The Anglo Irish Tapes

AnOrdinaryJoe

In fact a certain banker, probably in breach of his own organisation's corporate governance rules and regulations regarding intimate 'sexual relations with fellow employees, is known to have engaged in 'gentle, sensitive loving' (as opposed to just ****ing) with a colleague.

And I'm not talking about the ex Sir Frederick 'the shag' Goodwin at the Royal Bank of Schiesters, who was 'boring' into one of his colleagues whilst the bank fell down all around him.

Well........ a high flyin' sooper dooper exec must be relaxed in order to do the sterling job he does.

Maybe that's why Bank of Ireland were so understanding re the pension package given to a certain ex BOI CEO when he resigned after being caught out checking out 'relaxation options' (translate: checking out prostitution sites in Las Vegas) in advance of what undoubtedly would have been a very hard (excuse the pun) trip.

Funnily enough, in reference to the 'these guys always come up smelling of roses whilst they leave the rest of us covered in ****' sentiment of previous posts........ isn't it the case that said CEO is now a big wig at the Central Bank.

Yep...... it sure is 'funny' how things work in this fair and equal Ireland we live in.

And isn't it the Central Bank which decides on 'fitness and probity' of those feckers who have crapped all over us and no doubt continue to crap all over us ?

A bit like having a committee of kiddie fiddler priests who decide on what should happen to other kiddie fiddler priests who were just unlucky to be caught perhaps !

foxcoverteddy

Zebra3 you are quite correct how people feel, but some consolidated action is needed, you can call them what you like, it will not harm them, and it will not redress the situation.
We are I guess at least a civilised country and any action taken must conform to these standards, we need without a shadow of doubt someone to co-ordinate legal action to stop these people ever being allowed to continue.
Is Boards the right place, it might well be a spring board to positive action.

AnOrdinaryJoe

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Zebra3 you are quite correct how people feel, but some consolidated action is needed, you can call them what you like, it will not harm them, and it will not redress the situation.
We are I guess at least a civilised country and any action taken must conform to these standards, we need without a shadow of doubt someone to co-ordinate legal action to stop these people ever being allowed to continue.
Is Boards the right place, it might well be a spring board to positive action.

I would think that 'civilisation' is determined in part by the ethos and behaviours of the state and same re those regarded as the 'leaders' of the country i.e. the political 'elite', and same re the leading commercial entities and businessmen and businesswomen i.e the banks and the bankers.

If this is indeed the criteria, we're worse off than many of what are referred to as third world countries, and most certainly not 'civilised'...... far from it.

foxcoverteddy

Probably the suspicion is valid, there could be many people so far who are out of range of the flack at this time, hoping to god that perhaps if left long enough the uproar will die down.
Someone mentioned the Auditors, a body of influence in any constitution, apparently they did not blow any whistle, if you like the bank will have had it's own internal audit, who should have had knowledge of what was happening, have these people done a runner or are they still being paid?
Yes there are a lot more people involved in the conspiracy than we know of at the moment. No doubt they will use the old adage I was doing what I was told to do, very reminiscent of those who popped the unfortunate people into the gas ovens during the war, may they R.I.P.
There must be some consolidated action, we cannot sit back any longer, just think of the unhappiness and misery caused to countless families, their hopes and aspirations for the future washed away by the greed and selfishness of the few.

Keyzer

The only way any real consequences coming about from this scandal will be from Europe, specifically Germany, applying pressure on the government to act accordingly. The Germans must be absolutely furious after these revelations.

An oireachtas/parliamentary investigation will be a complete waste of time and will result in nothing as they can only investigate current and former politicians. 95% of the people responsible for this mess are not politicians.

That said, a criminal inquiry/course of action will be prevented at all costs by former and current politicians because it could bring the whole bloody system down: they were complicit and, through negligence, partly responsible for the banking collapse hence they will protect themselves and their banker/high flying mates who fund them by keeping their mouths shut and saying nothing.

Look at Cowen saying he knew nothing of this yet we know he was playing golf and dining with high ranking Anglo executives on more than one occasion. Are we to believe the problems with the bank we're never discussed? If you went for a game of golf with Brian O'Driscoll do you think you wouldn't speak about rugby, not even once?

They don't give a sh1te and will protect themselves at all costs rather than do the honest and right thing...

bumper234

Keyzer wrote: »

The only way any real consequences coming about from this scandal will be from Europe, specifically Germany, applying pressure on the government to act accordingly. The Germans must be absolutely furious after these revelations.

An oireachtas/parliamentary investigation will be a complete waste of time and will result in nothing as they can only investigate current and former politicians. 95% of the people responsible for this mess are not politicians.

That said, a criminal inquiry/course of action will be prevented at all costs by former and current politicians because it could bring the whole bloody system down: they were complicit and, through negligence, partly responsible for the banking collapse.

THIS is why nothing will happen to these bastards! Politicians past and present were too buddy buddy with the bankers. Getting loans with low/no interest rates, getting mortgages without filling out the paperwork and you can be sure there were plenty of brown envelopes passed around in the Galway races tents.

foxcoverteddy

Fine, how do we get the Germans to act or perhaps the Council for Europe, fast. The longer we sit just discussing the problem the more chance of those responsible will escape.
This cannot be allowed to go away.

