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High Court moron forces ISP's to block Torrent sites

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    #122
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Jericho. wrote: »
    The principle of the thing. Do you think they'll stop there with just the one website? Will they leave it at just file sharing websites now there's an mechanism to block sites? Do you trust the government and large corporations to decide what you should be able to view on the internet?
    Eircom went down this road years ago. A complete irrelevance. I appreciate the principal of the thing part but in reality it makes no difference. Let's be honest the Irish Government are light years behind your average 12 year old when it comes to IT.


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    #123
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Eircom went down this road years ago. A complete irrelevance. I appreciate the principal of the thing part but in reality it makes no difference. Let's be honest the Irish Government are light years behind your average 12 year old when it comes to IT.

    And thats the problem they and the courts will do whatever they are told by lobby groups like IRMA without considering the consequences cus they simply dont understand the technology they are dealing with


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    #124
    Conmaicne Mara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,543 ✭✭✭Conmaicne Mara


    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    Sometimes I wonder if these High Court Justices were dropped on their heads as babies.

    Lol :pac:


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    #125
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Retrovertigo wrote: »
    Makes absolutely no difference for anyone wanting to access torrents from the pirate bay.

    They did the same in the UK and instead there were sites set up that would search the Pirate Bay on your behalf by proxy and return the same torrent.

    Happy downloading.
    ah well


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    #126
    Duggy747
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    It makes it look like they have control over how piracy goes on the net and that they have the power to stop it through this. TPB is an absolute fraction to where one can download stuff but it's a name that's most popular in relation to online piracy.

    Reminds me of the Napster peer-to-peer scenario when there was many similar applications (WinMX, LimeWire, etc) that did the same purpose.

    This paints a much bigger picture of a potential capacity to limit sites of whatever content, through blockage or throttling, that a 3rd party would complain about.


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    #127
    zom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    120_Minutes wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks this is about piracy is very naive, thats just the tool they're using to usher in what they really want: control.

    As someone already said "You are confusing necessities like medical care and food with luxury entertainment such as freedom". Most people don't need free access to facts and information - they need "necessities" as food, drink and easy to consume entertainment.


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    #128
    Jericho.
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Jericho.


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Eircom went down this road years ago. A complete irrelevance. I appreciate the principal of the thing part but in reality it makes no difference. Let's be honest the Irish Government are light years behind your average 12 year old when it comes to IT.

    There were 260 websites on the initial ban list. What these are is unknown. They have their landmark ruling. More censorship will follow. Now is the time to do something before it gets out of hand.


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    #129
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    It makes it look like they have control over how piracy goes on the net and that they have the power to stop it through this. TPB is an absolute fraction to where one can download stuff but it's a name that's most popular in relation to online piracy.

    Reminds me of the Napster peer-to-peer scenario when there was many similar applications (WinMX, LimeWire, etc) that did the same purpose.

    This paints a much bigger picture of a potential capacity to limit sites of whatever content, through blockage or throttling, that a 3rd party would complain about.
    They will never have the upper hand against piracy . People will always find a way
    .


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    #130
    El Inho
    Registered Users Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭El Inho


    If only the efforts were used to improve our archaic Web infrastructure


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    #131
    Fart
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Fart


    I use Torrents to quickly download large game patches.

    :(


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    #132
    Retrovertigo
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭Retrovertigo


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    ah well

    CRIMINAL!


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    #133
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Fairly sure most people would download a car if they could.

    Just need a giant 3D printer. We'll all be driving around in pirated hover cars in the future.


    So a company can decide what websites can be blocked. Wasnt there a company trying to block websites that linked it or something?

    They wont win, they are fighting against people who understand technology and its only a google search away form a step by step guide on how to do it. They cant even remove all the stuff like child porn and drugs from the internet, what hope do they have against something that so many people do?

    Like someone else said, if only they spent the money on having top quality internet connections and supplying netflix like services.


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    #134
    TheUsual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭TheUsual


    Good luck trying to police this.

