Does Anti-austeriry really annoy anyone else?

El Inho

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0413/381224-5-000-people-attend-anti-austerity-march/

This kind of marching etc really bugs me. The St Paddy's day parade in KK was dire enough, but at the very end these kind of eejits came up along at the end to ruin a family day with politics.

The whole thing annoys me. Marching around with the tri colour trying to incite a rebellion against the government. You'd swear we had it hard in this country.

I accept this is going to be a very unpopular post, but I just wish there were more people who just got on with it.

paddy147

El Spearo wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0413/381224-5-000-people-attend-anti-austerity-march/

This kind of marching etc really bugs me. The St Paddy's day parade in KK was dire enough, but at the very end these kind of eejits came up along at the end to ruin a family day with politics.

The whole thing annoys me. Marching around with the tri colour trying to incite a rebellion against the government. You'd swear we had it hard in this country.

I accept this is going to be a very unpopular post, but I just wish there were more people who just got on with it.

Dont worry Bill Cullen will save us all...............oh no wait,hes suddenly lost his memory too.:pac::pac::pac::pac:

Grimreaper666

We have it hard thanks to constant bad decisions our over paid politicians are making.

The King of Moo

Not really, austerity is much more annoying that anti-austerity. When even the people who decided on the austerity measures feel they were too strong, it's good to see people protesting, whatever the form.

Shamozzle

El Spearo wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0413/381224-5-000-people-attend-anti-austerity-march/

This kind of marching etc really bugs me. The St Paddy's day parade in KK was dire enough, but at the very end these kind of eejits came up along at the end to ruin a family day with politics.

The whole thing annoys me. Marching around with the tri colour trying to incite a rebellion against the government. You'd swear we had it hard in this country.

I accept this is going to be a very unpopular post, but I just wish there were more people who just got on with it.

So you like paying taxes?

El Inho

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

We have it hard thanks to constant bad decisions our over paid politicians are making.

thats great, but you realise 'we have it hard' because of previous groups of politicians too?

plus we don't have it hard. we just don't have it as easy as some people would like.

we, the irish people, need to get over ourselves.

El Inho

Shamozzle wrote: »

So you like paying taxes?

No, nobody does. But I do understand that it is my responsibility to pay taxes. Just like it is in every country.

It's clear nobody likes taxes, but by god they love complaining about them.

paddy147

El Spearo wrote: »

thats great, but you realise 'we have it hard' because of previous groups of politicians too?

plus we don't have it hard. we just don't have it as easy as some people would like.

we, the irish people, need to get over ourselves.

Thankyou Bill..for that lovely speech...:pac::pac:


Now go and ask BOI or even KBC for a loan of 9 million euro.;)

El Inho

Just realised I gave this a very asian title :P

El Inho

paddy147 wrote: »

Thankyou Bill..for that lovely speech...:pac::pac:


Now go and ask BOI or even KBC for a loan of 9 million euro.;)

that whole Bill thing wasn't funny the first time, but keep trying.

Grimreaper666

El Spearo wrote: »

thats great, but you realise 'we have it hard' because of previous groups of politicians too?

plus we don't have it hard. we just don't have it as easy as some people would like.

we, the irish people, need to get over ourselves.

Speak for yourself!! I have it bloody hard now as a result of bad decisions made by people who made themselves out to be experts with over paid spin doctors who aren't accountable for anything at the end of the day. By politicians i mean all of them, not just the shower there at the moment.
Get over ourselves??? What bloody planet are you on ffs?

The King of Moo

El Spearo wrote: »

thats great, but you realise 'we have it hard' because of previous groups of politicians too?

plus we don't have it hard. we just don't have it as easy as some people would like.

we, the irish people, need to get over ourselves.

That's a very broad generalisation. Parents of special-needs children might disagree with that, especially if they're already dealing with financial strain as a lot of people are.

I personally don't earn a lot of money and have had to pay a lot more tax. I think this is unfair as I'm not responsible for the problems I'm paying for, and I think it's even more unfair that people a lot worse off than me have to suffer. This is especially galling because politicians and many high-level bank officials receive disproportionately high salaries.

If anything, I think people in Ireland should protest more, including myself.

Grimreaper666

El Spearo wrote: »

Just realised I gave this a very asian title :P

So that's where you are? Come over here for a while and see what's going on.:rolleyes:

paddy147

El Spearo wrote: »

that whole Bill thing wasn't funny the first time, but keep trying.

Will do Jackie.;):pac::pac:

El Inho

Sorry but I won't be budged on this. We've become a country of moaners. The one thing we still had was not turning into rioters like the greeks. And even that might be lost soon.

