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Prime Time Special - Child Care in Ireland (No Downloads - Please Read Post #1)

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    #332
    chris85
    Registered Users Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭chris85


    TheBuck wrote: »
    Not live CCTV feed but recorded each day so that at any point in time it can looked back on by just the parent and Creche owners to see if anything happened.

    Do you really think every parent would approve of having CCTV recorded so ever other parent has the access to see not only their child but every other child in the room.

    If I was a parent I would not be happy to have other parents able to access CCTV of where my child is at.

    The idea is good in its spirit but would not be feasible to implement I feel.


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    #333
    Sniipe
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    chris85 wrote: »
    The idea is good in its spirit but would not be feasible to implement I feel.
    I don't feel cost would be an issue. A synology drive, 12 camera's with audio and a dynamic dns wouldn't be that much for the larger creches. They also have password protection.

    I would prefer to be able to see what is going on because it is essentially a black box.


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    #334
    Stavro Mueller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    If it was my kid I'd wholeheartedly embrace cctv. Most people don't give a toss about other people's kids. I think the importance of being able to see what is going on in the creche when nobody's around overrides everything else. You can put all sorts of regulations in place but you can never one hundred percent trust anyone in those places.


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    #335
    whatawaster
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    cymbaline wrote: »
    If it was my kid I'd wholeheartedly embrace cctv. Most people don't give a toss about other people's kids. I think the importance of being able to see what is going on in the creche when nobody's around overrides everything else. You can put all sorts of regulations in place but you can never one hundred percent trust anyone in those places.

    We can trust our children in primary schools when they are 4/5 we should be able to trust toddlers in pre-schools. Standards need to rise to that level.


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    #336
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    evilivor wrote: »
    It was broadcast twice last night - at 9.30pm and re-screened it at 10.30pm on the +1 channel - RTE did say it advance it would be not rebroadcast afterwards - or available on the RTE Player as per agreement with the parents of the children involved and as for the "Not everyone watches the news or listens to the radio" - how else are they meant to get the word out?

    Its not about "getting the word out" though is it? What if you were in work last night and dont have a sky box? Just tough?

    Theres plenty of people on thread right here asking how and when they can see it. If its in the public interest, then it should be available for all members of the public equally - not just those with recordable boxes.


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    #337
    womandriver
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    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    yes thats the exact context of my comment

    Well that was the part of my post you had highlighted, was it not?


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    #338
    Francie Barrett
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    This place is getting like the Joe Duffy show. Lots of rabble rousing but when it comes to actually doing something, no one gives a sh!t.


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    #339
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Giraffe have some neck charging a grand a month for childcare. In all seriousness though that was grim viewing last night . Those creches were like factories its a sad state of affairs that so many people have to leave their kids in a place like that all day.


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    #340
    Mr E
    Registered Users Posts: 55,452 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    LEEGA wrote: »
    It will be up in a few hours! i will post download links

    Please do not directly post links here - it is a copyrighted show that RTE have decided to restrict availability to (for whatever reason).


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    #341
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,296 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    RTE Prime Time Investigates falsely accused a priest of abuse of a child in Kenya, and ran into a costly ****storm.

    After that they signed up for a new code of conduct as to how they would handle undercover/hidden camera investigations. As part of this they need to gain written permission of the innocent parties (i.e., in this case the children and their parents/guardians) involved before broadcast, and these innocent parties have a degree of editorial control re blurring of faces, time of broadcast, and what platform(s) it's broadcast on.

    So I think people are being stupid with the 'rte is a a disgrace' attitude.


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    #342
    username123
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    Does anyone know if any of the creches featured in the program were open for business today?


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    #343
    mathie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭mathie


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/kenny-pledges-changes-to-childcare-sector-coming-595949.html

    "Meanwhile Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton says parents need to be more involved with creches to ensure their children are getting the best care possible."

    Not a government responsibility no?


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    #344
    mathie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭mathie


    Why are these creches getting government aid when they're making over a million a year in profits (Links) ?


