The Anglo Irish Tapes

Aidric

This sort of bravado goes on in board rooms all over the world, of that you can be sure. What galls is the fact that this was taxpayers money that was being abused.

It has a watershed feeling about it.

RiverOfLove

Tomorrows protest is it going a 1pm from the GPO marching to Leinster house?

I hope they will be loud speakers there and these tapes should be played loud and I hope people stop dancing to their tune from now and wake up and smell the coffee. Ireland is corrupt to the core and has been since the foundations of the state and it starts at the political field.

Enda Kenny speaking in the Dail the past couple of days is using these tapes for political scoring against FF.

Courtesy Flush

The Indo are playing this well. 'Leaking' a few snippets each day, its like a sadistic naughty tease

SpaceTime

Any idea when the next 'tapes' come out?

RiverOfLove

Aidric wrote: »

This sort of bravado goes on in board rooms all over the world, of that you can be sure. What galls is the fact that this was taxpayers money that was being abused.

It has a watershed feeling about it.

Other countries have jailed their corrupt little bankers. We haven't. Ireland rewarded them with handsome money packages.

AnOrdinaryJoe

tayto lover wrote: »

Amazing how these lads can just walk into another big job after fcuking-up the country.
The "old boys" clubs are alive and well.

Chaps looking after chaps.....

RiverOfLove

SpaceTime wrote: »

Any idea when the next 'tapes' come out?

I think tomorrow

cometogether

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

Chaps looking after chaps.....

Same could be said for any potential court case

AnOrdinaryJoe

Davidth88 wrote: »

You know the Irish people are amazing !

I reckon in France or Italy these pigs would have been lynched by now .


Instead they sit happy in the knowledge that they have a great pension , and the men on Kildare St will moan about it for a while and then we will all forget about it.

David, your comment is quite offensive...... there are many ordinary decent pigs who would probably resent being compared to banksters.

JupiterKid

This is my mood and I suspect the mood of many people this week...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM

AnOrdinaryJoe

Quandary wrote: »

This thing is just gonna drag out and after a couple of years it will dissolve into something where no one is held accountable.

Sure just look at a certain former disgraced Taoiseach of ours. Extortionate tribunal finds he has lied yet he simply disagrees with the findings, claiming they are erroneous.

Wouldn't it be great to be able to go to court, have your case torn to pieces, commit perjury and then just turn around and say "I disagree judge, see ya!!"

The harsh hand of the law only applies to the little man here folks.

This thing you refer...... 'the law'........ what is this ?

Quandary

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

This thing you refer...... 'the law'........ what is this ?

Don't pay a couple of penalty points, ignore tv licence reminders, smuggle some garlic maybe....

Then you'll know the swift justice of the law!

Gringo180

Quandary wrote: »

Don't pay a couple of penalty points, ignore tv licence reminders, smuggle some garlic maybe....

Then you'll know the swift justice of the law!

I wont be paying for a tv license again they can put me away for a few weeks if they like!!

AnOrdinaryJoe

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Do people still use tapes??

Oh yes.... some people still use ye olde fashioned tapes.

The police for example.

In connection to my ongoing attempts to shine a light onto collusive interbank sharp practice and collusion, but not getting any answers (the banks collectively (collaboratively) refuse to answer), 'funnily enough' I started to draw attention from the police..... I was threatened and intimidated...... then a few weeks ago I was arrested in connection to my 'harassment; against the collective might of the big banks, a totally preposterous allegation in my opinion and of others.

And a tactic used I feel to try to silence me and to intimidate me, not least as the banks concerned KNOW that the claims etc I have made against them are true and accurate.... in connection to which, despite having threatened me with legal action on a number of occasions, neither the banks collectively i.e. as a single entity, or separately / independently from each other, have pursued the legal actions they were so forceful in advising.

And as everyone knows..... banks aren't slow to take people to court if they feel that they are in the right.

My expected 24 hour enforced incarceration and seizure of my laptop (on which my documented enquiries were compiled and from which they were sent) which was expected to be for an 'indefinate period of time as it was considered to be ''evidence'' ' as alluded to by one of the 3 arresting officers, after interview, during which I made it quite obvious that there were no proper grounds for my arrest, that the supporting information the police had which was the basis for my arrest was eroneous and full of inappropriate and supported inuendo which had come from within the banking sector, I was released without charge and my laptop returned to me at the same time.

Which sort of says it all........

The banksters feel that they can even use the police inappropriately and in pursuit of their misguided and inappropriate agendas.

It doesn't always work....

In reference to the use of tapes.... as someone who has never been in trouble, had never been arrested before, and has a clear record i.e. no police record, I was quite surprised to discover that police still record (3 copies) interviews on old fashioned cassette tapes............... a copy of my interview tapes which were given to my solicitor when I was released and my solicitor and I were leaving the police station.

I can't even listen to the tapes, which I'd like to....... other than the police who the hell has a cassette player these days ?