    I am worried that some sites with shareware software will be blocked by accident, or just though laziness.

    More ISP providers is good for choice and access for us in the future.


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    #135
    Duggy747
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    They will never have the upper hand against piracy . People will always find a way
    .

    For every site that is shut down or blocked, many more will appear to scoop up their traffic.


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    #136
    [Deleted User]
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    UrbanFret wrote: »
    ah well

    Ah, well, well.


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    #137
    thunderdog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭thunderdog


    Just browse the web using the tor network. Problem solved

    https://www.torproject.org/


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    #138
    jjbrien
    Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭jjbrien


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Trying to censor the internet will never work.

    How long will it take for new torrent sites to pop up,not to mention the thousands already out there?

    Will there be a Minister for Site Blocking?

    Pointless exercise.

    Well dont even need another site to be honest vpn via a diffrent country and your good to go again.

    Pointless really a lot of money wasted on a stupid court case. Someone in Canada took isohunt to court and won but its still going. They took napster down and something else just took its place they should just realize they cant win and give up.


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    #139
    [Deleted User]
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    jjbrien wrote: »
    Well dont even need another site to be honest vpn via a diffrent country and your good to go again

    Or get a linux vps in Russia, install Transmission GUI, then download data via sftp.


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    #140
    Skull Murphy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Skull Murphy


    So these "record companies" are in sole possession of the means to make & distribute music? :eek:

    AH be full of hippies.


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    #141
    Magnetics
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭Magnetics


    The likes of pirate bay and other torrent sites are actually beneficial to musicians as their music is getting to an audience it otherwise wouldn't have gotten to. Musicians make the bulk of their money from live performances so if illegal downloading ceased, they would suffer financially

    The most worrying thing to come out of this ruling though is that this could be a large stepping stone to censoring the net in a big way


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    #142
    Prodigious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    Tell good ol' Seanie what you think.

    Tel:
    Phone: 022-53523
    Fax: 022-57761
    Mobile: 087-7402057


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    #143
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,108 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    Not really, illegal downloading will continue.

    And that's why this is ****ing retarded.
    +1 the internet was designed to see and blockage, inc censorship and the like as a fault and route around it. In the end they'll lock it down for most people, but even that's a while away.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #144
    sebastianlieken
    Registered Users Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭sebastianlieken


    oh nooooooo, they're blocking access to the Pirate Bay????....

    what ever will we do!!!
    Proxies!!! :D

    It's been like this in the UK now already for a couple of months. Hasn't slowed me down at all. ;)


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    #145
    Prodigious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    sebastianlieken wrote: »
    oh nooooooo, they're blocking access to the Pirate Bay????....

    what ever will we do!!!
    Proxies!!! :D

    It's been like this in the UK now already for a couple of months. Hasn't slowed me down at all. ;)

    That's not the point. It's the principle.


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    #146
    120_Minutes
    Registered Users Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    zom wrote: »
    As someone already said "You are confusing necessities like medical care and food with luxury entertainment such as freedom". Most people don't need free access to facts and information - they need "necessities" as food, drink and easy to consume entertainment.

    And shure, when they're saying we dont need to go outside after 10pm wont we be grand too?


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    #147
    sebastianlieken
    Registered Users Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭sebastianlieken


    Prodigious wrote: »
    That's not the point. It's the principle.

    That may be the case, but at the end of the day - they are dumbasses, and the thing about dumbasses is that they're pretty easy to outsmart.

    I do get you about the principle of it though, they don't (and shouldn't) have a right to ban access to certain sites. They dont own the internet and have no right trying to censor it. Luckily however, it will never work; they're picking a fight they simply cannot win. They are outnumbered, outgunned, outmanned.


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    #148
    Keyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    returnNull wrote: »
    should they not go after the websites that are breaching the copyright?Its like banning cars because they are used in robberies!

    Or perhaps force ISP's to block child pornography sites.