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    #345
    chris85
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    mathie wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/kenny-pledges-changes-to-childcare-sector-coming-595949.html

    "Meanwhile Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton says parents need to be more involved with creches to ensure their children are getting the best care possible."

    Not a government responsibility no?

    Need to get full context of statement from here. On its own it deflects responsibility too much but if its part of a complete look at the system than its important parents are involved in the process.


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    #346
    username123
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    Heroditas wrote: »
    The Links and Giraffe ones featured in the programme certainly were.

    Wow - thats surprising. I wonder did many parents not leave their children there?


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    #347
    Ipso
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    mathie wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/kenny-pledges-changes-to-childcare-sector-coming-595949.html

    "Meanwhile Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton says parents need to be more involved with creches to ensure their children are getting the best care possible."

    Not a government responsibility no?

    Do Irish people expect the government to do everything?
    I find it amazing that people criticise the government at every turn, think they 're hopeless and corrupt but yet expect/trust them to look after their children.


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    #348
    Heroditas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    username123 wrote: »
    Wow - thats surprising. I wonder did many parents not leave their children there?


    I know a couple who have their child there and they have said they are happy with how their child has been treated and will continue to send her there.
    They also said that despite all the issues shown, none of the good stuff was shown.
    As a result, it may come across as sensationalist.
    In some ways I agree but I just don't like Giraffe anyway.


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    #349
    DeanAustin
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    Heroditas wrote: »
    I know a couple who have their child there and they have said they are happy with how their child has been treated and will continue to send her there.
    They also said that despite all the issues shown, none of the good stuff was shown.
    As a result, it may come across as sensationalist.
    In some ways I agree but I just don't like Giraffe anyway.

    I understand the point being made and think it has some credibility. If people think kids are being abused for 8-9 hours a day on the basis of what could, in some cases, be potentially just a weak moment for the people working at the creche is a bit unfair. They are human and, like parents, will sometimes have stupid moments. In isolation, I don't think everything shown last night was all that damaging to the kids.

    I also wouldn't criticise the couple you know for continuing to leave their child there but, for me, I don't care how good the good stuff is - if some of the bad stuff is happening, I wouldn't dream of sending my kid there.

    The kids strapped to the chairs was so horrible to watch and it seemed to be a routine method for dealing with the kids.


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    #350
    Lady Chatterton
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    Heroditas wrote: »
    I know a couple who have their child there and they have said they are happy with how their child has been treated and will continue to send her there.

    They also said that despite all the issues shown, none of the good stuff was shown.
    As a result, it may come across as sensationalist.
    In some ways I agree but I just don't like Giraffe anyway.

    I reckon that Giraffe could be the safest creche in Ireland from today because of all the scrutiny that's on them.


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    #351
    lee_baby_simms
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    MrsD007 wrote: »
    I reckon that Giraffe could be the safest creche in Ireland from today because of all the scrutiny that's on them.

    If I was working there I wouldn't feel one bit safe today.


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    #352
    Amalgam
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    I find the idea of the parents controlling future repeats rather odd, it isn't in RTE's previous form, in these matters. They've shown some very contentious documentaries previously, that made this one look very mild, in comparison.

    What caught my attention when all this was kicked up, is the investor links, via various companies managing the creches, to persons active and heading various facets of the Irish health service..


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    #353
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Heroditas wrote: »
    I know a couple who have their child there and they have said they are happy with how their child has been treated and will continue to send her there.
    They also said that despite all the issues shown, none of the good stuff was shown.
    As a result, it may come across as sensationalist.
    In some ways I agree but I just don't like Giraffe anyway.

    Unfortunately with a situation like this, good stuff is forgotten.

    Some of the footage was hugely emotionally disturbing, but I actually found the forged paperwork very disturbing also. Id hate to think that a book was just being filled with fabrications of what my child had done.

    Even if I felt my child was being treated well by staff in one of those creches I think that it would be somehow supporting bad management to keep a child there - not to say that there are not good individual workers - but even if some individuals are good, how have they lived with watching the bad practices without saying something? Particularly in that creche with the woman manhandling the children - although it is possible that that was done when she thought there was no one else present (im assuming the hidden camera was in a pair of glasses that were left on a shelf to film that particularly horrifying scene).


