RVP or Bale? - The Big Question

moreau

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Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Soldados signing was the key for me in getting rid of rvp ill wildcard him in for gw4 though

Makes perfect sense in fairness

Who are your other two stikers out of interest?

moreau

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roryc wrote: »

Who's this Rat guy? £5m is a bit much for a WH defender that doesn't attack.

Yeah would prefer collins @ 4.5 but not sure if he will be a regular starter.

I like defences under Big Sam, had Jussi all last year. WH have nice opening fixtures too.

AdpRo

The problem with going without RVP is with 40% ownership if he starts well then you are playing catch up straight away in most of your leagues. I don't have him or Bale at the moment but I'm not sure that will be the case come 11.31 saturday.

Hogey007

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Weetabix wrote: »

The problem with going without RVP is with 40% ownership if he starts well then you are playing catch up straight away in most of your leagues. I don't have him or Bale at the moment but I'm not sure that will be the case come 11.31 saturday.

if it wasn't a dgw it would be a huge risk but no-one is going to captain RVP, so even if he scored a hat trick (which he won't) people will only get 17 points, i know that's still a lot but when you take the doubling of scores out of the equation it's not as big a gamble.

realistically, united away to swansea, i can't see united scoring more than 2.and there's no guarantee RVP will get both. i'd say a likely haul for RVP this weekend would be between 5 and 11 points.

OneColdHand

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Hogey007 wrote: »

if it wasn't a dgw it would be a huge risk but no-one is going to captain RVP, so even if he scored a hat trick (which he won't) people will only get 17 points, i know that's still a lot but when you take the doubling of scores out of the equation it's not as big a gamble.

realistically, united away to swansea, i can't see united scoring more than 2.and there's no guarantee RVP will get both. i'd say a likely haul for RVP this weekend would be between 5 and 11 points.

Bookmarked;)

Hogey007

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OneColdHand wrote: »

Bookmarked;)

ha ha, as a united fan i'll happily stand corrected

roryc

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RVP getting 2 points against Swansea would be delightful.

Iused2likebusts

Neither

moreau wrote: »

Makes perfect sense in fairness

Who are your other two stikers out of interest?

negredo and anelka

Reekwind

Hogey007 wrote: »

if it wasn't a dgw it would be a huge risk but no-one is going to captain RVP...

Probably a silly question but why wouldn't you have RVP as captain?

Iused2likebusts

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Reekwind wrote: »

Probably a silly question but why wouldn't you have RVP as captain?

because hazard has 2 games and rvp only has 1

Hogey007

Neither

Reekwind wrote: »

Probably a silly question but why wouldn't you have RVP as captain?

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

because hazard has 2 games and rvp only has 1

what he said

Ice87

Neither

Is anybody starting with Welbeck?

Might be damage limitation if you are worried that RVP gets a big points haul.

dahat

Ice87 wrote: »

Is anybody starting with Welbeck?

Might be damage limitation if you are worried that RVP gets a big points haul.

Think you need a cold shower...

Iused2likebusts

Neither

dahat wrote: »

Think you need a cold shower...

an ice bath for ice87

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

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I'm still not taking RvP. As previous posters have stated, there is a better chance his price will go down rather than up with the ownership percentage. And unless he drops by about 0.5m (hopefully he'll pick up an 8 week injury vs Swansea :pac:) I can't see myself getting him in.

Just doing the maths, atm I've got Goldado, as my main striker. To get in RvP, just for example, I will have to downgrade a ~9.0m by 2m and my 6.5 & 6.0 defender to 5.0m defenders.

By downgrading my midfielder, and by picking the best ~7.0m midf from last year, I stand to lose in and around 30 points over the course of the season.
Going by last year, a 6m + 6.5m defender will bag you ~270 points, whereas the 2 5m defenders will get you ~200-220 points, if you pick well, losing you 60 points lets say.

That's a total loss of 90 points.

I'm expecting Goldado to get around 200 points (20 league goals plus a few assists) give or take. RvP got 262 points last year (scoring 26 with 15 assists), and unless he betters that, which taking into account the new bonus points system is unlikely, there's a point gain of 60.

I know there are different ways of changing around your team, but that would be one of the more likely ways some one would change their team. And I know a lot of it is speculation, that's the game though, opinions to the contrary would have the same basis, it just comes down to your opinion. That's my opinion, and I know everyone (or possibly anyone!) won't agree with it.

That's why I'm not going with RvP, I don't think his price justifies sacrificing the rest of my team. Anyone going with Bale and RvP is mad altogether. If RvP is scoring freely, I'll have to get him in, but I think Goldado, at 4.5m cheaper, and pretty much the sole striker at Spurs, is a better option. 4.5m in the price of a Mickey Turner for Christ's sake :pac:

Who_8_Paul?

