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Should Cyclists Pay Road Tax

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    #92
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Has this thread been moved to the kindergarten forum on the QT?:confused:


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    #93
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    Eejits? That's a bit harsh.

    Anyway, you shouldn't be on the road. Foot-powered vehicles should be on the foot path, but I don't hold that against you, that's the government's fault I guess. :rolleyes:

    Idiot.

    Bikes have more of a right to the Roads than cars. Plus you do know that it's illegal to cycle or use any road vehicle on the foot paths, right?


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    #94
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    Please explain

    You need a licence to drive on our roads dumbass


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    #95
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    Please explain
    Everybody has the 'right' to use the road. Drivers are licensed for the 'privilege' of using motor powered vehicles on them.

    Seriously? You need this explained?


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    #96
    Stephen-mx3
    Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Stephen-mx3


    Seaneh wrote: »
    You are less than clueless.
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Idiot.

    Bikes have more of a right to the Roads than cars. Plus you do know that it's illegal to cycle or use any road vehicle on the foot paths, right?
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    You need a licence to drive on our roads dumbass

    Reported :rolleyes:


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    #97
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    rolliepoley wrote: »
    Inot the one getting wound up, i gave my opinion on this that that cyclists should have their bike mandatory chip to help the up keep of the cycle lanes your the one who is ranting and raving.
    Dude! Commas! That reads like you're dribbling!


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    #98
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    All of the above do not use our roads.

    Really, I crossed a good couple of roads today, I must have flown. There is a little kid right outside my house on the road on her bike. She is five I think.


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    #99
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    That is nearly as stupid as the op.
    Well done stupido!
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    The government want about five times as many people cycling as there currently are so I think that they're willing to improve cycling facilities without penalising cyclists.

    Another idiot!
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    OMG. This is so stupid! Do you want these cyclists to drive instead in rush hourand make traffic worse? Idiot. Plus cyclists cannot be charged to use the roads only motor vehicles can. Idiot.
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    OMG. You are a retard.
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/welcome.do;jsessionid=0aa0114830d7328b55281dfa46b2b6f38d10029c1def.e38PaNaSbhuOay0LaNqLe0

    Or just google motor tax.

    Retard
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Idiot.

    Bikes have more of a right to the Roads than cars. Plus you do know that it's illegal to cycle or use any road vehicle on the foot paths, right?
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    You need a licence to drive on our roads dumbass

    Mod

    Wow, you are an angry chap.

    Warned/infracted/banned. In that order.

    I don't know how cyclists v Motorists threads sometimes turn in to all out war.

    Can we keep it civil from here please.


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    #100
    Stephen-mx3
    Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Stephen-mx3


    Oh right, we're getting into sensationalism.

    I was just trying to convey an honest opinion, no need to be sarcastic. For people that primarily use the roads as an unavoidable service, there should be charges.


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    #101
    JerCotter7
    Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭JerCotter7


    Seaneh wrote: »
    I do pay to use the roads, everyone does, even pedestrians (shock horror!).

    Do you think motor tax actually covers the cost of providing and maintaining our transport infrastructure? Get a clue. Everyone, through every piece of tax they pay, contributes to the cost of our roads. Motorists contribute LESS through motor tax than the COST in damage.

    When they "pay their way" then get back to me, yeah? Sound.

    Now lie down peckle, you're getting fierce wound up about somehting you don't even understand.

    And smokers were another example (like motorists) of people who make choices which cost far more than they contribute and are then subsidised by the rest of us.

    Where did you see that motorists cost more than they pay in motor tax? Which is before the 50%+ of fuel costs that goes to the government.


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    #102
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    I was just trying to convey an honest opinion, no need to be sarcastic. For people that primarily use the roads as an unavoidable service, there should be charges.
    Taking that logic to the extreme cyclists should be paid to use the roads.

    Because cyclists use vehicles that do negligable damage to the road surface ( 4th power of axle loading, one HGV does more damage than 100,000,000 cyclists ) and more importantly by reducing the number of cars / buses on the road they actually cause reduce the overall damage done. Similar story with parking.

    Car parking meters break even wrt to repairs to pavements caused by illegal parking/kerbing.




