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abff

Diego Tristan wrote: »

Harrington paid for his missed cut this weekend. Ends the week 103rd in the rankings, so his Fedex Cup stops here. Rory the only Irish interest left in the remaining 100.

All he needed to do was make the cut. Even if he'd finished last of those making the cut, he would have been in the top 100. If he hadn't had those dropped shots at the end of the Open, he also would have made it.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Not sure where he goes from here, but at least he has his PGA Tour card for the next two seasons, so he's in a lot better position than he was this time last year.

vienne86

Delighted for Jason Day - love the guy!

Mantis Toboggan

When is the deutche bank starting?

MUFC91CS

Dennis Reynolds wrote: »

When is the deutche bank starting?

Tomorrow. It runs from Friday-Monday. Something to do with Labor Day I think.

Mantis Toboggan

MUFC91CS wrote: »

Tomorrow. It runs from Friday-Monday. Something to do with Labor Day I think.

Ah ok, thanks.

abff

Just out of interest (and having nothing better to do with my time), I had a look at what results would be required by the top three in the world rankings in order to be ranked number 1 at the end of this week.

If they all miss the cut, Jordan Spieth will go back to number 1 and Rory will go down to number 2 due to the fact that Rory's divisor goes up from 44 to 45.

If Jason Day wins this week, he will go to number 1 unless Spieth finishes solo second or in a two way tie for second or McIlroy finishes solo second. If Day finishes solo second, he can move up to number 2 in the rankings if McIlroy finishes worse than 21st.

Rory needs to finish in the top ten and ahead of Spieth to retain the number 1 spot. If he wins, he's guaranteed to be number 1. If he finishes solo second, he will go to number 1 unless Spieth wins.

Assuming Day doesn't win, the result needed by Spieth in order to stay at number 1 assuming a top ten finish by Rory are as follows:

Rory Jordan
3rd 2nd
4th T6th/7th
5th 12th
6th 20th
7th 27th
8th 49th
9th 58th
10th 58th

mickmackey1

So even if Spieth misses the cut, he can go to no.1 if Rory finishes, say 12th?

vienne86

abff wrote: »

Just out of interest (and having nothing better to do with my time), I had a look at what results would be required by the top three in the world rankings in order to be ranked number 1 at the end of this week.

If they all miss the cut, Jordan Spieth will go back to number 1 and Rory will go down to number 2 due to the fact that Rory's divisor goes up from 44 to 45.

If Jason Day wins this week, he will go to number 1 unless Spieth finishes solo second or in a two way tie for second or McIlroy finishes solo second. If Day finishes solo second, he can move up to number 2 in the rankings if McIlroy finishes worse than 21st.

Rory needs to finish in the top ten and ahead of Spieth to retain the number 1 spot. If he wins, he's guaranteed to be number 1. If he finishes solo second, he will go to number 1 unless Spieth wins.

Assuming Day doesn't win, the result needed by Spieth in order to stay at number 1 assuming a top ten finish by Rory are as follows:

Rory Jordan
3rd 2nd
4th T6th/7th
5th 12th
6th 20th
7th 27th
8th 49th
9th 58th
10th 58th

Great analysis. It's fascinating how the top of the rankings can change so quickly.

abff

mickmackey1 wrote: »

So even if Spieth misses the cut, he can go to no.1 if Rory finishes, say 12th?

That's correct. Provided Day doesn't win this week.

First Up

vienne86 wrote: »

Great analysis. It's fascinating how the top of the rankings can change so quickly.

It is pretty meaningless if it can change week to week purely on the maths and who played or didn't a year ago. Let it be decided on the course, head to head, where it matters. That's all I look at.

abff

First Up wrote: »

It is pretty meaningless if it can change week to week purely on the maths and who played or didn't a year ago. Let it be decided on the course, head to head, where it matters. That's all I look at.

It's a measure based on a particular set of rules. No system is going to be perfect, but using a two year average with more weighting attached to recent performances seems like a reasonable approach.

The fact that it can change from work to week doesn't make it meaningless. Rory was a long way ahead of the rest a few months back and it has taken an exceptional run of results by Spieth and Day to get to a position where they are now vying for the number 1 spot.

First Up

abff wrote: »

It's a measure based on a particular set of rules. No system is going to be perfect, but using a two year average with more weighting attached to recent performances seems like a reasonable approach.

The fact that it can change from work to week doesn't make it meaningless. Rory was a long way ahead of the rest a few months back and it has taken an exceptional run of results by Spieth and Day to get to a position where they are now vying for the number 1 spot.

If you find it interesting - enjoy. I'll be watching the golf.

mickmackey1

Rory currently on 94 weeks at no.1, Faldo had 97 weeks so he would like to surpass that at any rate.

Mantis Toboggan

Just saw that the grand slam of golf has been cancelled due to venue complications!


Edit : mcilroy pars the first two.

Dolph Starbeam

Day birdies his first 3 holes. McIlroy and Spieth both +1 through 5 and 3 holes.

abff

First Up wrote: »

If you find it interesting - enjoy. I'll be watching the golf.

Me too. Knowing what the implications are for the world rankings won't prevent me watching the golf and won't ruin my enjoyment.

Won't be watching it this evening though. I'll be in Loulé watching Ireland play Gibraltar.

vienne86

So Spieth has opened with a +4. Rory is on -1 and Jason Day on -3, one behind the current lead.