THFC wrote: »

I'm still not taking RvP. As previous posters have stated, there is a better chance his price will go down rather than up with the ownership percentage. And unless he drops by about 0.5m (hopefully he'll pick up an 8 week injury vs Swansea :pac:) I can't see myself getting him in.

Just doing the maths, atm I've got Goldado, as my main striker. To get in RvP, just for example, I will have to downgrade a ~9.0m by 2m and my 6.5 & 6.0 defender to 5.0m defenders.

By downgrading my midfielder, and by picking the best ~7.0m midf from last year, I stand to lose in and around 30 points over the course of the season.
Going by last year, a 6m + 6.5m defender will bag you ~270 points, whereas the 2 5m defenders will get you ~200-220 points, if you pick well, losing you 60 points lets say.

That's a total loss of 90 points.

I'm expecting Goldado to get around 200 points (20 league goals plus a few assists) give or take. RvP got 262 points last year (scoring 26 with 15 assists), and unless he betters that, which taking into account the new bonus points system is unlikely, there's a point gain of 60.

I know there are different ways of changing around your team, but that would be one of the more likely ways some one would change their team. And I know a lot of it is speculation, that's the game though, opinions to the contrary would have the same basis, it just comes down to your opinion. That's my opinion, and I know everyone (or possibly anyone!) won't agree with it.

That's why I'm not going with RvP, I don't think his price justifies sacrificing the rest of my team. Anyone going with Bale and RvP is mad altogether. If RvP is scoring freely, I'll have to get him in, but I think Goldado, at 4.5m cheaper, and pretty much the sole striker at Spurs, is a better option. 4.5m in the price of a Mickey Turner for Christ's sake :pac:

The captaincy of RVP most weeks doubles the difference though, he will probably score highly more often than most so the difference is double? You will probably rotate your captaincy without RVP, the old Lady Luck then plays a bigger part

Hogey007

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who's goldado? hard to keep up with all these new signings.

Jax Teller

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Soldado .

Hogey007

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Jax Teller wrote: »

Soldado .

ha yeah i knew who he meant, just don't really get the goldado and jellyfish things? alright if your 6 or 7 years old, otherwise, soldado and Jelavic are fine.

OneColdHand

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Interesting point of views on RVP on FFS:
http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2013/08/14/the-burning-question-would-bales-departure-make-van-persie-essential/

No-one really thinks he's essential.

Mr.Prodston

Approaching D-Day this really sums up where we probably all are with RVP



Some of us will be brave and go without while other will sacrifice 2 or three decent bets just to have his security. All of us are stuck between a rock and a hard place and it's really 50/50 as to who wins :eek:

shalahala

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I dont think its 50/50

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Both

Hogey007 wrote: »

ha yeah i knew who he meant, just don't really get the goldado and jellyfish things? alright if your 6 or 7 years old, otherwise, soldado and Jelavic are fine.

What's the weather like up there?

Hogey007

Neither

THFC wrote: »

What's the weather like up there?

bit cloudy but i reckon the rain will hold off, yourself?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

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Hogey007 wrote: »

bit cloudy but i reckon the rain will hold off, yourself?

I doubt it ever rains up there.

Hogey007

Neither

THFC wrote: »

I doubt it ever rains up there.

rains a lot as it happens, anyway we won't keep clogging up the thread, i was making a bit of fun of your nicknames, you didn't like it. time to let the rest back to their footy chat.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Both

Hogey007 wrote: »

rains a lot as it happens, anyway we won't keep clogging up the thread, i was making a bit of fun of your nicknames, you didn't like it. time to let the rest back to their footy chat.

I don't mind people taking the piss, it's when they turn into a start being condescending is when I don't like it. But yea, let's leave it here.

Hogey007

Neither

THFC wrote: »

I don't mind people taking the piss, it's when they turn into a start being condescending is when I don't like it. But yea, let's leave it here.

i'm certainly not a condescending person, my comment might have came across a bit arsey depending on the way it was read but that's the problem with text, you don't always get the person's tone. I meant it in a taking the piss way but reading back on it I can see how it'd look a bit arsey too.

anyway, yep we'll leave it there.

going back to the thread title, I now have neiter Bale or RVP but do have the spare cash to get RVP in when needed.

Who_8_Paul?

Hey, are Lemlin and Rory C masquerading as THFC and Hogey during their week ban?!?

moreau

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Off RVP. Final decision, early WC the main reason