Pylons

almighty1

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

I actually do and I don't give a ****e.

Is it 46m high? How close is it? Can you even prove it?

Zubeneschamali

fits wrote: »

Pdf map of network
http://www.eirgrid.com/media/All-IslandTransmissionMap.pdf

Not near my house, therefore A-OK!

almighty1

Cienciano wrote: »

Any link to that?

Fintan Slye (Eirgrid CEO) mentioned it last night on Prime Time. Its in RTE player.

Edit : Found it : http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0921/opinion/interconnector--closer-ties-with-nearest-neighbour-208286.html

The interconnector involved the laying of 186km of undersea cable in a trench running from North Beach in Rush, Co Dublin, to Barkby Beach in northern Wales. A further 80km of cable was laid underground — 46km of which was from Rush to Batterstown — linking the two converter stations on either side of the Irish Sea.

almighty1

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Not near my house, therefore A-OK!

At least you admit it unlike alot of others here.

fits

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Not near my house, therefore A-OK!

that's only the existing network. The proposed new routes aren't on it.

almighty1

http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/newsstories/newstop-twenty/powerlines-leukaemia.html

The biggest ever UK Government-funded study into a possible link between high-voltage powerlines and child cancer suggested that living within 100 metres of a high voltage powerlines can double leukaemia in children aged under 15. The risk to children aged five and under is likely to be even higher because their skulls are thinner and their bodies still developing. These "preliminary results" were known in 2001 and formally presented to the UK Department of Health in 2003 but the Government never made them public. Suspecting a cover up, Powerwatch UK Director Alasdair Phllips finally leaked the findings in 2004. "It is likely to be a definitive finding on whether UK power lines can cause childhood leukaemia," he commented.

Melatonin
Bristol University’s Professor Denis Henshaw is the UK’s principal investigator of the link between overhead power lines and child cancers. At the 2004 Children with Leukaemia conference, he suggested that the electromagnetic fields emitted from powerlines cause leukaemia because they disrupted the pineal gland’s nocturnal production of melatonin. He supported his hypothesis with the following research findings from other researchers:

Exposure to EMFs of strengths experienced underneath power lines can disrupt the body’s nocturnal production of melatonin

Melatonin is an antioxidant and mops up free radicals much more effectively than either vitamins C or E
Melatonin protects the blood from genetic damage by free radicals and carcinogens
Melatonin is also highly protective of the foetus. There is compelling evidence that acute lymphoblastic leukaemia starts in the womb

The Government study correlated 33 years of data on 35,000 children diagnosed with cancer with the distance they lived from the nearest high voltage overhead powerline. Its finding of a double risk of leukaemia corresponds well with earlier generally accepted international studies that prolonged exposures to electromagnetic fields (EMFs) above 0.4 microtesla in strength double the risk of childhood leukaemia. EMFs below power lines are usually much higher.

In March 2004 the UK's National Radiological Protection Board reduced the national official 'safe' magnetic field strength exposure guidelines from 1,600 microtesla to 100 microtesla.

jack presley

almighty1 wrote: »

http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/newsstories/newstop-twenty/powerlines-leukaemia.html

Your Google search not come up with anything newer than a 9 year old study?

zl1whqvjs75cdy

almighty1 wrote: »

Is it 46m high? How close is it? Can you even prove it?

I'll have a look tonight and try judge the height, I'd reckon about 25 meters away maybe and I don't really give a toss whether you believe me or not.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

jack presley wrote: »

Your Google search not come up with anything newer than a 9 year old study?

Nah all the newer studies basically say that there's no correlation so he conveniently ignores those.

darkpagandeath

almighty1 wrote: »

http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/newsstories/newstop-twenty/powerlines-leukaemia.html

Your missing the data of how far they were from roads, telephone exchanges, motorways car fumes, nuclear power stations ? chemical plants, coal fired power plants and all other environmental contributors ? Nice to cherry pick oh it must be the high voltage lines ... not to mention roughly 1 in 3 people will get cancer. Not saying any of my list cause it either just pointing out other stuff in the environment.