I've felt cuts in many places, but it's just a matter of get on with it. You can either moan and endure or brave it and try be happy. Im the latter.

Grimreaper666

El Spearo wrote: »

Sorry but I won't be budged on this. We've become a country of moaners. The one thing we still had was not turning into rioters like the greeks. And even that might be lost soon.

I've felt cuts in many places, but it's just a matter of get on with it. You can either moan and endure or brave it and try be happy. Im the latter.

Well good luck with that, hope it goes well for you. If you're feeling flush you can bail us all out.

The King of Moo

El Spearo wrote: »

Sorry but I won't be budged on this. We've become a country of moaners. The one thing we still had was not turning into rioters like the greeks. And even that might be lost soon.

I've felt cuts in many places, but it's just a matter of get on with it. You can either moan and endure or brave it and try be happy. Im the latter.

That's the key word there. I don't know your exact situation but I'd be very surprised if you haven't felt cuts as badly as many other people in this country.
Do you think they should get on with it instead of saying that maybe already vulnerable members of society shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of the rich and powerful?
Do you know, or care about people who might be much worse off than you, or do you only care about your own situation?

Even Ashoka Mody says things were taken too far with austerity measures: do you know better than him?

paddy147

El Spearo wrote: »

Sorry but I won't be budged on this.become a moaner.Im the latter.

Yep,you have become one indeed.:pac:

At least you are now being honest to yourself,so thats a step in the right direction to you getting help.;):pac::D

El Inho

paddy147 wrote: »

Yep,you have become one indeed.:pac:

At least you are now being honest to yourself,so thats a step in the right direction to you getting help.;):pac::D

editing like that would get you a great job in the papers.

woodoo

El Spearo wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0413/381224-5-000-people-attend-anti-austerity-march/

This kind of marching etc really bugs me. The St Paddy's day parade in KK was dire enough, but at the very end these kind of eejits came up along at the end to ruin a family day with politics.

The whole thing annoys me. Marching around with the tri colour trying to incite a rebellion against the government. You'd swear we had it hard in this country.

I accept this is going to be a very unpopular post, but I just wish there were more people who just got on with it.

I knew it, i always suspected Phil Hogan was on boards.. hello Phil

El Inho

is calling me well known people actually a trait of ye or what?

woodoo

El Spearo wrote: »

is calling me well known people actually a trait of ye or what?

Pipe down Phil

_Kaiser_

El Spearo wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0413/381224-5-000-people-attend-anti-austerity-march/

This kind of marching etc really bugs me. The St Paddy's day parade in KK was dire enough, but at the very end these kind of eejits came up along at the end to ruin a family day with politics.

The whole thing annoys me. Marching around with the tri colour trying to incite a rebellion against the government. You'd swear we had it hard in this country.

I accept this is going to be a very unpopular post, but I just wish there were more people who just got on with it.

You're dead right OP

We should all just sit there, shut up and bend over when demanded while those imposing these decisions are completely insulated from the impact and creaming off the top for themselves, their relatives and their mates.

After all, who are we to question our bunch of publicans, teachers, lawyers and career politicians. Sure wasn't Enda the "European of the Year" - is that not enough for us?

And sure just because I'm alright at the moment, feck everyone else. It's ok though - if I get hit in the next budget, or my employer decides to lay me off, I'll just "get on with it" too

:rolleyes:

Swan Curry

If you're not willing to listen to other opinions,why did you post on a discussion forum?

El Inho

Swan Curry wrote: »

If you're not willing to listen to other opinions,why did you post on a discussion forum?

wanted to see what other opinions are.

Richard Hillman

Its like getting stuck in a lift. The likes of Richard Boyd-Barrett would just stay there and whinge about getting into the lift. Normal people would be trying to find a way of salvaging the situation.

Prettyblack

It does annoy me. It's a way of getting the less well off riled up so some other political party (because it is all politics) get their agenda forward.

What annoys me is people saying "I'm not responsible for the banks" etc. well I'm not responsible for the roads but I still pay road tax, I'm not responsible for RTE but still pay a TV licence, I'm not responsible for nurses but my taxes help pay their wages.

Most of the moans come from people who don't really understand how the finance sector, or government, works - I'd like I see the socialist party try and run the country, pretty soon they'd be doing the same thing as there really isn't any other way to do it. Like it or lump it.

mikom

El Spearo wrote: »

Sorry but I won't be budged on this. We've become a country of moaners. The one thing we still had was not turning into rioters like the greeks. And even that might be lost soon.

I've felt cuts in many places, but it's just a matter of get on with it. You can either moan and endure or brave it and try be happy. Im the latter.

