl9U/s800/Giant+Pylon+Men+-+Land+of+Giants+(2).jpg

MadsL

SV wrote: »

Don't mind them at all, anyway, pylons can be amazing looking..if they wanted them to be
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxPG6y8Qctk/TJj54ZCcVjI/AAAAAAAAgJs/jCzalKCwl9U/s800/Giant+Pylon+Men+-+Land+of+Giants+(2).jpg

Immediately thought of the DDDA Gormley scupture..

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kven8b4QhC1qa5h7no1_400.jpg

Links234

You must construct additional pylons

Minderbinder

darkpagandeath wrote: »

The children's hospital they weren't allowed to build in Dublin ? I'm guessing these people think magic fairy dust powers hospitals ?

You could probably power what's left of hospitals in Tipperary on fairy dust.

OneArt

Oh my God, infrastructure! What is this Devil-craft?

MadsL

OneArt wrote: »

Oh my God, infrastructure! What is this Devil-craft?

Oh my god. The ground...we can dig it up and lay cables in it. What sorcery is this???

biko

As long as one pylon is placed next to Gilmore's house I'm ok with the plans.

Mountainsandh

What's causing the anger is that there is an alternative.

Grayson

Links234 wrote: »

You must construct additional pylons

entaro adun.:)

knird evol

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Interesting would these people be complaining like this when they have no electricity ?

Another option would be to allow them to have electricity and run cables underground.

Zubeneschamali

knird evol wrote: »

Another option would be to allow them to have electricity and run cables underground.

Unfortunately, underground HV cables cost a bazillion times as much to build and maintain.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

knird evol wrote: »

Another option would be to allow them to have electricity and run cables underground.

Under grounding costs between 5 and 14 times more than overhead. Repair of faults in underground cables is more than 10 times more expensive. Are we willing to carry this cost in all our electricity bills?

knird evol

Victor Yummy Revolver wrote: »

Are we willing to carry this cost in all our electricity bills?

I'm just noting that the issue is very cut and dried for someone who doubtless hasn't a pylon within a fifty mile radius of them. The thoughts and cost/benefits feelings of those in pylon land should be respected.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

knird evol wrote: »

I'm just noting that the issue is very cut and dried for someone who doubtless hasn't a pylon within a fifty mile radius of them. The thoughts and cost/benefits feelings of those in pylon land should be respected.

I have pylons running through the fields immediately surrounding my home. No big deal, believe me. I appreciate all the benefits.

knird evol

Victor Yummy Revolver wrote: »

No big deal, believe me.

It might be a big deal to one person and a small deal to another and everywhere else along the scale. The only point I'm making is that it is a little disrespectful and unfair to sneer 'how would you like no electricity' to the people who might not like pylons all around them.

doopa

Victor Yummy Revolver wrote: »

Under grounding costs between 5 and 14 times more than overhead. Repair of faults in underground cables is more than 10 times more expensive. Are we willing to carry this cost in all our electricity bills?

Not to disagree but have you a link for that? hearing a lot from people about the pylons recently. Not as bothered about them myself so would appreciate links to dispel the arguments if possible.

I agree aesthetically that they should go underground where possible.

Frank Black

knird evol wrote: »

It might be a big deal to one person and a small deal to another and everywhere else along the scale. The only point I'm making is that it is a little disrespectful and unfair to sneer 'how would you like no electricity' to the people who might not like pylons all around them.

Let them **** off and live in a cave if they don't want to put up with the 'inconvenience' of having a pylon located near them.

People like this drive me mad, they want all the conveniences that modern engineering can bestow like electricity, clean running water, sanitation - things that people from even 100years ago would find magical - but, put a necessary part of that infrastructure within 500 yards of them and their phoning Joe Duffy or onto their local Councillor.

****ing Clowns!

5starpool

NIMBY

knird evol

Frank Black wrote: »

Let them **** off and live in a cave if they don't want to put up with the 'inconvenience' of having a pylon located near them.

People like this drive me mad, they want all the conveniences that modern engineering can bestow like electricity, clean running water, sanitation - things that people from even 100years ago would find magical - but, put a necessary part of that infrastructure within 500 yards of them and their phoning Joe Duffy or onto their local Councillor.

****ing Clowns!

It's amazing the disparity in numbers between real life and internet forums - the amount of aggressive, abrasive, in your face hard men on-line and so seldom in real life. The difference of course being that when you tell someone to their face to Fck Off and live in a cave - you have to able to back it up or otherwise you're losing teeth.

spank_inferno

They know that the louder they whinge, the more compo they get.

darkpagandeath

MadsL wrote: »

Liberty hall is just 59 m. That's a big pylon.



Is there any evidence for that?

No i guess the world trade centre towers were just cleaver names.. no one wants to get on top of the empire state building to admire the view. Taipei World Financial Centre same oh and the big hotel in Dubai no thanks

knird evol wrote: »

It might be a big deal to one person and a small deal to another and everywhere else along the scale. The only point I'm making is that it is a little disrespectful and unfair to sneer 'how would you like no electricity' to the people who might not like pylons all around them.