Guy:Incognito

almighty1 wrote: »

You should really have some idea about what you talk about before you make such statements.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/545086.stm

I dont see any mention of burying them. Which was what thebpost was about.

jack presley

Each pylon will have a name tag with the name and voltage.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

I think its a 20 meter job. My ceiling is about 10 feet ish so tried to judge the height of the apartment block based on that and then put the pylon next to it. Still don't have a clue about the voltage sorry.

fits

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Your missing the data of how far they were from roads, telephone exchanges, motorways car fumes, nuclear power stations ? chemical plants, coal fired power plants and all other environmental contributors ? Nice to cherry pick oh it must be the high voltage lines ... not to mention roughly 1 in 3 people will get cancer. Not saying any of my list cause it either just pointing out other stuff in the environment.

Which is why the studies so far are 'inconclusive' because it is very difficult to exclude other drivers.

I studied engineering in UCD around the time the mobile masts were causing controversy. I distinctly remember a lecturer possibly from electrical engineering department saying that the health concerns about mobile masts were ridiculous but there was no way he'd live beside a high voltage power line.

Now I know that is one person and it is hearsay but it has stayed with me. The EMFs around those lines are significant and I wouldn't like to live beside 'inconclusive' thanks.

I would like to ask the people reading this to actually picture themselves in this situation. They own a house in the country and they have a young family.
1. The value of their property will be significantly devalued because no one wants to live so close to a line. They could find themselves in a situation where they need to sell the house but are unable to. They will not be entitled to any compensation from eirgrid.
2. They have a young family. While they do not know for certain that the health risks are a genuine concern, there is certainly some research out there which appear to say there might be.
3. The pylons are massive and completely take over any prospect from the house. The pylons are ten times the height of an average bungalow. They buzz loudly in certain weather conditions. they could be situated as close as 50 metres from a house (and maybe 25metres)

Now, do you really think people do not have genuine concerns about this?

My own concerns are slightly more general. I do not want to see the progressive degradation of Irelands landscape, particularly in places like the Comeraghs and the Barrow Valley. These structures will overload these sensitive landscapes and endanger the ecosystems around them.

I do want to see well planned infrastructure showing some joined up thinking which minimises negative impacts on rural communities (and maximises the positive impacts). Eirgrid's approach leaves an awful lot to be desired.

fits

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

I think its a 20 meter job. My ceiling is about 10 feet ish so tried to judge the height of the apartment block based on that and then put the pylon next to it. Still don't have a clue about the voltage sorry.

could you not tell from the map I posted?

zl1whqvjs75cdy

fits wrote: »

could you not tell from the map I posted?

Ah didn't spot that. 220 kV.

fits

Just to point out, the pylons on the 400 kV lines are twice the height of the 220 kV ones.

Robbo

Interestingly, when the underground cables were proposed in Rush, the exact same scaremongering of leukemia was put forward.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

fits wrote: »

Just to point out, the pylons on the 400 kV lines are twice the height of the 220 kV ones.

Fair enough, you could literally throw a stone from my window to the mast with ease so I don't know if there's much of a difference between a 20 M and a 42M mast in my case. I don't even notice it anymore to be honest.

jack presley

fits wrote: »

Just to point out, the pylons on the 400 kV lines are twice the height of the 220 kV ones.

Not true, more scaremongering.

fits

jack presley wrote: »

Not true, more scaremongering.

440 kV line pylons are 43 metres high

220 kv line pylons are about 20 metres high

Or am I wrong? And if I am wrong can you point me to the information?

darkpagandeath

fits wrote: »

Which is why the studies so far are 'inconclusive' because it is very difficult to exclude other drivers.

I studied engineering in UCD around the time the mobile masts were causing controversy. I distinctly remember a lecturer possibly from electrical engineering department saying that the health concerns about mobile masts were ridiculous but there was no way he'd live beside a high voltage power line.

Now I know that is one person and it is hearsay but it has stayed with me. The EMFs around those lines are significant and I wouldn't like to live beside 'inconclusive' thanks.

I would like to ask the people reading this to actually picture themselves in this situation. They own a house in the country and they have a young family.
1. The value of their property will be significantly devalued because no one wants to live so close to a line. They could find themselves in a situation where they need to sell the house but are unable to. They will not be entitled to any compensation from eirgrid.
2. They have a young family. While they do not know for certain that the health risks are a genuine concern, there is certainly some research out there which appear to say there might be.
3. The pylons are massive and completely take over any prospect from the house. The pylons are ten times the height of an average bungalow. They buzz loudly in certain weather conditions. they could be situated as close as 50 metres from a house (and maybe 25metres)

Now, do you really think people do not have genuine concerns about this?

My own concerns are slightly more general. I do not want to see the progressive degradation of Irelands landscape, particularly in places like the Comeraghs and the Barrow Valley. These structures will overload these sensitive landscapes and endanger the ecosystems around them.