Are you a carer?
Are you on the cancer bus from Donegal to Galway a few times a month?

The elite are chipping away at it............ they'll have you as a serf eventually, but shur just " endure or brave it and try be happy".

hatrickpatrick

El Spearo wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0413/381224-5-000-people-attend-anti-austerity-march/

This kind of marching etc really bugs me. The St Paddy's day parade in KK was dire enough, but at the very end these kind of eejits came up along at the end to ruin a family day with politics.

The whole thing annoys me. Marching around with the tri colour trying to incite a rebellion against the government. You'd swear we had it hard in this country.

I accept this is going to be a very unpopular post, but I just wish there were more people who just got on with it.

"Just get on with it" as in sit idly by as those at the top line their own pockets while demanding sacrifices of everyone else? F*ck that.

The day Bertie Ahern is completely and totally cut off from any form of exchequer expenses whatsoever will be the day I will consider scaling back my protesting. Until then, they can shove their austerity up their arses. If it's not austerity for EVERYONE, it shouldn't be austerity for anyone.

Fattes

Austerity is made up word by people who like to spend other peoples money to get what they want. If you can only spend what you have its called budgeting.

hatrickpatrick

Fattes wrote: »

Austerity is made up word by people who like to spend other peoples money to get what they want. If you can only spend what you have its called budgeting.

Fair enough. How much more would we have to spend on worthwhile things if we stopped pouring money into bankers' pensions and salaries, and cut people like Bertie Ahern, cited by a tribunal as a potential crook, off from totally unwarranted perks and expenses which he is still receiving despite no longer actually working for us?

Seriously, how can you possibly be ok with that?

DaithiMa

There isn't any other way to do it? Well that is what we were told-both by our current and previous governments-and by the IMF and the ECB. But alas, it seems the people were deceived yet again.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/austerity-was-wrong-option-for-ireland-says-former-imf-chief-29191181.html

This article alone, in my opinion, justifies any protest/march or moaning. People who have been claiming that there is/was no alternative to brutal austerity need to get real. Enda has come out and said in reply that 'hindsight is a wonderful thing', but yet his government still blindly pursue the same policies that have failed/are failing. If we protested more maybe they would have realised that austerity is a beaten docket sooner.

El Spearo

El Spearo wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0413/381224-5-000-people-attend-anti-austerity-march/

This kind of marching etc really bugs me. The St Paddy's day parade in KK was dire enough, but at the very end these kind of eejits came up along at the end to ruin a family day with politics.

The whole thing annoys me. Marching around with the tri colour trying to incite a rebellion against the government. You'd swear we had it hard in this country.

I accept this is going to be a very unpopular post, but I just wish there were more people who just got on with it.

Marching is only affective if it is well supported. 5,000 people waving red cards are not in any way representative of the population. Ah, shur, they need an ould day out and a bit of exercise.

hatrickpatrick

Deleted User wrote: »

Marching is only affective if it is well supported. 5,000 people waving red cards are not in any way representative of the population. Ah, shur, they need an ould day out and a bit of exercise.

Why aren't more people supporting it?

Honestly, you'd have to walk a thousand miles to find someone who actually approved of corruption such as the Bertie saga mentioned above. Why then are so few actually coming out to put pressure on our government to stop f*cking around and actually do something about it?

keelanj69

The way some posters go on you'd think they were loading their guns and about to storm Dail Eireann. I look forward to seeing some of their names come next GE.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why aren't more people supporting it?

Honestly, you'd have to walk a thousand miles to find someone who actually approved of corruption such as the Bertie saga mentioned above. Why then are so few actually coming out to put pressure on our government to stop f*cking around and actually do something about it?

People are not protesting, because there is nothing to protest about! We are in deep doodoo and the only way out of it is to tighten our belts and sit it out. Banging on about banks and politicians huge salaries will get us no where. I won't go so far as to say they deserve every cent, but would you do it for any less? The majority of people are just getting on with things, same as we always did. We're not alone in this recession. It's worldwide. A bit of realism is all thats needed. We WILL get through this and be the stronger for it.

gutteruu

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Fair enough. How much more would we have to spend on worthwhile things if we stopped pouring money into bankers' pensions and salaries, and cut people like Bertie Ahern,....

Seriously, how can you possibly be ok with that?

People spend most of the time moaning about politicians salaries/pensions which add up to about 15 million. While the bailout cost about 80 Billion. Do they make to much, of course they do. but its so unbelievable miniscule in the grand scheme of things. Somehow people think cutting politicians wages will fix everything.

