High Court moron forces ISP's to block Torrent sites

**Vai** · 13-06-2013 12:08pm

Piratebay can piss off anyway but does anyone know if kat.ph has been blocked too? Cant access it without going to the proxy site.

hatrickpatrick · 13-06-2013 12:10pm

Gentlemen.
www.torproject.org

Until we manage to defeat the moronic creeping specter of internet censorship, this is the nicest alternative. I've tested it on Eircom, it works perfectly for the pirate bay at the very least. After downloading a torrent, one can simply configure it to use different trackers, of which there are a multitude, to find seeders.

Note of course than I am obviously referring only to perfectly legal torrents which link only to files that you, the user, has a legal right to. I would never dream of condoning the use of Tor or the Pirate Bay for any sort of nefarious shenanigans whatsoever.

fonda · 13-06-2013 12:10pm

Caliden wrote: »

The Gardai are on their way. TrueCrypt your hard drives now!

Better delete my Boards account as well so I can remove this evidence

runawaybishop · 13-06-2013 12:20pm

CruelCoin wrote: »

The vast majority of all traffic through thepiratebay is the downloading of torrents for copyrighted material.

Is it?

CruelCoin wrote: »

There is no possible reason the owners/runners of the site could claim they knew nothing about it, and if they did (as they must have done) and did nothing to stop it, then they were indeed facilitating.

So websites are responsible for the content their users post links to - fine. All community sites are now illegal and should be shut down - at the request of corporations and to the detriment of peoples freedom.

chosen1 · 13-06-2013 12:23pm

**Vai** wrote: »

Piratebay can piss off anyway but does anyone know if kat.ph has been blocked too? Cant access it without going to the proxy site.

Had to use the proxy site here too. On upc broadband.

Keyzer · 13-06-2013 12:25pm

Lightbulb Sun wrote: »

As has been said before, it's the precedent of blocking the largest torrent site. It puts pressure on the others then. Netflix and Spotify did not cause HMV to close, rather their losses because of piracy. This had been going on for years.

Nonsense.

Piracy is only one of the factors behind drops in sales for store retailers.

Remove piracy from this argument for a second - for at least 15 years its been possible to purchase anything in a HMV store cheaper online. HMV and other retailers knew this and did nothing other than put their prices up in some cases. They ignored this threat as it grew and grew. That coupled with the end of the boom times and reduction in disposable income meant people looked for lower prices and went online in their droves.

Add Netflix and Spotify to the mix.
Add iTunes to the mix and the increase in purchasing songs as opposed to albums.
Add supermarkets to the mix selling cheap CD's at affordable prices.
Add that HMV never developed a real online presence to the mix.

Piracy didn't kill HMV, it killed itself through failure to adapt and change.

Don't believe me? Maybe you'll believe this guy, a former HMV advertising executive: link

And if piracy is that bad how come Apple made $1.4 billion dollars in iTunes sales in the first quarter of 2011? Albeit not all of that was music but I put good money on the lions share of that figure being music related.

Prodigious · 13-06-2013 12:26pm

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/kat.ph

returnNull · 13-06-2013 12:28pm

chosen1 wrote: »

Had to use the proxy site here too. On upc broadband.

same here on eircom BB.Hmmmm thought it was only piratebay blocked.....

**Vai** · 13-06-2013 12:29pm

Prodigious wrote: »

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/kat.ph

I tried it on downrightnow and it said the site was still up. Must be blocked here though.

Sin City · 13-06-2013 12:31pm

Prodigious wrote: »

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/kat.ph

I was on it about an hour ago. so it must just be down recently

Prodigious · 13-06-2013 12:31pm

Taking connections from Asia but not from Europe at the moment. Doubt it's blocked, I'd say they're having server issues or something.

truthful guy · 13-06-2013 12:35pm

anyone know of torrentday still working? i'm on UPC
in work and wouldn't try to access it

**Vai** · 13-06-2013 12:35pm

@Prodigious; Its a possibility alright but it usually tells you to go to their status page for details if the site is undergoing maintenance. Plus the proxy address works.

Prodigious · 13-06-2013 12:37pm

**Vai** wrote: »

@Prodigious; Its a possibility alright but it usually tells you to go to their status page for details if the site is undergoing maintenance. Plus the proxy address works.