I do want to see well planned infrastructure showing some joined up thinking which minimises negative impacts on rural communities (and maximises the positive impacts). Eirgrid's approach leaves an awful lot to be desired.

1. How much do you think your house is worth in the middle of nowhere ? it's not the middle of the Celtic tiger there not worth 500k anymore. your house has devalued way more than any pylon next to it ever could have devalued it.

2. Then you should first take the kids mobiles off them stop driving them around in the car because of the fumes. and any electronic device as I'm sure i can find a study that says there bad for you. does not make it true mind you.

3. Show me a law that says you have the right to a view people mistake they have some kind of human right to a view ? also show me a noise pollution law that would cover the Buzzing noise as its to loud pretty sure the rain falling is just as loud or the wind?

fits

darkpagandeath wrote: »

1. How much do you think your house is worth in the middle of nowhere ? it's not the middle of the Celtic tiger there not worth 500k anymore. your house has devalued way more than any pylon next to it ever could have devalued it.

2. Then you should first take the kids mobiles off them stop driving them around in the car because of the fumes. and any electronic device as I'm sure i can find a study that says there bad for you. does not make it true mind you.

3. Show me a law that says you have the right to a view people mistake they have some kind of human right to a view ? also show me a noise pollution law that would cover the Buzzing noise as its to loud pretty sure the rain falling is just as loud or the wind?

Well thanks for answering the points anyway. I'm not going to get into to-ing and fro-ing with you as its boring for people to read and a bit pointless. We both have our minds made up.

kneemos

darkpagandeath wrote: »

1. How much do you think your house is worth in the middle of nowhere ? it's not the middle of the Celtic tiger there not wither 300k anymore. your house has devalued way more than any pylon next to it ever could have devalued it.

2. Then you should first take the kids mobiles off them stop driving them around in the car because of the fumes. and any electronic device as I'm sure i can find a study that says there bad for you. does not make it true mind you.

3. Show me a law that says you have the right to a view people mistake they have some kind of human right to a view ? also show me a noise pollution law that would cover the Buzzing noise as its to loud pretty sure the rain falling is just as loud or the wind?

Whatever the house is worth a pylon will lower it or make it impossible to sell.
You may be surprised to learn quite s few houses in the middle of nowhere are indeed worth €300,000 and more.

The view is belongs to everyone,if it's spoiled everyone loses.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Whatever the house is worth a pylon will lower it or make it impossible to sell.
You may be surprised to learn quite s few houses in the middle of nowhere are indeed worth €300,000 and more.

The view is belongs to everyone,if it's spoiled everyone loses.

No it wont make it impossible to sell. That's just a belief

No there not that's what people have them put up as, does not mean there worth that much or would sell for that price.

by that logic you should flatten Dublin as it's ruining the view of the mountains..

jack presley

fits wrote: »

440 kV line pylons are 43 metres high

220 kv line pylons are about 20 metres high

Or am I wrong? And if I am wrong can you point me to the information?

I'm thinking you're underestimating the heights of the 220kV ones. They're at least 30m so I was doubting double that for the 400kV.

kneemos

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No it wont make it impossible to sell. That's just a belief

No there not that's what people have them put up as, does not mean there worth that much or would sell for that price.

by that logic you should flatten Dublin as it's ruining the view of the mountains..

Right so.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Interesting (but lenghty) report here

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/nr/rdonlyres/9e29937f-1a27-4a16-a8c3-f403a623300c/0/electromagneticreport.pdf

fits

jack presley wrote: »

I'm thinking you're underestimating the heights of the 220kV ones. They're at least 30m so I was doubting double that for the 400kV.

I went and looked it up. Screenshot from Stage 1 report for Gridlink attached.

440 kV line pylons can be up to 60 metres in fact.

Manchester7

This forum makes me laugh. People are getting wound up by obvious people with vested interests i.e. with some of the comments for pro pylons it is obvious that the posters are connected in some way to Eirgrid and are planted on this site and many more sites in the guise of genuine people in support of pylons.(it's amazing how many posters on this subject live beside a pylon and think it is ok). I can assure you we have done a lot of house calls to estates and one off houses near pylons for research during our campaign against pylons and not one of those people is happy to live near a pylon. In fact most have told us that their lives are a misery as a result of the pylons. Please anti pylon posters, don't get wound up by eirgrid people on this forums