New Wexford 2 Day August 17th -18th

michael196

If you enjoyed the Frank O Rourke and you fancy a two day in august, promoted by the same Wexford Wheelers Club that brought you the Frank O Rourke, keep an eye on here.

If you trust the club who brought you the Frank O Rourke, to bring you on another organised and safe route, non circuit: then keep reading.


As this is a new promotion for this club, we have not yet defined the race Route.

A re-use of the Frank O Rourke is a possibility, but a stronger proposition is to bring you on one huge circuit.

You all might feel like guinea pigs by August, from circular races, so our aim is one long, non repeating route.


Our Current Aim is A2/A3, A4. Interested in your opinion on that. I Resources permit, a one off underage might be possible.

The structure regarding Criterium / time trial/ race is not yet defined.


Gives us your ideas, your wishes.

There are excellent south Wicklow hills nearby, however a transfer would be needed to the start.


Let us hear from you: for the Wexford Wheelers 2 day.

wav1

Michael.the very best of luck with the event as its fantastic to see a new stage race come on board.The organisation last week was great and that will stand to you in attracting riders to this.
I dont want to rain on your parade in any way,but I think its quite possible that you may have to exclude the A3 and Junior riders from the race as Sun 18th is the Nat Road Race Championships for these categories.Im sure there are a lot of A3 riders who have no intention of making the trip up to Omagh for the champs and would welcome your event.Its just possible I think that Cycling Ireland wont allow an event for these cats on the same day as the champs.I may be wrong,but I do feel that this will be the case,so I would recomend that you get clarity on it from them before you actually plan for the A3s in the event.Cheers Wav

michael196

wav1 wrote: »

Michael.the very best of luck with the event as its fantastic to see a new stage race come on board.The organisation last week was great and that will stand to you in attracting riders to this.
I dont want to rain on your parade in any way,but I think its quite possible that you may have to exclude the A3 and Junior riders from the race as Sun 18th is the Nat Road Race Championships for these categories.Im sure there are a lot of A3 riders who have no intention of making the trip up to Omagh for the champs and would welcome your event.Its just possible I think that Cycling Ireland wont allow an event for these cats on the same day as the champs.I may be wrong,but I do feel that this will be the case,so I would recomend that you get clarity on it from them before you actually plan for the A3s in the event.Cheers Wav

Hi Wav


the original submission to CI included A1-A4. Perhaps did not include underage.

Was hoping for more than a 'great' rating on the organisation !!! C'mon Wav !!


Have u dismantled the carrier yet ?

wav1

michael196 wrote: »

Hi Wav


the original submission to CI included A1-A4. Perhaps did not include underage.

Was hoping for more than a 'great' rating on the organisation !!! C'mon Wav !!


Have u dismantled the carrier yet ?

Michael think you may have misunderstood my post?
You'll have no problem running u/age
The problem may be that you might not be allowed have the event open to A3s.
If I was you [and im not ] I would open the race to the A1s as they are the ones who are crying out for events at that stage of the season.Bit like the Suir Valley [all in together]?

michael196

wav1 wrote: »

Michael think you may have misunderstood my post?
You'll have no problem running u/age
The problem may be that you might not be allowed have the event open to A3s.
If I was you [and im not ] I would open the race to the A1s as they are the ones who are crying out for events at that stage of the season.Bit like the Suir Valley [all in together]?

what do u mean Suir Vally all in together ?

MichealD

Agree with Wav. Think you will great difficulty getting CI to agree to an A3 race on the day of the A3 National Champs.

Presuming you find an alternate weekend a two day stage race taking in the Frank O'Rourke circuit and the Eddie Tobin race circuit with a short TT would be some tough event. These are two deceptively hard courses that would seriously test A1/2s.

michael196

MichealD wrote: »

Agree with Wav. Think you will great difficulty getting CI to agree to an A3 race on the day of the A3 National Champs.

Presuming you find an alternate weekend a two day stage race taking in the Frank O'Rourke circuit and the Eddie Tobin race circuit with a short TT would be some tough event. These are two deceptively hard courses that would seriously test A1/2s.

CI already agreed to A3, way back in October 2012, when the race was first submitted, as per CI procedure.

Not every A3 in the country will attend the national champs.