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    #354
    Inspector Dhar
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    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    Giraffe have some neck charging a grand a month for childcare. In all seriousness though that was grim viewing last night . Those creches were like factories its a sad state of affairs that so many people have to leave their kids in a place like that all day.


    This was the only post on this thread that brought a smile to my face.... .."Giraffe have some neck"


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    #355
    mathie
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    Ipso wrote: »
    Do Irish people expect the government to do everything?
    I find it amazing that people criticise the government at every turn, think they 're hopeless and corrupt but yet expect/trust them to look after their children.

    No I don't expect the government to do everything.

    But I do expect them to do the little things ... like you know ... regulate the childcare industry.


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    #356
    Cienciano
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    marxo wrote: »
    Just because you don't agree does not make it nonsensical. Why bother having children if they're going to be in a crèche for 7 or 8 hours of the day.

    Considering how expensive it is, the cost of petrol to commute to the crèche etc, I would like to know any couple who would be at a significant profit from their job and weigh that up against their child's happiness and wellbeing from being with their own parent.

    Someone also made a point about socialisation. Crèches are not the only place where children get socialised. Going to school at 4 or 5 is also ample opportunity to develop friendships.

    I'm also not trying to attack parents and understand how difficult it is, I just think they should have serious re thinks about whether their job is really worth their child's happiness.
    What a ridiclous post! "Why bother having children if you're going to send them to creche"!! Are you going to home school your kids too? Assuming you don't want to miss out on time with your kids.
    And what about people who have a mortgage to pay and won't give up their jobs? And "i'm not trying to attack" followed by you saying "should have serious re thinks about whether their job is really worth their child's happiness"! LOL! You're assuming that childcare equals unhappy child, and people are somehow putting themselves ahead of their children. But you're not trying to attack!
    That's like saying "no offence, but you're an asshole".


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    #357
    Mr E
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    PLEASE DO NOT POST DIRECT LINKS TO THE FILE (OR TO A .TORRENT FILE)

    The next person to do it gets a week off.


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    #358
    micks_address
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    What I find strange is how a lot of articles today are referring to 'emotional abuse' shown on the programme, but i would class the picking up of a child and flipping them over down onto a mat as actual physical abuse.. if you did that to an adult wouldnt it be classed as assault? I wonder will there be court cases arising from the footage? Im sure if your child was in the footage you would be feeling pretty angry towards the creche...


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    #359
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    micks_address wrote: »
    What I find strange is how a lot of articles today are referring to 'emotional abuse' shown on the programme, but i would class the picking up of a child and flipping them over down onto a mat as actual physical abuse.. if you did that to an adult wouldnt it be classed as assault? I wonder will there be court cases arising from the footage? Im sure if your child was in the footage you would be feeling pretty angry towards the creche...

    I agree.

    I notice in this article on thejournal.ie that Frances Fitzgerald saw "emotional abuse" - perhaps she needs to go to specsavers. She who hadnt even the manners to turn up for the panel after the show. Although the same article does say that the Guards are investigating 2 of the creches - so presumably that is for criminal charges. If I were a parent I would be pursuing a criminal assault charge for that women flipping children. Someone like that should not be in the care industry in any capacity. I would question whether that individual is capable of working with people at all. She certainly needs anger management and self control classes.


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    #360
    Heroditas
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    username123 wrote: »

    Even if I felt my child was being treated well by staff in one of those creches I think that it would be somehow supporting bad management to keep a child there - not to say that there are not good individual workers - but even if some individuals are good, how have they lived with watching the bad practices without saying something?


    That's exactly how I feel about it as well.


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    #361
    monkeybutter
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    MrsD007 wrote: »
    I reckon that Giraffe could be the safest creche in Ireland from today because of all the scrutiny that's on them.

    Giraffe pay their staff the worst, so what do you expect. They are coining it now due to the free year coming out of my taxes. Why would you leave your young children in the care of absolute strangers, thats the real question, it's about as loving as sending them off to boarding school.


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