    Just goes to show how hopelessly inept in a technical sense these people are. Do they think piratebay is the only torrent website? That by blocking access to it is going to resolve or change anything?

    This is merely a box ticking exercise to shut people up in the music industry "there, we blocked it, happy now?"...

    If someone wants to illegally download something they will find a way whether its rapidshare or torrents etc.

    And furthermore, the argument that illegal downloading is damaging sales of music etc will rage on but the simple fact is the rapid changes in the delivery medium of entertainment has caused the likes of HMV etc. to close. Netflix and Spotify to name a few are causing these closures. Why by an album when you can listen to it for free and legally?

    The people who come up with these ludicrous ideas of banning websites are fools.


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    #149
    CrazyRabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    It's not about the morality surrounding copyright theft or the impact to artists/companies.
    It's not about whether or not the block can be bypassed.

    It's about a bunch of extremely greedy US companies with an agenda having the power to choose which web sites Irish citizens can view or not.

    It's about setting a precedent for unjust censorship being forced on all Irish ISP's and their customers.

    It's about a unjust law being manipulated to serve the interests of US Media companies at the expense of the basic rights of Irish citizens.

    This is just the start. Within a year, hundreds of sites could be blocked. Any site which can in any way be used to impact the profits of a company can be blocked. Youtube will be a big target, as will all the major search engines who are basically no different than TPB in terms of function.


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    #150
    Caliden
    Registered Users Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭Caliden


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Or perhaps force ISP's to block child pornography sites.

    Just goes to show how hopelessly inept in a technical sense these people are. Do they think piratebay is the only torrent website? That by blocking access to it is going to resolve or change anything?

    This is merely a box ticking exercise to shut people up in the music industry "there, we blocked it, happy now?"...

    If someone wants to illegally download something they will find a way whether its rapidshare or torrents etc.

    And furthermore, the argument that illegal downloading is damaging sales of music etc will rage on but the simple fact is the rapid changes in the delivery medium of entertainment has caused the likes of HMV etc. to close. Netflix and Spotify to name a few are causing these closures. Why by an album when you can listen to it for free and legally?

    The people who come up with these ludicrous ideas of banning websites are fools.

    As strange as it sounds, they are normally aware of those sites (not that they are indexed anyway) but let them operate as normal and then catch the people using them instead.

    I worked for a large web hosting company in the U.S. and the FBI would visit frequently and request for certain Al Qaeda sites to be allowed remain open even after failure to pay fees so they could track who visited them.


    On the topic of piracy, the internet is simply a new medium. Before that it was swapping CD's with your friends or taping off the radio.
    I still buy music occasionally, bought the newest Daft Punk album on vinyl and digital download, but I still went ahead and downloaded it from a torrent because it hadn't arrived in the post by the time the album was released.
    Impatient? Yes. Illegal? No, because I already paid for it.

    I lost all the songs on my ipod recently and I've been adding to my music collection for years but now all of the songs are corrupted so my options are either to go ahead and buy the music all over again or download music that I've already paid for (and lost the most CD's of).


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    #151
    Lightbulb Sun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Lightbulb Sun


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Or perhaps force ISP's to block child pornography sites.

    Just goes to show how hopelessly inept in a technical sense these people are. Do they think piratebay is the only torrent website? That by blocking access to it is going to resolve or change anything?

    This is merely a box ticking exercise to shut people up in the music industry "there, we blocked it, happy now?"...

    If someone wants to illegally download something they will find a way whether its rapidshare or torrents etc.

    And furthermore, the argument that illegal downloading is damaging sales of music etc will rage on but the simple fact is the rapid changes in the delivery medium of entertainment has caused the likes of HMV etc. to close. Netflix and Spotify to name a few are causing these closures. Why by an album when you can listen to it for free and legally?

    The people who come up with these ludicrous ideas of banning websites are fools.
    As has been said before, it's the precedent of blocking the largest torrent site. It puts pressure on the others then. Netflix and Spotify did not cause HMV to close, rather their losses because of piracy. This had been going on for years.


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