Anyone else not want children?

thomasjones

The best gift you can give to the world is a well-educated, well brought up child. They are the future of the human race.

I love hearing annoying self-righteous people saying they're not having children. It means my children won't have to tolerate their offspring.....win-win.

Legs.Eleven

eviltwin wrote: »

What's the surprise?

On the edge of my seat waiting to hear what the surprise is...

XxMCRxBabyxX

thomasjones wrote: »

The best gift you can give to the world is a well-educated, well brought up child. They are the future of the human race.

I love hearing annoying self-righteous people saying they're not having children. It means my children won't have to tolerate their offspring.....win-win.

Pot, meet kettle

kunst nugget

**Vai** wrote: »

Yeah its not evenly spread but the population numbers go up no matter where the baby is born. We need to look at our way of thinking in the 1st world in order to change the thinking of those overpopulated places. Its a global issue.

A couple of middle class people in Ireland deciding to not have kids isn't going to change the attitudes to parenthood of people in Africa. Also, if I can afford to look after the kids I spawn why should I deprive myself of the right to do that?

**Vai**

kunst nugget wrote: »

A couple of middle class people in Ireland deciding to not have kids isn't going to change the attitudes to parenthood of people in Africa. Also, if I can afford to look after the kids I spawn why should I deprive myself of the right to do that?

I've previously said I have no issue with people having a kid or 2. If you want to, fair play. None of my business.

It wont change anything if I decide not to have kids but I can still put my opinion across. Im hoping there are a lot of people who will take the time to think about the bigger picture and not just themselves and their immediate surroundings.

thomasjones

**Vai** wrote: »

None of my business

Correct.

Now go back to the Star Trek forum.

**Vai**

thomasjones wrote: »

Correct.

Now go back to the Star Trek forum.

I see your argument is well educated and informed. Good luck with those future world leaders.

kunst nugget

**Vai** wrote: »

It wont change anything if I decide not to have kids but I can still put my opinion across.

Im hoping there are a lot of people who will take the time to think about the bigger picture and not just themselves and their immediate surroundings.[/QUOTE]

So does your train of of thought work like this?

You show the planet that you, as a citizen of the 1st world, are not having kids to help save the environment so that they will see how highly evolved and enlightened your philosophy is and stop squeezing out the African babies.

maguic24

I never want kids and I never want to be married....but I've been in a relationship the last 2 and half years....:-/

**Vai**

kunst nugget wrote: »

Im hoping there are a lot of people who will take the time to think about the bigger picture and not just themselves and their immediate surroundings.

So does your train of of thought work like this?

You show the planet that you, as a citizen of the 1st world, are not having kids to help save the environment so that they will see how highly evolved and enlightened your philosophy is and stop squeezing out the African babies.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Its just a happy side effect. Im not having kids mainly because I don't wants kids and luckily, neither does my OH. If you read my earlier posts instead of picking what you want from the latter parts of the thread, you would know that.

Im not telling anyone what to do or what they should do, Im just putting across my point of view. Nor am I trying to upset anyone who doesn't feel the same way as I do. The tempers in this thread have frayed quite a few times, you will see that mine has not.

thomasjones

I'm not having kids either because of......eh.....overpopulation.

It's nothing to do with me not getting a ride.


:pac::pac:

**Vai**

thomasjones wrote: »

I'm not having kids either because of......eh.....overpopulation.

It's nothing to do with me not getting a ride.


:pac::pac:

You do understand contraception, right? Its that thing that stops us having kids every time we 'get a ride'.

maguic24

thomasjones wrote: »

I'm not having kids either because of......eh.....overpopulation.

It's nothing to do with me not getting a ride.


:pac::pac:

Contraceptives...you should try them.

kunst nugget

**Vai** wrote: »

Nope. Its just a happy side effect. Im not having kids mainly because I don't wants kids and luckily, neither does my OH. If you read my earlier posts instead of picking what you want from the latter parts of the thread, you would know that.

Im not telling anyone what to do or what they should do, Im just putting across my point of view. Nor am I trying to upset anyone who doesn't feel the same way as I do. The tempers in this thread have frayed quite a few times, you will see that mine has not.

I totally understand people not wanting to have kids. If you don't like the messy fúckers why would you want to invite one into your life full time to appease societal expectations? But I have always found the reason 'Well, we're not going to have kids because of overpopulation' for all its right-on values in relation to protecting the environment always carries a racist overtone of 'Well, we're not having babies because those people in the third world can't keep their legs shut…'

**Vai**

kunst nugget wrote: »

I totally understand people not wanting to have kids. If you don't like the messy fúckers why would you want to invite one into your life full time to appease societal expectations? But I have always found the reason 'Well, we're not going to have kids because of overpopulation' for all its right-on values in relation to protecting the environment always carries a racist overtone of 'Well, we're not having babies because those people in the third world can't keep their legs shut…'

God no, that's not where Im coming from at all. It is a fact that its mostly third world countries that are overpopulated but that has nothing to do with my argument. They do need education in those places but so do we. It is my opinion (global overpopulation) but its not the reason Im not having kids.

OldNotWIse

**Vai** wrote: »

What an idiotic way to look at the issue. Seriously, try looking outside of Ireland, at the bigger picture. Just because we have space, should we fill it with extra people? America and Australia better get cracking too then because they have incredible amounts of space. Best fill all that up with people too.