This is the worst country i have lived in when it come to this kind of stuff wonder what a person from Norway/Germany would say about people complaining about needed infrastructure. Would they be complaining if they put high speed broadband up on posts for them ?

Victor Yummy Revolver

Victor Yummy Revolver wrote: »

I have pylons running through the fields immediately surrounding my home. No big deal, believe me. I appreciate all the benefits.

What's this? Someone who lives near a pylon not suffering from a made-up ailment? :P

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

What's this? Someone who lives near a pylon not suffering from a made-up ailment? :P

Yeah odd people complaining about pylons and ailments I'm guessing they don't realise you have wiring in your house with electricity in it ? if electricity was the problem i would be worrying about it in my house not 500m away in a field.

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah odd people complaining about pylons and ailments I'm guessing they don't realise you have wiring in your house with electricity in it ? if electricity was the problem i would be worrying about it in my house not 500m away in a field.

The laptop on the lap, the phone in the pocket, the modem behind the chair, the TV 4 feet away, no, it's the pylon half a mile away :P

Cienciano

darkpagandeath wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/gilmore-monster-pylons-must-comply-with-standards-249432.html

Interesting would these people be complaining like this when they have no electricity ?

The proposed pylons would be 45m high and amount to 750 “monster” structures along a 250km route, warned the Tipperary South TD. “This infrastructure will blight the landscape for locals and visitors alike and will destroy our tourism industry.”

These people are the same type that will say Dublin should not have skyscrapers. they would affect tourism.. they do know that in most countries skyscraper are a good thing for trade and tourism right ? no wind farms no recycling centres. Don't build anything by me or were i can see it i paid for the view.... oh wait

Have to laugh at this one. If the massive tourist industry in South Tipp and Carlow is "destroyed", it's not by pylons.

Frank Black

knird evol wrote: »

It's amazing the disparity in numbers between real life and internet forums - the amount of aggressive, abrasive, in your face hard men on-line and so seldom in real life. The difference of course being that when you tell someone to their face to Fck Off and live in a cave - you have to able to back it up or otherwise you're losing teeth.

Your seem confused between a 'Let them **** off and live in a cave attitude' as against an 'I'd tell them to **** off and live in a cave' statement.

Cantona's Collars

Big hulabaloo down my way over pylons aswell which are planned to run from Campile to Dublin.Getting bombarded lately with flyers,facebook updates from anti-pylon groups.Personally I don't care,it's not as if they're going up in people's gardens.

They are needed as the country consumes more & more electricity but as usual the scaremongering wins out over common sense.
Reminds me of the time the local radio station interviewed some nimby busybody who campaigned against a mobile phone mast on a hill (which was nowhere near her place) near Oulart.The interviewer ended the chat by asking was she in contact with the radio station via a mobile,of course she was.

Wherever there's progress in this country we have nimby's,one of the biggest housing estates in the town here is still waiting for eFibre due to one of these clowns.

paulbok

SV wrote: »

Don't mind them at all, anyway, pylons can be amazing looking..if they wanted them to be
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxPG6y8Qctk/TJj54ZCcVjI/AAAAAAAAgJs/jCzalKCwl9U/s800/Giant+Pylon+Men+-+Land+of+Giants+(2).jpg

Can you imagine hundreds of these in YMCA poses across the mountains?

Cantona's Collars

paulbok wrote: »

Can you imagine hundreds of these in YMCA poses across the mountains?

They could have them holding hurleys down in Tipp,that'd keep them happy.I bet if Michael Lowry told the masses down there that the pylons are going up he'd be hailed a hero (again)

darkpagandeath

zerks wrote: »

Big hulabaloo down my way over pylons aswell which are planned to run from Campile to Dublin.Getting bombarded lately with flyers,facebook updates from anti-pylon groups.Personally I don't care,it's not as if they're going up in people's gardens.

They are needed as the country consumes more & more electricity but as usual the scaremongering wins out over common sense.
Reminds me of the time the local radio station interviewed some nimby busybody who campaigned against a mobile phone mast on a hill (which was nowhere near her place) near Oulart.The interviewer ended the chat by asking was she in contact with the radio station via a mobile,of course she was.

Wherever there's progress in this country we have nimby's,one of the biggest housing estates in the town here is still waiting for eFibre due to one of these clowns.

Remember mobiles giving you cancer ? and all that nonsense most people would not be able to live without there IPhone and so on now

Cantona's Collars

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Remember mobiles giving you cancer ? and all that nonsense most people would not be able to live without there IPhone and so on now

That was her argument and all the while using one herself,some people object just for the sake of it.Isn't there some eejit in Galway who does it constantly,waits for a new road or whatever to be announced & immediately lodges an objection.Doesn't matter if it's at the far side of the country.