Yes, the Eddie Tobin combined with the Frank O Rourke, with added laps sounds about the right level of torture, and can still be considered, but a key objective, if practicable, is to remove the circuit nature of the 2 day.


Removing the circular nature presents quite a challenge to the club, in terms of resources, however that remains our aim.


As said. all up for discussion and input from anyone here. All suggestions welcome.


Distances: restricted to 80 K for the A4, A3 should then potentially ramp to 120K similar for A2. IF A1 come in: then we climb to 150K or so for A1/A2.

Arthurdaly

The camross race was excellent and really enjoyed the circuit. The one comment I would have is that I don't remember seeing any throphies? I for one would prefer a trophy to recieving a envelope with money and that applies to most races.

My first thoughts when looking at the calendar was, Great there is a two day in Aug but then noticed the A3 national champs were on the sunday. It would be very close as to which one I would attend and I think it will detract from your numbers.

A non circuit route would be excellent and it would be even better if you managed to get the race up fort mountain?

In terms of the TT it would be nice to see a slightly longer TT than those in current races, maybe 10km. If you could get the race up some decent hills then maybe that would compensate for the distance in the TT.

The Crunch

Arthurdaly wrote: »

The camross race was excellent and really enjoyed the circuit. The one comment I would have is that I don't remember seeing any throphies? I for one would prefer a trophy to recieving a envelope with money and that applies to most races.

My first thoughts when looking at the calendar was, Great there is a two day in Aug but then noticed the A3 national champs were on the sunday. It would be very close as to which one I would attend and I think it will detract from your numbers.

A non circuit route would be excellent and it would be even better if you managed to get the race up fort mountain?

In terms of the TT it would be nice to see a slightly longer TT than those in current races, maybe 10km. If you could get the race up some decent hills then maybe that would compensate for the distance in the TT.

Of course, lots of A3s aren't eligible to ride the A3 Champs.
I'd love this. It's been a long time since there was a Wexford 2-Day.

Arthurdaly

The Crunch wrote: »

Of course, lots of A3s aren't eligible to ride the A3 Champs.
I'd love this. It's been a long time since there was a Wexford 2-Day.

Didn't realise there are specific criteria to ride the A3 champs? Yes, august in the sunny south east for a two day would be great!

fondriest

Arthurdaly wrote: »

Didn't realise there are specific criteria to ride the A3 champs? Yes, august in the sunny south east for a two day would be great!

An A3 with "vet" on their licence can not ride the A3 champs .

wav1

Arthurdaly wrote: »

Didn't realise there are specific criteria to ride the A3 champs? Yes, august in the sunny south east for a two day would be great!

Yes its really great to have a new two day in that part of the country,but as i said get clarity pronto re the A3s.

As regards criteria for entering A3 champs.There are none.
Every A3 licence holder in the country is eligible to enter.Possible problem is the maximum rider size up North.

wav1

fondriest wrote: »

An A3 with "vet" on their licence can not ride the A3 champs .

You are quite correct my friend.Forgot about that one.

Pawlie

Personally I think 2 good long stages 100km+ (non loop/no TT) would be cool.

Hope you get something going no matter what.

leopard trek

Was hoping that you would be running a two day event also for underage, I know you don't get many with the frank o rourke but that's because of the kanturk 3 day. You'd get more people if you ran the two days.

wav1

leopard trek wrote: »

Was hoping that you would be running a two day event also for underage, I know you don't get many with the frank o rourke but that's because of the kanturk 3 day. You'd get more people if you ran the two days.

Disagree with this one leopard trek.The nat youth champs are in Enniscorthy the following weekend and they will all be geared towards that one.Basically the parents would have to fork out 2 w/ends in a row and I cant see it happening at that time of the year.Theres already a 2 day youth race scheduled for Arklow are in mid July.

Arthurdaly

leopard trek wrote: »

I know you don't get many with the frank o rourke but that's because of the kanturk 3 day.

You there this year? Pretty decent numbers in the A4 anyways.

1750W

Races very thin on the ground for a1. Would live to race it!

J Madone

1750W wrote: »

Races very thin on the ground for a1. Would live to race it!

