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Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Bigcheeze


    rubadub wrote: »

    That's just excise duty, I doubt there is anything to argue against. The min pricing was quite a different thing.

    There's plenty to argue about if you're a European wine exporting country and ireland is showing favouritism to its native beer industry by charging disproportionately more excess on alcohol in wine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Reputable Rog


    Pint of Steeple red ale in Rising Sons, €5.60 for a hopped watee.
    Wetherspoons will hopefully shake things up.
    I'd still go somewhere like Dennehys as well though, as it's a grand pub with nice pints.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,845 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    @rubadub - Do not drag this thread down by name-calling. If you cannot be civil - do not post.

    tHB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    8th July 2014 to 8th Sep 2015.

    5 pubs opened in 14 months.

    Good going.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    Anybody know why nothing seems to be happening with Hanlons?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭poitinstill


    the Cork one had a Training day yesterday...didn't get to it myself.. interested to know the prices on opening as it seems the Dublin outlets opened high dropped low and are back up again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭out da lough


    Pint of Steeple red ale in Rising Sons, €5.60 for a hopped watee.
    Wetherspoons will hopefully shake things up.
    I'd still go somewhere like Dennehys as well though, as it's a grand pub with nice pints.

    €5.60 for a pint made on the premises?

    That seems excessive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    From what I'm reading, JDW Blackrock TTT are launching a new menu this week.

    See here:

    https://www.facebook.com/TheThreeTunTavern/posts/970487222990558

    Beamish is back to 2.50 - did it go up to 3.50 recently, or am I thinking of JDW Blanch?

    "Craft" 33cl / 355ml bottles and cans are 2.45 - isn't this a drop back, after a previous rise?

    Some whiskey is cut by 1.00 for a single.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    A quote from JDW Swords about pricing in various pubs:


    "The Old Borough, Swords Hi Claire. The prices at The Old Borough are the standards Wetherspoon prices, similar to those that are in our pubs across the UK (and also Blanchardstown). The prices at the two pubs in South Dublin were introduced at a lower level when the company first opened in Ireland. As more Wetherspoon pubs open in Ireland (Cork for example in September) it will be clear that the prices at The Old Borough and Blanchardstown are the standard prices, and still extremely good value for money."


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Geuze wrote: »
    The prices at the two pubs in South Dublin were introduced at a lower level when the company first opened in Ireland.
    It's about time somebody did something for the people of Blackrock and Dún Laoghaire. Well done, Mr Wetherspoon. Well done.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭oblivious


    Geuze wrote: »
    A quote from JDW Swords about pricing in various pubs:


    "The Old Borough, Swords Hi Claire. The prices at The Old Borough are the standards Wetherspoon prices, similar to those that are in our pubs across the UK (and also Blanchardstown). The prices at the two pubs in South Dublin were introduced at a lower level when the company first opened in Ireland. As more Wetherspoon pubs open in Ireland (Cork for example in September) it will be clear that the prices at The Old Borough and Blanchardstown are the standard prices, and still extremely good value for money."


    So am I reading it right that the three tuns and 40 foot are going to priced lower than the rest of the chain in Ireland ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Paz-CCFC


    Geuze wrote: »
    From what I'm reading, JDW Blackrock TTT are launching a new menu this week.

    See here:

    https://www.facebook.com/TheThreeTunTavern/posts/970487222990558

    Beamish is back to 2.50 - did it go up to 3.50 recently, or am I thinking of JDW Blanch?

    "Craft" 33cl / 355ml bottles and cans are 2.45 - isn't this a drop back, after a previous rise?

    Some whiskey is cut by 1.00 for a single.

    Yeah, everything just looks like it was before July. Except they've changed a couple of things on the menu - eg, Carlsberg and Fosters replacing Bitburger and Innis and Gunn Lager. Strange that they put the prices up for two months and then bring them back down. Maybe so they could make it look cheaper in comparison again? The one is Cork opened at the higher price, so hopefully that'll see a drop in price, similar to the Three Tun Tavern a few weeks after it opened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    €5.60 for a pint made on the premises?

    That seems excessive.
    Careful now, you wouldn't want be accused of price-whinging, that's frowned upon in these quarters :rolleyes: ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Lots of new crap on the menu for Blanch. Bud, WKD, Magners, Bulmers no 17 all bottle format. Some crap called hooch.

    Grey goose Vodka and Vanilla absolute


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    It's about time somebody did something for the people of Blackrock and Dún Laoghaire. Well done, Mr Wetherspoon. Well done.
    pay back time, people in these areas are likely to be done on motor tax, income tax and property tax :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    oblivious wrote: »
    So am I reading it right that the three tuns and 40 foot are going to priced lower than the rest of the chain in Ireland ?
    I took it to mean expect an increase.

    The first 2 were really low so it got talked about more. Unless they are struggling for customers I would expect it to rise so all eventually are at "the standard price". But maybe that can afford to be cheaper in those locations, I remember scotts bar sold for very little.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    oblivious wrote: »
    They could look to reinstate ban on the below cost selling

    In a country where upto 70% of the price of booze is tax, so called below cost selling is pretty much a myth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Reputable Rog


    Prices in Cork branch are fairly good considering the location. You may argue that €3.50 for Beamish is not great when it can be got cheaper elsewhere but then again you would pay about €4.50 for a Beamish in one of the chain pubs.
    €2.50 for a Cask Ale is excellent, paid €5.00 for one in the Fran Well.
    Go out with €20 and get 5 or 6 pints of Doombar ( my personal favourite) or Abbot Ale and a meal.
    Excellent value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    syklops wrote: »
    In a country where upto 70% of the price of booze is tax, so called below cost selling is pretty much a myth.