Personally I look at Henry Street and think, "sh1t, faaaaaar too many people here" :P

**Vai**

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Personally I look at Henry Street and think, "sh1t, faaaaaar too many people here" :P

Hahaha its been a while but when I lived in Dublin it certainly seemed overpopulated compared to my culchie background!

OldNotWIse

thomasjones wrote: »

The best gift you can give to the world is a well-educated, well brought up child. They are the future of the human race.

I love hearing annoying self-righteous people saying they're not having children. It means my children won't have to tolerate their offspring.....win-win.

I think its time to invent a word...none of the words in my head are quite the right response...


cue "we are the world" lol

noddyone2

thomasjones wrote: »

The best gift you can give to the world is a well-educated, well brought up child. They are the future of the human race.
Well, what about people who can't, for whatever reason, afford to have their children ''well-educated?

I love hearing annoying self-righteous people saying they're not having children. It means my children won't have to tolerate their offspring.....win-win.

Ah now, up one's own bottom a little bit, perhaps?

OldNotWIse

noddyone2 wrote: »

Ah now, up one's own bottom a little bit, perhaps?

no no...his children are a gift to the world remember? And make sure you raise them there brats right else they be causin' probs for his progeny right?

**Vai**

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I think its time to invent a word...none of the words in my head are quite the right response...

I don't speak it but I always go to German when looking for words like that. They have some true crackers.

Duckjob

Speaking as a relatively new parent, I never really considered myself a "kid" person - always thought of kids as annoying little sh*tebags if I'm honest. I'm fully aware now that my little one is probably also an annoying little sh*tebag too, but the thing is - she's *MY* annoying little sh*tebag

On a more serious note, I think raising your own kids is a experience of extremes. All the negatives pointed out on this thread by the people who don't want them are true, but there's the other side that can be so deeply fulfilling and balances out all the crap. - and it's a side that I never fully got until I became a Dad. I can honestly say, speaking only for myself, I've never previously experienced the feeling of "contentment" I do having my daughter in my life.

Femme_Fatale

seenitall wrote: »

Hmmm... I think there is a big elephant in the room here as to why people get so defensive about this, however as no one else has mentioned it so far, I'm not going to be the one to open that particular can of worms either, thanks all the same.

Thinking of the specifically Irish attitudes around procreation, as opposed to the rest of Europe.

I'm actually stumped. Why not just say what it is? Something to do with inheritance?

maguic24 wrote: »

I never want kids and I never want to be married....but I've been in a relationship the last 2 and half years....:-/

Break up with them if you're that miserable?

IrishExpat

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

My worst nightmare would be having a kid but not being granted full access for whatever reason.

And this is in a nutshell a very real fear amongst Irish men, especially un-married Irish fathers. It should be a consideration before deciding to reproduce; as Irish fathers should not expect a fair hearing re; guardianship or visitation right if the mother decides to use the system in its current form.

Have seen it first-hand and am aware of countless situations.

A very backward country in this respect.

maguic24

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I'm actually stumped. Why not just say what it is? Something to do with inheritance?

Break up with them if you're that miserable?

I'm not miserable, never said I was. Just because I don't want to get married or have kids doesn't mean I'm miserable. I like being in a relationship, doesn't mean I have to get married or have babies. Society expects me to want to get married and have kids but I'm quite content in my relationship as it is. If it's not broken, don't fix it!!!

Also if you feel you want to get married and have kids, that's fine, I'm just simply trying to make the OP feel a bit better. You're not alone OP.

Femme_Fatale

maguic24 wrote: »

I'm not miserable, never said I was. Just because I don't want to get married or have kids doesn't mean I'm miserable. I like being in a relationship, doesn't mean I have to get married or have babies. Society expects me to want to get married and have kids but I'm quite content in my relationship as it is. If it's not broken, don't fix it!!!

Also if you feel you want to get married and have kids, that's fine, I'm just simply trying to make the OP feel a bit better. You're not alone OP.

Really sorry - I misunderstood your post.

seenitall

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I'm actually stumped. Why not just say what it is? Something to do with inheritance?

Really? No, not inheritance. Think more along the lines as to how and why, as I said, the attitude of the Irish state, and the Irish mentality in general, differ from most other European countries when it comes to the issue of human reproduction.

Enough of a clue?

traineeacc

I used to think I didn't want kids,as I got already I realised that I didn't feel fulfilled (with career erc),have a beautiful family now and feel happy and content, rising up the career ladder wasn't fulfillment but I previously thought it would be.

To be honest I still have no time for other peoples kids and I know I don't come across as anyway maternal but I love the little brats to bits!

traineeacc

seenitall wrote: »

Really? No, not inheritance. Think more along the lines as to how and why, as I said, the attitude of the Irish state, and the Irish mentality in general, differ from most other European countries when it comes to the issue of human reproduction.

Enough of a clue?

That's a whole topic of its own!!!!

Henlars67

I don't want kids or a long-term relationship. I'm quite happy being able to do what I want when I want.

I like taking my nephew for a day or two but it's great to be able to give him back to my sister. Wouldn't want one full time.

I find it really annoying when people say 'you only think that' or something on those lines and when people think that it isn't normal to not want a relationship and kids.

Most people do, but it isn't for everyone and I hate how quite a lot of people don't accept that some of us just don't want that life.