Heard the Elliott is on tomorrow !

michael196

Arthurdaly wrote: »

You there this year? Pretty decent numbers in the A4 anyways.

Arthur the OP is referring to few underage present . Particularily U 14

michael196

Lads

great to hear the feedback please keep ur comments coming in. We are at the pre-design stage and all is up for grabs.

Let me cover a few points already Aired:

An A3 will run irrespective of the nat champs. We submitted A1-A4 originally, which CI granted, not on our chosen date, but in their wisdom to permit our A3 on the same date as nat champs: , therein We trust in the wisdom of CI ..... !!


Underage numbers were low, for the Frank O Rourke, but Wexford will always incorporate [EMAIL="U@nderage"]Underage[/EMAIL].

At submission underage was considered and entered. : up for decision and discussion.


Forth mountain is a possibility . Or a similar hill.


Time trial routes are numerous, due to a large network of local national routes ( Wexford- Rosslare, New ross enniscorthy, all hard shoulders, we are spoilt for choice here for TT routes, anything up to 5o K


2 longer stages was my initial thinking of the structure.

We did get criticised last year for dropping the A1 from the Frank O Rourke, however in 2013 we attracted 31 into A1-A2, for which we had 12 prizes. That's a high A1/A2 prize proportion, per race, and I would envisage the amount of a1/A2 prizes will drop for 2014, not the value just the amount of prizes.


We will redesign our prizes to reflect the field: the category with the most riders gets the most prizes in value.

For future races the prize fund will be determined on the morning by the number that turn up. Higher number , higher monetary value in prizes.


We have tentative sponsorship at this stage.


As said the consultative process is in progress.


@ Paulie We will get organised.

@ Paulie: Dunno if u did Taghmon - Roubaix last year, but we are planning to go ahead this year, and in addition a Team time trial is planned for end of July, similar to last year.

fondriest

@ Paulie: Dunno if u did Taghmon - Roubaix last year, but we are planning to go ahead this year, and in addition a Team time trial is planned for end of July, similar to last year.

Taghmon - roubaix race was brilliant craic last year .

Pawlie

michael196 wrote: »

@ Paulie: Dunno if u did Taghmon - Roubaix last year, but we are planning to go ahead this year, and in addition a Team time trial is planned for end of July, similar to last year.

I didnt race last year,only racing since Feb,the Ned Flanagan was was first day out,

Really looking forward to whatever ye put on lads (2 long stages my prev )

chakattack

Feedback...

Short hilly/technical TT and 2 long road stages please

Flat hard shoulder stuff gives too much advantage to those with a full TT setup.

michael196

Wexford Wheelers 2 day is taking shape. Following a committee meeting tonight, the Wexford Wheelers 2 day moves into the preparation stage.


The basic structure of the 2 day is coming together.


Looks Like combined A2/A3 and A4 separate.


1 shorter circuit followed by Technical hill climb TT followed by longer stage race on the sunday. No Criterium.


Watch www.wexfordwheelers.com only for current updates.


No current posting regarding the 2 day on the wheelers site at the moment.


Online sign will be in place.


Numbers initially limited, so sign on early.


The Wexford 2 day is a re-instatement of the original wexford 2 day, which predates my time in the club.


The event will feature , close to town race activities ( start / finish ) Neutralised starts.


Please come and support the 2 day, in order to secure the race future.

buffalo

I presume that's supposed to be combined A2/A3?

michael196

Correct Combined A2/A3

harringtonp

Any strava, garmin or mapmyride type link to the potential stages ?

Tx

RockWerchter

The hill climb will probably be on one of these climbs (apart from the one at the start) http://app.strava.com/activities/53460931

Darkglasses

RockWerchter wrote: »

The hill climb will probably be on one of these climbs (apart from the one at the start) http://app.strava.com/activities/53460931

The one up from Mother Hubbard's I'd say, best road surface and plenty of space at the start.

RockWerchter

That was the usual one alright, hoping for something shorter and steeper, the flat bit over to concord neutralises that climb a bit.

fondriest

Darkglasses wrote: »

The one up from Mother Hubbard's I'd say, best road surface and plenty of space at the start.

But ballindinas is fun !

Darkglasses

fondriest wrote: »

But ballindinas is fun !