    A pub pint of 4.3% stout at 4.10 includes tax as follows:

    77 cent VAT

    55 cent excise

    That's 32% of the retail price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭dzilla


    Prices in Cork branch are fairly good considering the location. You may argue that €3.50 for Beamish is not great when it can be got cheaper elsewhere but then again you would pay about €4.50 for a Beamish in one of the chain pubs.
    €2.50 for a Cask Ale is excellent, paid €5.00 for one in the Fran Well.
    Go out with €20 and get 5 or 6 pints of Doombar ( my personal favourite) or Abbot Ale and a meal.
    Excellent value.

    Is it nice inside there? Was in Cork last 2 weekends was bulling I didnt get to get in there


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    syklops wrote: »
    In a country where upto 70% of the price of booze is tax, so called below cost selling is pretty much a myth.


    A retail can of 4.3% Guinness at 1.75 contains tax as follows:

    32.73 cent VAT

    48.48 cent excise duty

    That's 81.2 cent in total.

    That's 46.4% of the off-licence price.

    I hope people won't continue to make throwaway remarks about "70% of the price of alcohol is tax".

    (It might be close to 70% in the case of cheap spirits)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    dzilla wrote: »
    Is it nice inside there? Was in Cork last 2 weekends was bulling I didnt get to get in there

    It only opened this week, on 8th Sep.

    www.jdwetherspoon.ie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Lucena


    @Gueuze

    Are tax and VAT calculated by selling price? i.e. Dunnes want to sell a beer at 1 euro, so it's 1 euro + VAT + excise

    Or is it purely on the amount of alcohol in the beer?

    Or a mix of both?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Lucena wrote: »
    @Gueuze

    Are tax and VAT calculated by selling price? i.e. Dunnes want to sell a beer at 1 euro, so it's 1 euro + VAT + excise

    Or is it purely on the amount of alcohol in the beer?

    Or a mix of both?

    VAT is on selling price. I think excise is on the alcohol content.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭oblivious


    Lucena wrote: »
    @Gueuze

    Are tax and VAT calculated by selling price? i.e. Dunnes want to sell a beer at 1 euro, so it's 1 euro + VAT + excise

    Or is it purely on the amount of alcohol in the beer?

    Or a mix of both?

    The consumer is the ultimate payer of VAT.

    Revenue will have collect their payment for the excise on the alcohol content that will be paid before release, but will be added to the wholesale price


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Geuze wrote: »
    (It might be close to 70% in the case of cheap spirits)
    It would be more, I have said this is the only case where I believe below cost selling is taking place, however the vitners and whinging pubs do not talk about that, they are usually making out that hte mainstream beers like heineken are being sold below cost. I actually wondered if they were keeping quiet so as not to alert the people who stash spirits into pubs!

    You can get 700ml of 37.5% rum for €11.69 in tesco, I would take it over bacardi too BTW. That is 19.7 pub measures so 59cent per measure. Been that price for months.

    So if I am calculating right that is €2.18 VAT + €11.17 excise duty.

    Also the poster did say "up to". I only buy canned guinness when its €1 a can, which would be just under 70% going in tax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Lucena wrote: »
    @Gueuze

    Are tax and VAT calculated by selling price? i.e. Dunnes want to sell a beer at 1 euro, so it's 1 euro + VAT + excise

    Or is it purely on the amount of alcohol in the beer?

    Or a mix of both?

    Excise is 22.55 per hectolitre per %.

    See excise rates here:

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/excise/duties/excise-duty-rates.html


    VAT is normal, same as any goods. Final price includes 23% VAT.

    So for a 5.00 pint, divide 5.00/1.23 to get 406.50, pre VAT price.

    So on a 5 euro pint, VAT is 93.5 cent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭out da lough


    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    Careful now, you wouldn't want be accused of price-whinging, that's frowned upon in these quarters :rolleyes: ;)

    Sorry, of course that is not what I meant. I was merely pointing out that some back kitchen beer is being offered for sale out the front for €5.60.

    In a brewery that hardly has a "tradition" or "craft" heritage, seeing as it only seems to be open for a year or two.


    I'm sure it is vastly superior to Adnams Ghost Ship Ale which is now for sale in The Linen Weaver around the corner for €2.50 a pint.

    I mean, it must be, mustn't it? It's like more than twice the price after all.

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭maximoose


    Gongoozler wrote: »
    Anybody know why nothing seems to be happening with Hanlons?

    Have they definitely bought it? Can't see anything official


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭Simon201


    maximoose wrote: »
    Have they definitely bought it? Can't see anything official

    I think it was just a rumour. Pity, I'm only down the road. It's the right size for them but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be right for them location wise, going by pubs they've opened here so far.

    Ah well at least 'The Grange' pub has opened up again after being closed for a few years!


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