SpaceTime

I think we should be asking for help with enforcement. I don't think we have the police resources. Maybe the EU could lend us some resources? We could do with help from the UK serious fraud office to see if we can get to the bottom of it. Germany might be better providing us with access to their forensic accounting resources too.

We don't have the ability to call in the feds like they can in the states for example.

I'm not saying that the Gardai and DPP aren't competent to do it, but they don't have the resources. A lot of it is forensic accounting and investigation donkey work and it could be assisted enormously especially by the British who have the same language and a remarkably similar legal system.

Forensic accounting help maybe from Germany and France?


I think we need some practical solidarity! Small countries are run rings around by these banking organisations that had far more sophisticated accounting and legal resources than the states had!

RiverOfLove

bumper234 wrote: »

THIS is why nothing will happen to these bastards! Politicians past and present were too buddy buddy with the bankers. Getting loans with low/no interest rates, getting mortgages without filling out the paperwork and you can be sure there were plenty of brown envelopes passed around in the Galway races tents.

And this is why ireland should be uprooting and overthrowing the government. The lot of them up to their necks in sh1te and going back fcuking decades. How that can be done, I have no idea.

foxcoverteddy

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

There must be some consolidated action, we cannot sit back any longer, just think of the unhappiness and misery caused to countless families, their hopes and aspirations for the future washed away by the greed and selfishness of the few.

Amen.

AnOrdinaryJoe

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Probably the suspicion is valid, there could be many people so far who are out of range of the flack at this time, hoping to god that perhaps if left long enough the uproar will die down.
Someone mentioned the Auditors, a body of influence in any constitution, apparently they did not blow any whistle, if you like the bank will have had it's own internal audit, who should have had knowledge of what was happening, have these people done a runner or are they still being paid?
Yes there are a lot more people involved in the conspiracy than we know of at the moment. No doubt they will use the old adage I was doing what I was told to do, very reminiscent of those who popped the unfortunate people into the gas ovens during the war, may they R.I.P.
There must be some consolidated action, we cannot sit back any longer, just think of the unhappiness and misery caused to countless families, their hopes and aspirations for the future washed away by the greed and selfishness of the few.

'The few' aren't as few as you might think. Some refer to the many good, decent people who work in the banks and that may be true. However, what also cannot be denied is that there are many, mainly at middle level, who are complicit in the frauds and sharp practice which go on day in day out at the banks.

They know what is going on and not only do they say nothing, the monthly pay cheque having no conscience, but they do the job they are told to do and in the way their bosses and the corporate culture laid down by those bosses dictate who things should be done.

Some can attempt to justify their actions, actions which have a negative impact on others ...... but I call it what it is...... which is complicity...... FACT !

No-one should fall into the trap of thinking, as some have sought to imply, that it is only the bosses of these rotten, stinking institutions which are the 'bad people'..... there is a small army of people below them doing their bidding..... more 'bad people'.

RiverOfLove

bumper234 wrote: »

THIS is why nothing will happen to these bastards! Politicians past and present were too buddy buddy with the bankers. Getting loans with low/no interest rates, getting mortgages without filling out the paperwork and you can be sure there were plenty of brown envelopes passed around in the Galway races tents.

And

'we all partied'

apparently

We fcuking hell did not all party.

foxcoverteddy

Fine so how do we the public go about calling in outside help, it is the best solution and congratulations. Anyone know how to implement such action?

bumper234

RiverOfLove wrote: »

And

'we all partied'

apparently

We fcuking hell did not all party.

I have no mortgage.

I have no car loan.

I have no credit union loan.

I have no credit cards.

I owe nobody nothing and everything that i have i have saved for and bought when i could afford it. Yet they say people like me caused this and need to help pay for it

Hootanany

Wurzelbert wrote: »

a german article on the issue…
www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/topmanager-von-irischer-bank-sang-deutschland-ueber-alles-a-907790.html

Its in German

Wibbs

Hootanany wrote: »

Its in German

Two choices; 1) learn German. Might be handy down the line or 2) online translate

gobnaitolunacy

Hootanany wrote: »

Its in German

Google translate is your friend.

foxcoverteddy

No matter go into the site and use translate, conmes out in perfect English, good luck

SpaceTime

just paste the URL (address) into Google Translate and it'll work.

No language is any bother to it. Worth going to Google.de, Google.fr, Google.pl, google.com.au etc and clicking on News or its equivalent and searching Anglo Irish Bank to see what you get!

RiverOfLove

Notice RTEs coverage on all this since it broke - a few bits in their normal news and 1 half an hour long prime time show.
Puppets for the government they are. They are probably told to play it down as much as possible so that people don't take much heat of all this.

AnOrdinaryJoe

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Fine so how do we the public go about calling in outside help, it is the best solution and congratulations. Anyone know how to implement such action?

There is no 'outside help'. And so called outside help would be heavily influenced by the same self serving feckers in power, the so called 'elite'.

And 'outside help' would be appointed by the same self serving feckers in power.

