Boating chit chat thread.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534507#Comment_122534507

Yes. The boat anchored in front of her was classically rigged with twin masts. A lot more windage than a clean modern aluminium mast. They ran their engines to reduce the strain on their anchor. When the squall passed they looked around and she had vanished, then they saw a flare from the life raft.

DOCARCH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534507#Comment_122534507

It was reportedly a water spout (tornado) so you would get a lot of wind, very quickly/suddnely, from all directions, without any chance of the boat turning into the wind.

AndyBoBandy

If the water spout hit the boat/mast at just the right angle, you would have had all that wind as well as tons upon tons of water hitting it, which was obviously enough to knock her down… and once she started heeling, there was enough sustained pressure to keep pushing her over..

Must have been an absolute nightmare on board.

nokiatom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534507#Comment_122534507

To my knowledge the mast is intact. The bow would would have been into the wind while at anchor but with a tornado the wind could come from any direction and without warning

Daibheid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534197#Comment_122534197

These super yachts are extremely stable keel up because of their size and mass. Any pivoting keel is going to have some play in it so could cause erratic thuds through the boat in even gentle breezes or tiny waves/swells.

Daibheid

Check the video I posted

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534507#Comment_122534507

Check the video I posted, the only thing that stopped that mast being pushed past 90degrees was the marina alongside.

Mick Tator

Lots of uneducated comment in the media. The blame game has started, reputations to be protected. eSysman has an interesting video with good comment from another designer, Chris Freers.Interesting observations on doors, keel position, heeling moment, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFOpw5UCn8s

nokiatom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534695#Comment_122534695

and what would happen if it did come near 90 degrees and no marina there?

Daibheid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534926#Comment_122534926

It depends on several factors. Keel down and hatches etc open it'd probably right itself near instantly with limited water ingress albeit with significant injuries to occupants.

Keel up hatches mostly secured, it'd be as above but righting more slowly.

Keel up and mostly open hatches, it could swamp and fail to right which is IMHO likely what happened in Sicily.

There are a host of competing interests vested in what happened so we won't know for certain until the actual investigation report is published. But Global Warming and the effect it's having with more extreme weather - see "summer" in Ireland 2024, may have been a factor. That and Super yacht bragging rights.

nokiatom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535003#Comment_122535003

Its amazing how far some of these yachts can heel over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoZKFLC_dbc

AndyBoBandy

Indeed…. (same(ish) boat, same guy)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534926#Comment_122534926

Swing into the wind and stay upright. In saying that I have seen an Etap 21 capsize and turn turtle. Knocked down, safety rail snapped and two large lads fell on to the main sail. They managed to right her like a large dinghy. J24s are also know for sinking if knocked down and the cabin floods.

Alkers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534695#Comment_122534695

I saw that, spectacular but is she not alongside and therefore (potentially at least) at right angles to the wind, whereas facing into the wind would (as you are at anchor) be the optimal position

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535265#Comment_122535265

I bought (my dad bought me) a Ron Holland mini tonner back in the mid 90's and she came with a reputation for apparently capsizing and filling up/sinking, so when we got her one of the first things we did was put a homemade lead bulb on the keel, as my dad didn't want 15-16yo me and my mates out in Dublin Bay in something that 'could' capsize and sink!!

It certainly wasn't the most aerodynamic bulb out there, but it did help keep her stable in those first few years… (thats the rear end)

Then we took the bulb off, got an oversized kite, and had some great craic!!

neris

Interesting looking visitor in howth this evening

AndyBoBandy

The Navionics desktop based web 'Chart Viewer' website has been decommissioned since July 31st!!

Garmin again the Feckers!! This was a really handy tool for planning trips and passages…

(I'm not Finn, but found this on the interweb)

Apparently also you are only allowed have the app (a working version of the app) on 2 devices, a primary and secondary… which is a bit sh1tty of them (though I've yet to see this), as I like to load the app onto old iPhones I have lying around to use as cockpit 'burner' phones.. i.e. a phone I wouldn't be too upset about if it went overboard etc*… but seemingly you have to log into their servers to remove 1 of your 2 devices and add a new one now.