    Remember when held up by a cyclist that every cyclist you see would otherwise mean another car on the road and so you'd be another 10 -30m further back


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    #103
    Stephen-mx3
    Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Stephen-mx3


    But every single HGV on the road is a neccesity


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    #104
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    But every single HGV on the road is a neccesity
    They only became so because we ripped up our extensive rail network. We don't do infrastructure well here.


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    #105
    Chips Lovell
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    I'm cool with it as long as pedestrians have to pay a footpath tax. Those feckers get all that free infrastructure for nothing.


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    #106
    Stephen-mx3
    Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Stephen-mx3


    endacl wrote: »
    They only became so because we ripped up our extensive rail network. We don't do infrastructure well here.

    Agree, but those are the cards we've been dealt.

    Also, currently, HGV drivers/companies pay infinite times as much as cyclists in road tax


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    #107
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    I'm cool with it as long as pedestrians have to pay a footpath tax. Those feckers get all that free infrastructure for nothing.
    And an arse tax for sitting on a bench in Stephen's Green.


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    #108
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    Reported :rolleyes:

    Why was my post reported...

    You are less than clueless.


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    #109
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    Agree, but those are the cards we've been dealt.

    Also, currently, HGV drivers/companies pay infinite times as much as cyclists in road tax
    Motor tax? Nobody pays a penny in road tax...

    Mods, could 'road tax' please be added to the list of banned phrases? It would shorten these daft threads.


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    #110
    DanWall
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    They should pay insurance in case they scratch my car whilst sneaking up the inside curb


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    #111
    A0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 666 ✭✭✭A0


    stephen97 wrote: »
    i say yes, motorcyclists have to pay and receive no benefits in terms of parking, bus lanes. but cyclists get cycle lanes and parking places without contributing

    I say no.


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    #112
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    DanWall wrote: »
    They should pay insurance in case they scratch my car whilst sneaking up the inside curb
    You should leave space. For the other road users. That's what I do when I'm driving. I appreciate it when I'm cycling.


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    #113
    Aineoil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    I don't think that cyclists should pay motor tax because they do take cars off the road and they don't add to pollution.

    I don't have the option to cycle to work as I have a round trip of 90 kms a day. Sometimes people in cars are mean to cyclists. I think the bottom line is that we need to respect all road users - pedestrians, cyclists and motorists.
    I hate having to pay road tax but it's life.

    In one way I would argue that we should stop the begrudgery - ok I pay road tax because I drive a car but why inflict that on cyclists and pedestrians.

    Just a question, do they charge cyclists in any other country?


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    #114
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Aineoil wrote: »
    I don't have the option to cycle to work as I have a round trip of 90 kms a day.
    Yeah you do. You're just lazy!

    :D


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    #115
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    Agree, but those are the cards we've been dealt.

    Also, currently, HGV drivers/companies pay infinite times as much as cyclists in road tax

    Nobody pays road tax, everyone pays tax, some of which is put towards the roads though.


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    #116
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Nobody pays road tax, everyone pays tax, some of which is put towards the roads though.
    I believe Bono doesn't! I read about it on d'internet.


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    #117
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Stephen-mx3 wrote: »
    But every single HGV on the road is a neccesity
    No they aren't.

    They should only be used on motorways / ports / industrial areas / distribution centres. Local deliveries in other areas should be by smaller vehicles.

    Look at the way the tonnage has crept up over the years, including the supertrucks and port tunnel. Even for a long time afterwards the only tall trucks I saw were ones with the top section looking like it was riveted on as an afterthought.

    A lot of the stuff in those trucks is excess packaging much of which only exists for marketing purposes.


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    #118
    irish bloke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    Katunga wrote: »
    as due to the weight of a bicycle does not cause any ware to the roads. I say this as a motorist.

    Are you sure abt that??


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    #119
    Aineoil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    endacl wrote: »
    Yeah you do. You're just lazy!

    :D

    I am up at six as it is!!! Yeah you know I am lazy!;) :D


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    #120
    stephen97
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 202 ✭✭stephen97


    irish bloke wrote: »
    Are you sure abt that??
    omg where is the saddle? :)


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    #121
    Odysseus
    Registered Users Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    No, they don't.

    They do pay tax, what makes you think motorbikes owner do not pay motor tax?

    I wish we didn't, but we do.


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