Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

brick man

I wonder with +1 moving now is Irish TV going to launch as it had hoped to be on Saorview by end of march

galtee boy

StreetLight wrote: »

The "RTÉ One +1" label has now been removed from LCN 8 and is now blank.

Why are they doing this ? It's not as if any new channel is launching on March 24 at channel no.8.

Sam Russell

They are making the LCN system more logical.

RTE 1+1 is at LCN +10 of the original channel.

So RTE 2+1 will be at 12
TV3 wil be at 13, TG4 at 14 and so on.

RTE News Now is at 21, so OTV will be at 22, and so on.

Pure logic that is missing from so many other aspects of Saorview like why there are 38 blank channel headers, or why excess capacity is burnt off on test cards - two of them in HD.

If they explained themselves it might be quite logical - but I doubt it.

galtee boy

Sam Russell wrote: »

They are making the LCN system more logical.

RTE 1+1 is at LCN +10 of the original channel.

So RTE 2+1 will be at 12
TV3 wil be at 13, TG4 at 14 and so on.

RTE News Now is at 21, so OTV will be at 22, and so on.

Pure logic that is missing from so many other aspects of Saorview like why there are 38 blank channel headers, or why excess capacity is burnt off on test cards - two of them in HD.

If they explained themselves it might be quite logical - but I doubt it.

This would be all well and good, if the +1 versions of all the other channels were about to launch, but that won't happen for years, if ever.

Sam Russell

As I've posted before, there is room for +1 channels along with HD for TV3, UTVi and TG4. It only takes a rebalancing of the charges - thanks to TV3 complaining at having to pay at all.

It is up to Comreg to do something having scuppered any market freedom.

The Cush

Just to update, RTÉ1+1 on LCN 8 ceased in the early hours of Tue morning. On some TVs a retune is required to remove the blank channel 8 from view.

jjf1974

The Cush wrote: »

Just to update, RTÉ1+1 on LCN 8 ceased in the early hours of Tue morning. On some TVs a retune is required to remove the blank channel 8 from view.

Is there a new channel moving to LCN 8 or is this another state secret like everything to do with saorview ?

The Cush

jjf1974 wrote: »

Is there a new channel moving to LCN 8 or is this another state secret like everything to do with saorview ?

Not we know of, just a reorganisation of the epg - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94032189

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

I hope this is the right thread to put this. Minister for communications Alex White said he does not think it is a good idea to allocate monnies from the licence fee to pay for carraige for OTV and the Irish Film Channel on Saorview as this would reduce the licence fee money RTE get. He also states he has not received any request by RTE to launch new services such as RTE 2+1 and showing ads on RTE News Now. Source www.cce.gno.ie

Sam Russell

Does that mean Alex White wants OTV to be funded by the Oireachtas or that it should not appear FTA?

What a mess Saorview continues to be, with nearly half the capacity burned off as no-one wants to pay, but they have to pay anyway. Daft.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Sam Russell wrote: »

Does that mean Alex White wants OTV to be funded by the Oireachtas or that it should not appear FTA?

What a mess Saorview continues to be, with nearly half the capacity burned off as no-one wants to pay, but they have to pay anyway. Daft.

I suppose it means that the Oireactas will have to pay for carraige on Saorview. At least we know now that part of the licence fee definitely won't be used to fund OTV carraige. It looks lke the ball is in the government's court now if the want to see OTV on SAORVIEW.

Elmo

natashaob6 wrote: »

I suppose it means that the Oireactas will have to pay for carraige on Saorview. At least we know now that part of the licence fee definitely won't be used to fund OTV carraige. It looks lke the ball is in the government's court now if the want to see OTV on SAORVIEW.

If you did ask the minister directly "Do you want to see OTV on SAORVIEW?" You would get the following:-

You would hope it would begin with

On a personal level yes I want to see OTV on SAORVIEW, that where it should be

However it would then go on to say

RTÉ is an independent national public service broadcaster whose remit and obligations are set out in the Broadcasting Act 2009.

RTÉ has built, owns and controls the new national digital TV network which they call Saorview. RTÉ is also responsible for the coverage and operation of its Saorview TV network. Part 8 of the Broadcasting Act 2009, sets out RTÉ’s powers and responsibilities in this regard. Therefore, I have no direct function in the matter.

followed by

Sections 125 and 126 of the Broadcasting Act 2009 make the necessary provision to allow for the development of an Oireachtas TV channel to be known as the “Houses of the Oireachtas Channel” on the SAORVIEW TV network. The legislation provides that the channel should be established by the Commission of the Houses of the Oireachtas and that the oversight of the channel should be the responsibility of the Joint Administration Committee, which is a joint committee of the Houses of the Oireachtas.

The Commission of the Houses of the Oireachtas may enter into such contracts as are necessary to establish and maintain the Houses of the Oireachtas Channel. In this context, I should mention that section 126 of the Act amends Schedule 1 of the Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Act 2003 to enable the Commission to fund the channel and to meet all expenses incurred in this respect.

And then some

The availability of Oireachtas TV on SAORVIEW is a matter for those bodies, subject of course to the agreement of the necessary commercial terms with RTÉ as owner of the SAORVIEW network. I confirm that my Officials will continue to liaise with those bodies on this matter.

Sam Russell

But that goes against the over-riding Comreg decision to set a regulated charging regime. Neither RTE or 2RN can 'give away' bandwidth but they can burn it off.

Alex White needs to intervene.

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

Alex White needs to intervene.

Like Legislate? AKA his job?