I sense a money grab coming soon…

*It's mad that we're in a time when a battery operated handheld GPS/plotter/digital camera/HD video recorder/music player/telephone/calculator/computer & host of other things could be considered 'meh' if it was dropped over the side, because you have another 3-4 of them at home that could easily take its place!

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122519932#Comment_122519932

so as an update to this post, I fitted a new raw water pump yesterday and we are back in business…

just need to get some Volvo green paint to protect it…

Also, and as expected, when I tried to remove the old cover plate, 2 of the 3 remaining bolts that hold the cover plate on sheered off at when the slightest force was applied….

the original impeller was still intact surprisingly, but there was a little bit of wear on it as well as on some of the internals so I’ve ordered a rebuild kit for it and will recondition it, test it and then keep it onboard as a spare…

Mick Tator

https://apnews.com/video/new-south-wales-disaster-planning-and-response-cca74463cf9f4dca912651ccb450eeac

HeidiHeidi

Tom Dolan rocking up to a stage win on leg 2 of the Solitaire du Figaro in the next couple of hours - looks unbeatable unless he sinks the boat, or something

AndyBoBandy

Brilliant, and fair play to him..

Watched his doc a few weeks back and he seems like a sound enough lad..

HeidiHeidi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122580878#Comment_122580878

He took part in an online seminar/Q&A thing during covid, it was the first time I really got to know anything about him beyond his name and solo racing, and I've been a firm fan ever since - he's very understated but sound out. That documentary was fascinating.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122569831#Comment_122569831

out with the old….

and in with the new…

was able to drill out the 2 broken bolts (the 3rd came out with a vice grips) relatively easy enough and by hand too… then ran an M4 plug tap down the holes to clean up the threads and happy days…..

A little bit more polishing on the internals and she’ll be ready to assemble….

Although I might try and source some better bolts to hold the cover plate on. I’m not a fan of using a screwdriver to open these, and would much prefer to use an Allen key or a spanner… (but with that you run the risk of over tightening!!), but given this will now be a spare pump, maybe the flat head bolts will suffice!!

Tabnabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122554128#Comment_122554128

It's a major mistake, they'll lose a lot of fans/customers with this nonsense.

In the meantime, it's not the same but it's better than nothing.

https://fishing-app.gpsnauticalcharts.com/i-boating-fishing-web-app/fishing-marine-charts-navigation.html#6.92/53.297/-6.321

nokiatom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122584401#Comment_122584401

Do you have the paid version that shows your position?

Tabnabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122585003#Comment_122585003

I don't I run navionics on various devices.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588635#Comment_122588635

I updated my subscription there today and tried to get the app working again on my iPad but no dice, so I contacted Garmin support, and they said my iPad was too old! (its an iPad mini 2 which I bought back in 2018 before buying the boat)..

As it can't be updated beyond iOS version 12.5.7, I can't load the latest version of the Navionics app (v22 I think, phone is on v21 - old iPad is v18). She said I must have at least iOS 13 or later to run the latest versions of the app!!!

So thats also a bit **** on their part… last week Navonics on the iPad was working perfectly fine, today it's essentially bricked the iPad as a gps plotter!!! Time to go 2nd hand iPad shopping because new ones are ridiculously expensive!!!

Tabnabs

That's just nuts, what is wrong with them?!

AndyBoBandy

surely they know there’s lots of old salty dogs out there with iPads that they’ll happily run for 10+ years without a bother… so they should accommodate subscription renewals across all the versions of their app….

I could still get map updates on the iPad 2 weeks ago!! So why the feck not sync up my account to renew the subscriptions….

This iPad I have, its sole purpose is as a gps plotter… there isn’t anything else I use it for!!!

AndyBoBandy

Tom Dolan has won the Figaro

First non French winner since 1988

Incredible achievement.

he’s only gone and bloody done it!!!!!!!

AndyBoBandy

in 55 editions, only 3 times has a non French National won the Figaro…..

This really is huge.