Seve OB

Regarding the world rankings I think they have a pretty good system in place. They used to have a little summary in the home page giving details of the current player at no 1 which was great but now that's gone
A no. 1 player can't just be an in form player. They have to have proven their salt over a period of time so the rankings based over 2 years with weighting in favour of more recent performances is quite fair IMO. It does mean that when it gets tight at the top there will be a few changes without playing as there was last week but so be it. The one thing they should do though is add a little addendum of maybe the players last 6 or so tournaments and have a form ranking

Mantis Toboggan

vienne86 wrote: »

So Spieth has opened with a +4. Rory is on -1 and Jason Day on -3, one behind the current lead.

Didn't see any of his round but just seems to have run out of steam.

Mcilroy bogeyed the last two holes, could be costly.

vienne86

Seve OB wrote: »

Regarding the world rankings I think they have a pretty good system in place. They used to have a little summary in the home page giving details of the current player at no 1 which was great but now that's gone
A no. 1 player can't just be an in form player. They have to have proven their salt over a period of time so the rankings based over 2 years with weighting in favour of more recent performances is quite fair IMO. It does mean that when it gets tight at the top there will be a few changes without playing as there was last week but so be it. The one thing they should do though is add a little addendum of maybe the players last 6 or so tournaments and have a form ranking

I think it is a pretty good system they have in place - and I am grateful to posters here who understand it! Like most here, I like to watch each golf tournament. The OWGR is another thing, but it interests me too.

First Up

Seve OB wrote: »

Regarding the world rankings I think they have a pretty good system in place. They used to have a little summary in the home page giving details of the current player at no 1 which was great but now that's gone
A no. 1 player can't just be an in form player. They have to have proven their salt over a period of time so the rankings based over 2 years with weighting in favour of more recent performances is quite fair IMO. It does mean that when it gets tight at the top there will be a few changes without playing as there was last week but so be it. The one thing they should do though is add a little addendum of maybe the players last 6 or so tournaments and have a form ranking

I would attach some importance to it if it carried any reward, advantage or indeed any significance beyond the shape of the digit beside someone's name. That the "best" player on any given date can be determined by that player not actually playing is enough for me.

The rankings count for something further down, when it comes to qualifying for top events or even more critically, keeping your card. But as a way of deciding if Speith, McIlroy or Day is the "best" today, but maybe not tomorrow, it is of purely academic interest - and little enough of that.

spacecoyote

Dustin Johnson with a 290 yard 2-iron to the green, its a different game to us mortals lads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABS4bRcyRjM

rrpc

First Up wrote: »

I would attach some importance to it if it carried any reward, advantage or indeed any significance beyond the shape of the digit beside someone's name. That the "best" player on any given date can be determined by that player not actually playing is enough for me.

Spieth and McIlroy were the tiniest of margins apart before the Barclays: 0.05 of a ranking point, which really isn't more than a technical differential. You could equally say that Spieth lost the top spot through missing the cut in the Barclays rather than Rory winning it through not playing. Spieth needed to finish in the top 14 to hold number 1, which tbh should be expected of the number one golfer in the world. The fact is that his form is slipping and that's fairly reflected in his ranking.

First Up wrote: »

The rankings count for something further down, when it comes to qualifying for top events or even more critically, keeping your card. But as a way of deciding if Speith, McIlroy or Day is the "best" today, but maybe not tomorrow, it is of purely academic interest - and little enough of that.

It never was supposed to predict who's going to be number one tomorrow but consistency and form are reflected in the rankings. Day's form has seen him get very close to the other two and if it continues will see him at the top should the others falter.

In short, it's an accurate picture but when the differential gets into decimals then it's hard to separate players, which is how it should be.

Boskowski

Is it just me or anyone else couldn't really be bothered watching the FedEx playoffs? I can't put my finger on it, maybe its that all the players I like aren't in it. Maybe its that the majors are over and now its just a cash milking exercise. But I turned it on last night and after 10 minutes I was thinking what film could I watch instead.

Rikand

First Up wrote: »

If you find it interesting - enjoy. I'll be watching the golf.

I lover abff s ranking analysis. Will definitely add a little something extra to my weekend

First Up

rrpc wrote: »

Spieth and McIlroy were the tiniest of margins apart before the Barclays: 0.05 of a ranking point, which really isn't more than a technical differential. You could equally say that Spieth lost the top spot through missing the cut in the Barclays rather than Rory winning it through not playing. Spieth needed to finish in the top 14 to hold number 1, which tbh should be expected of the number one golfer in the world. The fact is that his form is slipping and that's fairly reflected in his ranking.


It never was supposed to predict who's going to be number one tomorrow but consistency and form are reflected in the rankings. Day's form has seen him get very close to the other two and if it continues will see him at the top should the others falter.

In short, it's an accurate picture but when the differential gets into decimals then it's hard to separate players, which is how it should be.

Who said anything about predicting?

When the differential gets into decimals, it doesn't separate players to any degree beyond meaningless.

Mantis Toboggan

Some round from hoffman!

vienne86

Rikand wrote: »

I lover abff s ranking analysis. Will definitely add a little something extra to my weekend

Yep - that's my attitude too.

First Up

You lads need more interesting lives.

Diego Tristan

Rory not going well, but in for the last 2 rounds at least.

Spieth going home early again. Shocker from Justin Rose at the last, missing a putt to make the cut from about 3 feet.