And....... on the basis of a few strange 'things' over the past week or so, I now think that my emails, and possibly my phones, are being interfered by....... sounds far fetched perhaps, but my recent experiences illustrate, and continue to illustrate....... not as far fetched as people, myself included, might think or might have thought.

I am now convinced that the banksters, in cahoots with 'cronies' in some areas, have more influence and power than perhaps some of us realise, and they are able to influence the use of such power and influence wrongly and inappropriately if they feel there may be a reason according to their agenda to do so.

andrewdeerpark

Could not help but notice the pronounced D4 accent and mannerisms on the recorded calls, leaves us down the country in no doubt the dirty connected D4 elite with their superiority complex having their hands on the levers of power and the associated personal wealth that flows their way.

Connected all the way to the bank; that used to be Anglo Irish Bank a pretty rotten society. Terenure College, Clongowes etc.....

Quandary

Gringo180 wrote: »

I wont be paying for a tv license again they can put me away for a few weeks if they like!!

And sadly that will be more time than any fraudulent banker or corrupt politician will ever serve in this country

AnOrdinaryJoe

Quandary wrote: »

Don't pay a couple of penalty points, ignore tv licence reminders, smuggle some garlic maybe....

Then you'll know the swift justice of the law!

And you can bet that at Thursday's protest against the corruption and unacceptable behaviours of the banksters, the state i.e. the police will be filming everybody in attendance regardless of the background of those being filmed. Pensioner or young person, to the left or to the right, etc....... you'll all be filmed. You might not know you're being filmed...... but it is very likely that you will be (and I'm not talking RTE, etc).

No-one filmed or recorded the actions of the banksters when they were robbing the nation and getting up to all sorts........ the opposite in fact, the old 'blind eye approach' having been very much the order of the day.

It's funny (not ha ha funny) how things work !

JRant

Quandary wrote: »

This thing is just gonna drag out and after a couple of years it will dissolve into something where no one is held accountable.

Sure just look at a certain former disgraced Taoiseach of ours. Extortionate tribunal finds he has lied yet he simply disagrees with the findings, claiming they are erroneous.

Wouldn't it be great to be able to go to court, have your case torn to pieces, commit perjury and then just turn around and say "I disagree judge, see ya!!"

The harsh hand of the law only applies to the little man here folks.

There's a tried and trusted method that has been used to great success in the past, follow the money trail.

The tribunial actually did quiet a good job in doing this but it was a completely blunt instrument.

These people (politicians/bankers) think they're so far above the law that I'd be very surprised if there wasn't significant 'money trail' to follow. Personally I don't want another inquiry, I want to see these people explain themselves to a court of law.

RiverOfLove

Just read a few twitter comments and tomorrows tapes will reveal FFs involvment with anglo. Apparently, very shocking stuff to come and will rock many.

Edit: we are past midnight. Todays tapes. Like, later on.

andrewdeerpark

JRant wrote: »

There's a tried and trusted method that has been used to great success in the past, follow the money trail.

The tribunial actually did quiet a good job in doing this but it was a completely blunt instrument.

These people (politicians/bankers) think they're so far above the law that I'd be very surprised if there wasn't significant 'money trail' to follow. Personally I don't want another inquiry, I want to see these people explain themselves to a court of law.

And all the top barristers are D4 / Dublin South elite keeping the wealth within their realm. Its just their time within the bunch of connected elite to profit from the normal Irishman's / Irishwoman's toil. The wheel has turned, let the legal elite feed at the trough for a while.

Let have a tribunal that solves nothing, like all the one's before...

take everything

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Just read a few twitter comments and tomorrows tapes will reveal FFs involvment with anglo. Apparently, very shocking stuff to come and will rock many.

Edit: we are past midnight. Todays tapes. Like, later on.

Would be nice to squeeze a few more denials out of FF first. Cowen and O' Dea have denied knowing anything about them IIRC.
Would love to see them caught out.

BuilderPlumber

I would love to see that pair Bertie Ahern and Charlie McCreevy caught out. 10 years ago, they were swaggering around like they were gods gift. It was this pair who kickstarted all that Anglo Irish Bank/Building Boom/Developer/Bankster culture. This country suffered five years of misery because of people like these and we want to be compensated for that period by having these give back their illgotten money and then go to jail.

Fianna Fail however are not the only ones. Fine Gael, Labour and the Jinto terrorists also were knee deep in this. It would be great to see Bertie, Alan Dukes, and that Jinto cnut Gerry Adams all ending up in deep water!

BuilderPlumber

What seems to be the strangest of all is that these conversations were taped to begin with. You'd think they'd turn off the tapes or say nothing on the phones. It shows how thick these were. Even for fears of being bugged, you'd think they'd discuss this outside of the offices and not engage in the absurd jokes they cracked. It shows that the enemy of the Irish people are fools and have prepared their own noose. It is now time to hang them! An Ireland without the current Fianna Failers, Fine Gaelers, Jintos and Labourers would be good! A new state comprising of new people in politics/banking and a stricter regulation of politics and banking/business is needed.