And let's not forget the true nature of government, as referred to by many eminent leaders and academics...... which is that, contrary to the belief of some, it is banks which rule / control government, not the other way around.

These feckers have infiltrated and poisoned every facet of society, and like cancer, their covert influence would be difficult to eradicate.

MrPoker

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Notice RTEs coverage on all this since it broke - a few bits in their normal news and 1 half an hour long prime time show.
Puppets for the government they are. They are probably told to play it down as much as possible so that people don't take much heat of all this.

Yeah RTEs coverage is fairly low key considering the enormity of the tapes scandal. They probably don't want to rock the boat too much in Montrose where many are on the gravy train.

Langerland

Just view it in Chrome. It translates automatically. The comments are more interesting than the article. Pretty measured responses as you would expect from Germans. They predominantly question why these guys are still free and that this type of conversation is common in all such banks and hedge fund institutions.

foxcoverteddy

So how do we proceed, or are we just going to sit around doing nothing, are there any genuine legal bods on hand to give guidance.
If we cannot move then it is all a waste of time, they have won.

crusher000

MrPoker wrote: »

Yeah RTEs coverage is fairly low key considering the enormity of the tapes scandal. They probably don't want to rock the boat too much in Montrose where many are on the gravy train.

And who pays their gravy train ? Sorry no prizes for getting this one right folks.

AnOrdinaryJoe

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Notice RTEs coverage on all this since it broke - a few bits in their normal news and 1 half an hour long prime time show.
Puppets for the government they are. They are probably told to play it down as much as possible so that people don't take much heat of all this.

Don't start me about 'the media'.

The media is owned / controlled by big business and what matters most to big business is, as Drumm would refer to it, 'the mullah'.

Media organisations will not upset revenue streams..... so if for instance a media organisation derives 'meaningful' revenue from a particular source i.e. a bank which regularly places, and pays for, advertising, that revenue stream will not be jeopardised.

Sometimes media companies run 'articles' which are in fact advertising for a cronyist advertiser, but done 'as a favour' and written in the style of 'an article'..... it's covert advertising via a done by mates for mates sort of way.

This sort of thing has been proven time and time again...... there is lots about it available from the internet.

The fact is that the so called impartial media are often anything but impartial.

Example the Murdoch owned Sun and News of the World newspapers weren't exactly falling over themselves to make sure their readers were kept up to full speed re the phone hacking scandal....... maybe the fact hat it was because it was Murdoch owned publications employees in connection to their jobs who were implicated.

And of course, much of the media is owned by chaps.

An impartial press...... you must be ****ing joking !

With regards to myself...... I get Private Eye magazine every fortnight...... I recommend to anyone who is interested in finding out re the true extent of fraud and sharp practice, etc, albeit in the main UK 'flavoured', to buy it........ it's scandalous what is going on and equally as scandalous that the majority of the population are not even aware of most of it........ as often the mainstream so called impartial press won't print it.

In Ireland the closest to Private Eye perhaps is The Phoenix, which I also buy...... but I have to say, whilst there are sometimes articles of interest, it is in my opinion a tame relation to Private Eye.

RiverOfLove

Langerland wrote: »

Just view it in Chrome. It translates automatically. The comments are more interesting than the article. Pretty measured responses as you would expect from Germans. They predominantly question why these guys are still free and that this type of conversation is common in all such banks and hedge fund institutions.

Aren't we questioning the same? Only that we know why they are free and why our government is very lax on movement just talking and acting in front of a camera for Enda Kenny. They've all been walking hand in hand together.

SpaceTime

Langerland wrote: »

Just view it in Chrome. It translates automatically. The comments are more interesting than the article. Pretty measured responses as you would expect from Germans. They predominantly question why these guys are still free and that this type of conversation is common in all such banks and hedge fund institutions.

I noticed on some of the Austrian sites, they were wondering if the same kinds of conversations where going on over there, but they just don't have access to tapes.

SpaceTime

For translation:
if you'd rather not donate all your data to Google, just get the Google Translate plug in for Firefox or Safari rather than installing Chrome.

AnOrdinaryJoe

Job Application

I am a nice chap.

I understand how finance works.

I also have a good knowledge of 'reputational risk' issues and, if required, what options may be actioned in connection to same.

I am also a good communicator, especially with regards to emails.

My previous experiences include a degree of assistance in connection to money laundering for world leading corporations such as MDC (Mexican Drug Cartels) and a few highly respected countries with no connection to terrorism.

I have lots of nice suits and silk ties and any prospective employer can be assured that I would always look the part.

I also have nice aftershaves and any prospective employer can be assured that I would always smell nice.... I do not have the 'Fragrance of Cesspit' favoured by executives from Anglo Irish.

I am interested in any senior executive positions which may come available, with particular interest in a Chairman position and the mullah which normally accompanies such positions.

If possibly my preference would be to work for a bank which is closely connected to the government, if not to the ordinary taxpayers whose money could, if they didn't chose, be mis-appropriated from them, for matters more important than anything they might benefit from, such as topping up bank pension funds, etc.

All enquiries gratefully received.


Phil T Rich