Should Cyclists Pay Road Tax

Seaneh

HurtLocker wrote: »

Maybe something small like €5 a year to cycle during rush hour in city's and issue registrations plates to bikes cycling during these hours and streets to report dangerous cycling such as red light breaking.

What would be easier and cheaper for the state would be to just properly police the current laws.

Knasher

rolliepoley wrote: »

If your push bike and you can be identifed it would stop most of the Lawlessness.

The majority of motorists admit to speeding. Even though they all have number plates and the police regularly sit around trying to catch them as well as setting up speeding cameras.

Why do you think cyclists would be any different?

endacl

rolliepoley wrote: »

The government need money to help do this so i think you should help by paying your way.

The vast majority of regular posters to the cycling forum, as an example, do pay their way. By paying motor tax for their cars.

Seaneh

rolliepoley wrote: »

The government need money to help do this so i think you should help by paying your way.

When the motor tax you pay actually generates enough money to cover the cost of repairing the damage that your car does to the road, then you will have a leg to stand on with that argument.

I do pay my way, I pay tax on my income, I pay vat on all goods I buy, I pay levies on other services I am provided by the state. We all pay our way, some of us (motorists) are actually costing more than we pay.

ezra_pound

scudzilla wrote: »

I do think that cyclists should have to have some kind of Insurance

That is nearly as stupid as the op.
Well done stupido!

keith16

rolliepoley wrote: »

The government need money to help do this so i think you should help by paying your way.

AH HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Turtyturd

Seaneh wrote: »

You mean the shared bus and cycle lane?

Why shouldn't cyclists use the middle of the lane?


If you can't pass a cyclist because he is in the middle of the lane, then you cannot safely pass the cyclist while staying in the lane at all, it's that ****ing simple. You are required to give cyclists 1.5meters of space when overtaking them. There is no way in the world a bus can safely overtake a cyclist in a shared lane without exiting the lane and re-entering it.

Did I say shared bus and cycle lane?

ezra_pound

rolliepoley wrote: »

The government need money to help do this so i think you should help by paying your way.

The government want about five times as many people cycling as there currently are so I think that they're willing to improve cycling facilities without penalising cyclists.

Another idiot!

Seaneh

Turtyturd wrote: »

Did I say shared bus and cycle lane?

They are practically all shared bus and cycle lanes, genius.

Icyseanfitz

As in all these threads this needs to be postedy

ezra_pound

HurtLocker wrote: »

Maybe something small like €5 a year to cycle during rush hour in city's and issue registrations plates to bikes cycling during these hours and streets to report dangerous cycling such as red light breaking.

OMG. This is so stupid! Do you want these cyclists to drive instead in rush hourand make traffic worse? Idiot. Plus cyclists cannot be charged to use the roads only motor vehicles can. Idiot.

ezra_pound

rolliepoley wrote: »

I dont drive so i think i can stand on my own to feet and i also pay my taxes,
There is more and more people ever before using push bikes all looking for a free ride on everybodys else's back, you dont get nothing for free in this world and if ya want to keep using that push bike your going to have to pay you way.

Explain please.

Turtyturd

Seaneh wrote: »

They are practically all shared bus and cycle lanes, genius.

There are several areas which have bus lanes and cycle lanes separated at sections...good to see you have the cyclist w*nker attitude down genius.:rolleyes:

ThisRegard

We need an idiot tax, and to solve all our financial woes revenue should start with running the query endacl kindly provided and they'll handily have the majority gathered all in the one place.

Seaneh

rolliepoley wrote: »

I dont drive so i think i can stand on my own to feet and i also pay my taxes,
There is more and more people ever before using push bikes all looking for a free ride on everybodys else's back, you dont get nothing for free in this world and if ya want to keep using that push bike your going to have to pay you way.

See, I do pay my way.

cyclists pay VAT on their bike and accessories. This, along with your incom tax, vat, government levys etc.

Cyclists offer far more value for money to the government than motorists do.


Cyclists do not damage road surfaces, motorists do. Motorists even cause more €'s in damages than they pay in motor tax.

So before you start pontificating about people paying their way, target the people who actually cost the most, when motorists pay enough to cover the damage they do and smokers pay enough to cover the cost of treating their diseases, then you can target cyclists for costing the government pennies per head for terribly "designed" cycle paths and pointless broken white lines in the middle of a shared bus and cycle lane.

Jimoslimos

Turtyturd wrote: »

There are several areas which have bus lanes and cycle lanes separated at sections...good to see you have the cyclist w*nker attitude down genius.:rolleyes:

Any figures on what percentage of total road distance in the country have these lanes?

seanin4711

i do already! why would i be double taxed?
http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/article/twitter-inspires-i-pay-road-tax-cycling-jersey-24023/1

no thanks!