The site that says it up is full of comments to the contrary.

http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/kat.ph.html#commentstop

DipStick McSwindler · 13-06-2013 12:38pm

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Israeli Superiority · 13-06-2013 12:38pm

truthful guy wrote: »

anyone know of torrentday still working? i'm on UPC
in work and wouldn't try to access it

Yeah, I can see the homepage and I'm on Sky. Any chance of an invite?

Israeli Superiority · 13-06-2013 12:39pm

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

Is kat.ph down for anybody else? could be a site upgrade all the same

Not working for me. Looks like a server is down. Similar thing happened to Warez-bb a few months ago.

truthful guy · 13-06-2013 12:41pm

Israeli Superiority wrote: »

Yeah, I can see the homepage and I'm on Sky. Any chance of an invite?

not even a drink first....

I have one spare.. but i kinda promised it to a friend!!

DipStick McSwindler · 13-06-2013 12:41pm

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Caliden · 13-06-2013 12:43pm

Anyone know how this court order affects phone internet access? Does it fall under the same blanket?

I get HSPA/3G speeds on my phone most of the time so would a tether suffice for a torrent and then regular internet for seeding?

old_aussie · 13-06-2013 12:50pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It provides links, .

So the piratebay provides the links, that people can use to download copywrited material.

Prodigious · 13-06-2013 12:51pm

old_aussie wrote: »

So the piratebay provides the links, that people can use to download copywrited material.

So does Google.

kingtiger · 13-06-2013 12:55pm

Caliden wrote: »

Anyone know how this court order affects phone internet access? Does it fall under the same blanket?

doesn't matter, just search on google play for "torrent tracker" app

this uses a proxy to access TPB so no ISP blocking is going to bother you

Freddy Smelly · 13-06-2013 12:58pm

boycott music and movies then... that will learn them

desertcircus · 13-06-2013 1:03pm

This isn't a simple "good guys v bad thieves" story. Record companies are spectacularly inefficient at actually putting money in the hands of artists and very good at putting it in the hands of the record companies. They emerged as a result of the structure of the music industry post-war, and dictated the shape the industry took as time went on, with very little consideration for the artists or the consumers. Torrenting is far from being morally flawless, but at the very least it involves vastly less deadweight loss in now-obsolete distribution and management structures. Figure out a way for artists to get paid and you're sorted.

Sin City · 13-06-2013 1:08pm

desertcircus wrote: »

This isn't a simple "good guys v bad thieves" story. Record companies are spectacularly inefficient at actually putting money in the hands of artists and very good at putting it in the hands of the record companies. They emerged as a result of the structure of the music industry post-war, and dictated the shape the industry took as time went on, with very little consideration for the artists or the consumers. Torrenting is far from being morally flawless, but at the very least it involves vastly less deadweight loss in now-obsolete distribution and management structures. Figure out a way for artists to get paid and you're sorted.

As far as I am aware, artists get the majority of their income from touring , what the recieve in record sales is tiny

dub_skav · 13-06-2013 1:12pm

I find this very perplexing.
On the one hand I think that they are attempting to block people from doing illegal things - fair enough.
On the other hand I think that getting the ISPs to do this seems an odd way of going about it. I also worry that this process may be abused

However, I can't help but think that those engaging in piracy are a major part of the problem.
The record companies have conclusive proof of illegal activity, they also have conclusive proof of TPB being used for illegal activity.
On the back of this proof they have used the Irish government and courts as tools to get ISPs to block sites.

All the people talking about erosion of freedoms, censorship and dangerous precedents need to take a long hard look in the mirror. If nobody was using torrent sites to break the law - or at least if it wasn't so widespread - then this case wouldn't have made it to court.

Anyone · 13-06-2013 1:15pm

What is everyone talking about music for? This is about porn.

Sin City · 13-06-2013 1:15pm

Today it torrents
Tomorrow its porn

:eek:

desertcircus · 13-06-2013 1:17pm

Sin City wrote: »

As far as I am aware, artists get the majority of their income from touring , what the recieve in record sales is tiny

This is where things may get interesting. An act that gets a lot of attention may be able to use something like Kickstarter to fund a tour and to identify the places it makes sense for them to play. Strip out touring entourages and the various entities taking their percentage, and artists could make a decent living - or could continue their normal life alongside their music if they wanted. All without record companies taking 80% of the money

High Court moron forces ISP's to block Torrent sites

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