Sam Russell

No need for legislation - just make a few decisions like rescind the SI signed by the last FF minister on his last day in office that prevented a sensible regime in broadcasting.

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

No need for legislation - just make a few decisions like rescind the SI signed by the last FF minister on his last day in office that prevented a sensible regime in broadcasting.

Purely talking about OTV which doesn't involve the SI AFAIK??

Sam Russell

I do not think so.

The result of the SI is that the whole Saorview service is hog-tied. Comreg has set a pricing structure, which the Minister could require to be reset. This set the charging for Saorview based solely on bandwidth used. As a consequence of this, 2RN gets close on €12m a year whatever goes on.

Under the SI, RTE cannot gain anything in advertising revenue from two of their four channels, nor can they use the RTE 1+1 to introduce new or more interesting programming. This encourages RTE to be 'difficult' when it comes to Saorview, and despite the obvious benefit to all concerned, the regime of charging remains as does the burning off of the unused capacity.

The SI was introduced to benefit TV3 but now that UTVi has entered the platform, it is time to scrap the SI and reset the charging regime for Saorview.

I think that 2RN should be required to run and control Saorview as a seperate entity from RTE with 2RN taking over the multiplexing. They (2RN) should be allowed to adjust charges for new entry or changed format. This would allow incentives to get UTVi, TV3, and TG4 all to go HD at the same time.

I also think RTE should be assigned mux1 and the others moved to mux2.

lgs 4

Sam Russell wrote: »

I do not think so.

The result of the SI is that the whole Saorview service is hog-tied. Comreg has set a pricing structure, which the Minister could require to be reset. This set the charging for Saorview based solely on bandwidth used. As a consequence of this, 2RN gets close on €12m a year whatever goes on.

Under the SI, RTE cannot gain anything in advertising revenue from two of their four channels, nor can they use the RTE 1+1 to introduce new or more interesting programming. This encourages RTE to be 'difficult' when it comes to Saorview, and despite the obvious benefit to all concerned, the regime of charging remains as does the burning off of the unused capacity.

The SI was introduced to benefit TV3 but now that UTVi has entered the platform, it is time to scrap the SI and reset the charging regime for Saorview.

I think that 2RN should be required to run and control Saorview as a seperate entity from RTE with 2RN taking over the multiplexing. They (2RN) should be allowed to adjust charges for new entry or changed format. This would allow incentives to get UTVi, TV3, and TG4 all to go HD at the same time.

I also think RTE should be assigned mux1 and the others moved to mux2.

It may go HD under the new owner or owners of tv3 and e3 its up for sale

Oscarziggy

Is going HD such a big deal?
I have assess to BBC in HD this side of the Irish Sea but hardly ever watch in HD .
I watched "Robin Hood" on RTE2 HD a few nights ago ---- the beach scenes were filmed on a beach local to me -- on my Sony TV and wasn't impressed by the stuttering on the high motion scenes (of which there were a lot).
Could be my TV but as I couldn't switch to SD then there was no way of knowing.
Just my couple of Euros input.
Regards

Sam Russell

lgs 4 wrote: »

It may go HD under the new owner or owners of tv3 and e3 its up for sale

If you believe that kite flying - do not forget that 2015 is the best year ever for TV3!

Machinehead

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Is going HD such a big deal?
I have assess to BBC in HD this side of the Irish Sea but hardly ever watch in HD .
I watched "Robin Hood" on RTE2 HD a few nights ago ---- the beach scenes were filmed on a beach local to me -- on my Sony TV and wasn't impressed by the stuttering on the high motion scenes (of which there were a lot).
Could be my TV but as I couldn't switch to SD then there was no way of knowing.
Just my couple of Euros input.
Regards

Hope this might help. Found info on my TV a few years ago to help optimise the picture quality. Some changes deep down in the set up menu e.g. overscan, resolution & Panasonic's "Intelligent Frame Creation" settings really improved the final image. You will need to find your TV model in the reviews section. https://www.avforums.com/forums/tvs.104/
I know this is all off topic here, just trying to help out.

WheatenBriar

Not sure if it has been mentioned elsewhere but Aertel's digital text service is once again available on older non saorview approved mpeg 4 sets eg on the Sony W4000

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Test channel 12 was a HD test but it is now changed to sd.

Machinehead

natashaob6 wrote: »

Test channel 12 was a HD test but it is now changed to sd.

Can anyone with the wherewithal check & see if the spare capacity has been given over to the PQ for other channels.

The Cush

Machinehead wrote: »

Can anyone with the wherewithal check & see if the spare capacity has been given over to the PQ for other channels.

Have a look at the live bitrate for the 2 muxes here - http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?liste=1&live=15&lang=en&mux=PSB-MUX-2

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Test channel 15 is now showing a philips 2rn test card since last week it was saying no video.

mackersdublin

I noticed yesterday and again this morning on 2 Saorview approved TVs that RTÉ One +1 has an 2rn test card and tone instead of the usual blue caption / black & white one at around 6am

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

LCN 23 the Saorview information channel is now showing a list of tv and radio channels that can be found on Saorview. Now that the channels are listed and apart from TV3 and UTVI and no other channels apart from RTE it looks a very poor offering.

brick man

I noticed that channel 12 on Saorview which is hidden was up to Monday saying no info available on epg which now says test transmission . this is a change as hidden channel 22 used to be the only one saying test transmission. Maybe something is coming here's hoping !!!!!

The Cush

brick man wrote: »

Maybe something is coming here's hoping !!!!!

LCN 12 will carry RTÉ2 +1 when/if it launches.