Seaneh

Turtyturd wrote: »

There are several areas which have bus lanes and cycle lanes separated at sections...good to see you have the cyclist w*nker attitude down genius.:rolleyes:

Give me an example so.

G'wan, give me 5 examples of roads with seperate bus and cycle lanes?

RoundBox11

No. As stated already, bicycles reduce congestion and pollution.

Also, they dont cause damage to the road surfaces so reduce the costs of maintaining the roads.

Tonyandthewhale

rolliepoley wrote: »

I dont drive so i think i can stand on my own to feet and i also pay my taxes,
There is more and more people ever before using push bikes all looking for a free ride on everybodys else's back, you dont get nothing for free in this world and if ya want to keep using that push bike your going to have to pay you way.

But the use of bicycles saves a huge amount of money, so what exactly are cyclists supposed to pay?

Do you honestly think the cost of painting a few lines on roads for cycle-lanes costs more than the reduced wear and tear on the road from fewer cars, the reduced health-care costs from a healthier, more active populace, the improved balance of trade due to the reduction in oil imports, the reduced congestion, reduced air and noise pollution and all the other benefits associated with increased rates of cycling.

As for requiring cyclists to have insurance as someone mentioned a while back, that'd be hugely counter productive because the more people cycling the fewer people you'll have dying in traffic accidents and of things like heart disease and diabetes. Imposing a mandatory insurance scheme on cyclists would discourage cycling which would in turn increase mortality rates as well as the cost of health and motor insurance and you'd have to create a whole raft of regulation and registration for cyclists and their bikes which would cost the tax-payer money and waste precious garda resources.

Seaneh

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgCqz3l33kU

As in all these threads this needs to be postedy

FYP

Damokc

Could somebody link the post where it says "It's not road tax, it's motor tax"

ezra_pound

Damokc wrote: »

Could somebody link the post where it says "It's not road tax, it's motor tax"

OMG. You are a retard.

endacl

rolliepoley wrote: »

I dont drive so i think i can stand on my own to feet and i also pay my taxes,
There is more and more people ever before using push bikes all looking for a free ride on everybodys else's back, you dont get nothing for free in this world and if ya want to keep using that push bike your going to have to pay you way.

Sorry. I held off as long as a could. Here's some commas and stuff. Use them well. Use them wisely. I'll be able to take your posts seriously then.



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ezra_pound

Damokc wrote: »

Could somebody link the post where it says "It's not road tax, it's motor tax"

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/welcome.do;jsessionid=0aa0114830d7328b55281dfa46b2b6f38d10029c1def.e38PaNaSbhuOay0LaNqLe0

Or just google motor tax.

Retard

Seaneh

rolliepoley wrote: »

Pontificating...what the **** do smokers have to do with motor tax. listen if you want to use the road your going to have to pay to use it just like everybody else one way or another this goverment is going to suck it from you.

I do pay to use the roads, everyone does, even pedestrians (shock horror!).

Do you think motor tax actually covers the cost of providing and maintaining our transport infrastructure? Get a clue. Everyone, through every piece of tax they pay, contributes to the cost of our roads. Motorists contribute LESS through motor tax than the COST in damage.

When they "pay their way" then get back to me, yeah? Sound.

Now lie down peckle, you're getting fierce wound up about somehting you don't even understand.

And smokers were another example (like motorists) of people who make choices which cost far more than they contribute and are then subsidised by the rest of us.

Stephen-mx3

Cyclists should absolutely pay road tax. They use the road as much as real drivers.

It's like daylight robbery that lot not paying it

Knasher

rolliepoley wrote: »

Pontificating...what the **** do smokers have to do with motor tax. listen if you want to use the road your going to have to pay to use it just like everybody else one way or another this goverment is going to suck it from you.

I do pay to use it. Just like everybody else.

endacl

Stephen-mx3 wrote: »

Cyclists should absolutely pay road tax. They use the road as much as real drivers.

It's like daylight robbery that lot not paying it

As a 'real driver' who cycles..... what's your point?

ezra_pound

Stephen-mx3 wrote: »

Cyclists should absolutely pay road tax. They use the road as much as real drivers.

It's like daylight robbery that lot not paying it

And those eejits in cars use roads nearly as much as real cyclists.

endacl

rolliepoley wrote: »

nobody aksed asked you to take anything seriously.
:rolleyes:

FYP No charge.

Stephen-mx3

endacl wrote: »

As a 'real driver' who cycles..... what's your point?

I thought I made my point?

jam_mac_jam

Should pedestrians? How about little kids on trikes and their bikes, should they also pay?

Seaneh

rolliepoley wrote: »

nobody aksed you to take anything seriously.
:rolleyes:

Good, because your posts are like really bad comedy.

Stephen-mx3

ezra_pound wrote: »

And those eejits in cars use roads nearly as much as real cyclists.