Fr_Dougal

These pylons aren't going anywhere near me so why should other people have a problem with them?

darkpagandeath

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

These pylons aren't going anywhere near me so why should other people have a problem with them?

Just like there over 500m away from the people complaining about them there no were near them. 500m is just under half a mile away..

Links234

zerks wrote: »

That was her argument and all the while using one herself,some people object just for the sake of it.Isn't there some eejit in Galway who does it constantly,waits for a new road or whatever to be announced & immediately lodges an objection.Doesn't matter if it's at the far side of the country.

I think I know who you're on about

people in this country can be such unbelievable objectors and whingers

SV

paulbok wrote: »

Can you imagine hundreds of these in YMCA poses across the mountains?

I can dream

kneemos

They are unslightly things in fairness if you have to look out the window at one,even half a mile away.
Value of your property would probably suffer as well I'd imagine.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

They are unslightly things in fairness if you have to look out the window at one,even half a mile away.
Value of your property would probably suffer as well I'd imagine.

Ah ok so a house in the country is worth more if it has no access to running hot/cold water sewerage electricity roads then ? you get added value from all the fly tipping and destroyed Boggs from turf cutting in the vicinity ?

kneemos

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ah ok so a house in the country is worth more if it has no access to running hot/cold water sewerage electricity roads then ? you get added value from all the fly tipping and destroyed Boggs from turf cutting in the vicinity ?

Just sayin.
If the pylons are running from south Wexford. Dublin I don't know how they can avoid coming close to properties at some stage,but I don't know the details just seen a few anti posters about.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Just sayin.
If the pylons are running from south Wexford. Dublin I don't know how they can avoid coming close to properties at some stage,but I don't know the details just seen a few anti posters about.

Exactly there not putting them next to peoples houses on purpose there trying to do it in the most cost effective way. Imagine it was the other way around and the closest access to power was over 500m away ? pretty sure there would be outrage about no access to electricity. Imagine you lived in Africa somewhere with no power and they put power in with pylons would you be complaining then ? I'm sorry to tell you your house in the country is never going to be worth half a million Euros them days are gone.

Grayson

Cienciano wrote: »

Have to laugh at this one. If the massive tourist industry in South Tipp and Carlow is "destroyed", it's not by pylons.

I was in achill years ago and saw a protest against mobile phone masts. They were putting them up and people were complaining that it would destroy the sceenery.
I don't think those mobile phone masts have stopped any tourists.

kneemos

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Exactly there not putting them next to peoples houses on purpose there trying to do it in the most cost effective way. Imagine it was the other way around and the closest access to power was over 500m away ? pretty sure there would be outrage about no access to electricity. Imagine you lived in Africa somewhere with no power and they put power in with pylons would you be complaining then ? I'm sorry to tell you your house in the country is never going to be worth half a million Euros them days are gone.

All I'm saying is people have legitimate reasons for protest.
Granted we need the infrastructure but some will be left with the eyesores.
Don't have a house in the country sadly.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

All I'm saying is people have legitimate reasons for protest.
Granted we need the infrastructure but some will be left with the eyesores.
Don't have a house in the country sadly.

So your house in the middle of a scenic area is not an eyesore just the pylons ?

Fr_Dougal

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Just like there over 500m away from the people complaining about them there no were near them. 500m is just under half a mile away..

Yeah adults can be so boooooring sometimes.

mud_guard

zerks wrote: »

That was her argument and all the while using one herself,some people object just for the sake of it.Isn't there some eejit in Galway who does it constantly,waits for a new road or whatever to be announced & immediately lodges an objection.Doesn't matter if it's at the far side of the country.

those kind of folk tend to have pretty uneventful lives and getting riled up about whatever latest happening visits their area , is what motivates them to get up in the morning

I see it in my own locality , same faces are always up in arms over infrastructural projects , the same people expect a state of the art hospital , secondary school , international airport etc , within spitting distance

funny enough , if the compensation was forthcoming , they,d tend to forget about being worried about cancer pretty quick , I suspect this might be whats happening here , anywhere their are farmers , their is a hunger for money

Fred Swanson

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kneemos

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So your house in the middle of a scenic area is not an eyesore just the pylons ?

In a scenic area the house is an eyesore as well but a pylon is making matters a lot worse.
I'm agreeing that the pylons are needed but they're not without cost.

almighty1

Discussed on primetime last night. Eirgrid CEO was put in his place quite a few times.

Eirgrid won't entertain the idea of putting high voltage lines underground although its becoming the standard in Europe (especially Denmark, Holland and Germany)

Eirgrid said themselves that the cost comparison is that underground is 3 times more expensive however thats purely construction cost,it doesn't take into account

- Lower costs of maintenance because lack of weathering
- Devaluation of peoples property and subsequent lowering of property tax
- Impact upon the tourism sector
- Impact upon peoples health (tentative links between EMF and leukemia and other cancers)
- Impact upon wildlife