I bet it is fun when you have the KOM!

fondriest

Darkglasses wrote: »

I bet it is fun when you have the KOM!

That'll be short lived enough I'd say !

harringtonp

RockWerchter wrote: »

The hill climb will probably be on one of these climbs (apart from the one at the start) http://app.strava.com/activities/53460931

Anything on the race stages ?

Tx

michael196

harringtonp wrote: »

Any strava, garmin or mapmyride type link to the potential stages ?

Tx

On the Ras circuit at the moment. Will post the known routes once they are completed. Frank o O'Rourke may form one stage. Second stage is a new circuit in development.

Will get back tou next week. Following team Wexford, voicegrid in the Ras.

Concorde maybe included as the time trial.

carbonhead

With regards to an underage race on those dates - the final of the interprovincial league is on August 18th

rurs

Any news on when entries will be accepted? I need to book accommodation, but not before I have a place in the race

michael196

rurs wrote: »

Any news on when entries will be accepted? I need to book accommodation, but not before I have a place in the race

bear with us.

The A3 participation is now resolved with Cycling Ireland.

CI : :mad::mad::(:(:eek::eek::eek: Eventually :rolleyes::o;) and then


We are open to A2/A3 and A4 and we will run an under 16 on the saturday stage.


Stage 1 is a shorter Frank O Rourke, cutting all classes by approx 20% in distance.

Stage 2 is a short hill climb time trial, finishng at Concorde. We will keep the start under wraps for the moment !!!.


Stage 3 is a longer circuit. two close by hills on a circuit. It is a figure of eight circuit totaling some 37 km to complete. So you get to go around twice or four (!!) times depending on your class. This circuit was introduced to me recently, was then reviewed and risk assessed and will be finalised.


Stage 1 for the underage is not fully resolved.


Headquaters is the Maldron Hotel in Wexford, so go ahead with a booking.



Bear with us !!

CramCycle

michael196 wrote: »

We are open to A2/A3 and A4 and we will run an under 16 on the saturday stage.

Thank you for this, can't wait for it.

That said, racing with A2s as a fairly slow A3 rider, my excitement is slowly turning to fear, see you then,

If you could put up a post when entries are open or will they all be on the day?

Pawlie

michael196 wrote: »

Stage 3 is a longer circuit. two close by hills on a circuit. It is a figure of eight circuit totaling some 37 km to complete. So you get to go around twice or four (!!) times depending on your class. This circuit was introduced to me recently, was then reviewed and risk assessed and will be finalised.

Yes boy,4 laps * 37km on last stage

smurphy29

Superb, hopefully will be my first stage race. Great to have a stage race with a separate A4 race I must say, and the parcours sounds fantastic.

Any word on how/where one enters?

michael196

chakattack wrote: »

Feedback...

Short hilly/technical TT and 2 long road stages please

Flat hard shoulder stuff gives too much advantage to those with a full TT setup.

Granted. the guideline was shorter flatter , time trial followed by longer hillier.

Pawlie

smurphy29 wrote: »

Superb, hopefully will be my first stage race. Great to have a stage race with a separate A4 race I must say, and the parcours sounds fantastic.

Any word on how/where one enters?

Did you do the cork man a4 3 dayer down in kanturk man

smurphy29

I didn't, I was at the Frank O'Rourke that weekend. I believe it was a great race though.

Pawlie

smurphy29 wrote: »

I didn't, I was at the Frank O'Rourke that weekend. I believe it was a great race though.

cant beat stage races in any cat lad

I cant wait for the 148km last stage

fondriest

Pawlie wrote: »

cant beat stage races in any cat lad

I cant wait for the 148km last stage

That's sounds pretty cool alright . I've never raced over that kind of distance .

smurphy29

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. I can't make Charleville, so this will be something approaching a season finale I guess.

Pawlie

fondriest wrote: »

That's sounds pretty cool alright . I've never raced over that kind of distance .

Cant wait to check the route out for it,hopefully some good climbs on it too

fondriest

I've a fair idea what the last stage is and it's a doozie . The climb to the Concorde for stage 2 is fairly tough in any direction so should be good to .

leopard trek

Stage 1 for the underage is not



Bear with us !![/QUOTE]

Does this mean its a two day?