Eejits? That's a bit harsh.

Anyway, you shouldn't be on the road. Foot-powered vehicles should be on the foot path, but I don't hold that against you, that's the government's fault I guess. :rolleyes:

ezra_pound

Stephen-mx3 wrote: »

Cyclists should absolutely pay road tax. They use the road as much as real drivers.

It's like daylight robbery that lot not paying it

Well we have more of a legal right to use those roads than drivers so there. Na na Nana na

Stephen-mx3

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Should pedestrians? How about little kids on trikes and their bikes, should they also pay?

All of the above do not use our roads.

Seaneh

Stephen-mx3 wrote: »

Eejits? That's a bit harsh.

Anyway, you shouldn't be on the road. Foot-powered vehicles should be on the foot path, but I don't hold that against you, that's the government's fault I guess. :rolleyes:

You are less than clueless.

endacl

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Should pedestrians?

Absolutely. By shoe size times weight.

Stephen-mx3

ezra_pound wrote: »

Well we have more of a legal right to use those roads than drivers so there. Na na Nana na

Please explain

ezra_pound

Stephen-mx3 wrote: »

Eejits? That's a bit harsh.

Anyway, you shouldn't be on the road. Foot-powered vehicles should be on the foot path, but I don't hold that against you, that's the government's fault I guess. :rolleyes:

Idiot.

Bikes have more of a right to the Roads than cars. Plus you do know that it's illegal to cycle or use any road vehicle on the foot paths, right?

The Backwards Man

Has this thread been moved to the kindergarten forum on the QT?

ezra_pound

Stephen-mx3 wrote: »

Please explain

You need a licence to drive on our roads dumbass

endacl

Stephen-mx3 wrote: »

Please explain

Everybody has the 'right' to use the road. Drivers are licensed for the 'privilege' of using motor powered vehicles on them.

Seriously? You need this explained?

Stephen-mx3

Seaneh wrote: »

You are less than clueless.

ezra_pound wrote: »

Idiot.

Bikes have more of a right to the Roads than cars. Plus you do know that it's illegal to cycle or use any road vehicle on the foot paths, right?

ezra_pound wrote: »

You need a licence to drive on our roads dumbass

Reported :rolleyes:

endacl

rolliepoley wrote: »

Inot the one getting wound up, i gave my opinion on this that that cyclists should have their bike mandatory chip to help the up keep of the cycle lanes your the one who is ranting and raving.

Dude! Commas! That reads like you're dribbling!

jam_mac_jam

Stephen-mx3 wrote: »

All of the above do not use our roads.

Really, I crossed a good couple of roads today, I must have flown. There is a little kid right outside my house on the road on her bike. She is five I think.

Micky Dolenz

ezra_pound wrote: »

That is nearly as stupid as the op.
Well done stupido!

ezra_pound wrote: »

The government want about five times as many people cycling as there currently are so I think that they're willing to improve cycling facilities without penalising cyclists.

Another idiot!

ezra_pound wrote: »

OMG. This is so stupid! Do you want these cyclists to drive instead in rush hourand make traffic worse? Idiot. Plus cyclists cannot be charged to use the roads only motor vehicles can. Idiot.

ezra_pound wrote: »

OMG. You are a retard.

ezra_pound wrote: »

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/welcome.do;jsessionid=0aa0114830d7328b55281dfa46b2b6f38d10029c1def.e38PaNaSbhuOay0LaNqLe0

Or just google motor tax.

Retard

ezra_pound wrote: »

Idiot.

Bikes have more of a right to the Roads than cars. Plus you do know that it's illegal to cycle or use any road vehicle on the foot paths, right?

ezra_pound wrote: »

You need a licence to drive on our roads dumbass

Mod

Wow, you are an angry chap.

Warned/infracted/banned. In that order.

I don't know how cyclists v Motorists threads sometimes turn in to all out war.

Can we keep it civil from here please.

Stephen-mx3

Oh right, we're getting into sensationalism.

I was just trying to convey an honest opinion, no need to be sarcastic. For people that primarily use the roads as an unavoidable service, there should be charges.

JerCotter7

Seaneh wrote: »

I do pay to use the roads, everyone does, even pedestrians (shock horror!).

Do you think motor tax actually covers the cost of providing and maintaining our transport infrastructure? Get a clue. Everyone, through every piece of tax they pay, contributes to the cost of our roads. Motorists contribute LESS through motor tax than the COST in damage.

When they "pay their way" then get back to me, yeah? Sound.

Now lie down peckle, you're getting fierce wound up about somehting you don't even understand.

And smokers were another example (like motorists) of people who make choices which cost far more than they contribute and are then subsidised by the rest of us.

Where did you see that motorists cost more than they pay in motor tax? Which is before the 50%+ of fuel costs that goes to the government.