BuilderPlumber

Some of our former recent Taoisigh have been criminals. Reading an earlier post about the certain former Taoiseach denying allegation of corruption at a tribunal, I haven't a clue who the poster is talking about here! I have it narrowed down to 2: Yes, 2 corrupt Taoisigh did this at a tribunal: a man called Charles J Haughey and a certain Patrick Bartholemew Bertie Anorakman Bananaman Ahern!! And most of the other Taoisigh we have had also were more than likely corrupt and/or too weak to stand up to corruption. What a country!

Noreen1

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

What seems to be the strangest of all is that these conversations were taped to begin with. You'd think they'd turn off the tapes or say nothing on the phones. It shows how thick these were. Even for fears of being bugged, you'd think they'd discuss this outside of the offices and not engage in the absurd jokes they cracked. It shows that the enemy of the Irish people are fools and have prepared their own noose. It is now time to hang them! An Ireland without the current Fianna Failers, Fine Gaelers, Jintos and Labourers would be good! A new state comprising of new people in politics/banking and a stricter regulation of politics and banking/business is needed.

I'm not at all convinced that this shows they were thick.

I think it shows they were incredibly arrogant, and believed there would be no consequences.
The question is, why?

RiverOfLove

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

What seems to be the strangest of all is that these conversations were taped to begin with. You'd think they'd turn off the tapes or say nothing on the phones. It shows how thick these were. Even for fears of being bugged, you'd think they'd discuss this outside of the offices and not engage in the absurd jokes they cracked. It shows that the enemy of the Irish people are fools and have prepared their own noose. It is now time to hang them! An Ireland without the current Fianna Failers, Fine Gaelers, Jintos and Labourers would be good! A new state comprising of new people in politics/banking and a stricter regulation of politics and banking/business is needed.

This is it. Corruption is deep rooted and going back decades and we'll just spring from one to another from FG to FF and back again repeating the same cycles.

take everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYTyluv4Gws

Interesting look at banking culture.

AnOrdinaryJoe

All of 'this' nearly makes you wish we had an Ian Paisley or several in our political establishment. If nothing else you at least knew what you were getting...... better the devil you know than devils who in reality you know very little about what the feckers get up to and what scheming their faecal matter brains are working out.

A bit like if you had a choice regarding the type of criminal / thief you came into contact with..... I'd rather meet the guy with the stripey jumper and wearing an eye mask and with a bag marked swag on the end of a stick thrown over his shoulder than the sneaky white collar criminal wearing a flash suit and silk tie and whose 'weapon' is the fountain pen.

I wonder if there will be any revelations set to come out regarding Bank of Liarland or Allied Irish Banksters ?

Please note: it should be understood that I am not implying that Mr Ian Paisley was / is a thief or a criminal..... the above was perhaps a clumsy way of trying to say what...... I was trying to say. Gotta 'clarify' these sort of things you know.

BuilderPlumber

Noreen1 wrote: »

I'm not at all convinced that this shows they were thick.

I think it shows they were incredibly arrogant, and believed there would be no consequences.
The question is, why?

Very true. They thought they were above the law. That was typical of the so-called Celtic Tiger. They really thought this would go on forever and that they could do anything they wanted. Yes, their attitude was they were untouchable and arrogant in the highest extreme. Arrogance has been the Achilles heal of many inclusive of the Nazis. So, hopefully it will bring down ALL (be they bankers, politicians, developers, businessmen, auditors, management accountants, shareholders or legal professionals) who were involved in running, protecting and hiding Anglo Irish Bank fraud.

BuilderPlumber

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

All of 'this' nearly makes you wish we had an Ian Paisley or several in our political establishment. If nothing else you at least knew what you were getting...... better the devil you know than devils who in reality you know very little about what the feckers get up to and what scheming their faecal matter brains are working out.

A bit like if you had a choice regarding the type of criminal / thief you came into contact with..... I'd rather meet the guy with the stripey jumper and wearing an eye mask and with a bag marked swag on the end of a stick thrown over his shoulder than the sneaky white collar criminal wearing a flash suit and silk tie and whose 'weapon' is the fountain pen.

I wonder if there will be any revelations set to come out regarding Bank of Liarland or Allied Irish Banksters ?

Please note: it should be understood that I am not implying that Mr Ian Paisley was / is a thief or a criminal..... the above was perhaps a clumsy way of trying to say what...... I was trying to say. Gotta 'clarify' these sort of things you know.

AIB (meaning Allied Irish Bank) were second only to Anglo as corrupt banksters by all accounts. They would all make one sick. BOI were probably in third place. Politics was always a disgrace in Ireland but there was a time when our banks were one of the most cautious and stable in Europe. Seanie Fitz and co ended that and any accountant, banker or financial advisor who advised cautiousness was a loser and the culture was you were no good if you were not prepared to take risks! Where are all these poor (forgive the pun) risk taking entrepeneurs who were taken in by this now? Either broke, suicidal, in bad health, depressed, on the dole or already dead. Where are all the advisors who gave this advice? Laughing at us and free with their siphoned money seemingly untouchable.