Try it. Put them on minimum wage and see how honest they become then. See how beyond reproach they become. Ask Haughey, Burke, Lawlor and the boys did they feel good about their normal salary back then.

professore

Considering the circumstances, I think the current government are doing a great job. Protesting about austerity is like protesting about being poor. Most of the stickers I see about not paying the property tax are on 2012 and 2013 cars.

Where the hell are we going to get the money from to change the austerity programme anyway? Living within your means is what it should be called.

mikom

professore wrote: »

Most of the stickers I see about not paying the property tax are on 2012 and 2013 cars.

That's funny................ ya know how the poor haven't got a car to put sticker on for you to see.....

keelanj69

mikom wrote: »

That's funny................ ya know how the poor haven't got a car to put sticker on for you to see.....

Sweet jesus.

mikom

keelanj69 wrote: »

Sweet jesus.

Indeed........... http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=583777&date_to=&date_from=&query=*%3A*&forum=861

The cuts will reach everyone.

keelanj69

mikom wrote: »

Indeed........... http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=583777&date_to=&date_from=&query=*%3A*&forum=861

Yes.?. I have very little money. Less than most. And a serious uncurable illness. Yet I live in reality. Poor people have cars. My posts dont change that.
Maybe I should moan about cutbacks in health etc but truth is Irelands not that bad. I'd be dead if not for the specilist care I got despite cutbacks. People work hard and make do with what they have and get what they can afford. Its called being clever.

mikom

keelanj69 wrote: »

Yes.?. I have very little money. Less than most. And a serious uncurable illness. Yet I live in reality. Poor people have cars. My posts dont change that.
Maybe I should moan about cutbacks in health etc but truth is Irelands not that bad. I'd be dead if not for the specilist care I got despite cutbacks. People work hard and make do with what they have and get what they can afford. Its called being clever.

Sorry to hear about the incurable illness.
My point is that you should not moan about those moaning, as many of them do not want to get into your situation, and be forced to survive and cope with less money and health services than you are receiving now.
Can you blame them?

Fattes

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fattes
Austerity is made up word by people who like to spend other peoples money to get what they want. If you can only spend what you have its called budgeting.
Fair enough. How much more would we have to spend on worthwhile things if we stopped pouring money into bankers' pensions and salaries, and cut people like Bertie Ahern, cited by a tribunal as a potential crook, off from totally unwarranted perks and expenses which he is still receiving despite no longer actually working for us?

Seriously, how can you possibly be ok with that?

You are making a lot of assumptions in that last sentence I made no statment or wording that could possibly lead anyone to assume my position on it so keep your opinions to your posts.

Our states biggest expenditure items are Social Welfare, Health Service, and Public Service pay, the bank bailout and political pay are not our biggest budgetary issue.

keelanj69

mikom wrote: »

Sorry to hear about the incurable illness.
My point is that you should not moan about those moaning, as many of them do not want to get into your situation.
Can you blame them.

Ah. It's grand. I do agree that those at the top should show solidarity. What I dont like is Ireland being compared to a third world countey on this site. It's still a great place.

John.Icy

What are you smoking OP? Ireland has it incredibly hard!

Now I'm out of this silly thread, I have some Sky to watch, on one of the many TV's in my home. I also have some browsing to do using my broadband. After all that energy spent I may get some nice clean healthy water that won't kill me or my family. And if I'm bored, I might head out and have a few pints with friends.

Oh how my hard life is not worth living.

mikom

keelanj69 wrote: »

Ah. It's grand. I do agree that those at the top should show solidarity. What I dont like is Ireland being compared to a third world countey on this site. It's still a great place.

Slippage often happens without you noticing.
Maybe the protesters are feeling the ground move before others.

John.Icy wrote: »

What are you smoking OP? Ireland has it incredibly hard!

Now I'm out of this silly thread, I have some Sky to watch, on one of the many TV's in my home. I also have some browsing to do using my broadband. After all that energy spent I may get some nice clean healthy water that won't kill me or my family. And if I'm bored, I might head out and have a few pints with friends.

Oh how my hard life is not worth living.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST-2ZWGgMmo

♫
“I’m all right, Jack, I’m okay, That is the message for today.
So count up your lolly, feather your nest, Let someone else worry, boy I couldn’t care less.
You scratch my back; I’ll do the same for you, Jack, That is the message for today”.
.
.

hfallada

Austerity isnt working

Oh waits hasnt the cost of borrowing fallen from like 15 % to 3.9% for the government since the cut backs and tax increases have started. What do people want us to do. Keep borrowing to fund services which arent sustainable anyway and **** up future generations with massive amounts of debt.

We have bailed out the banks, bondholders build a ****ing bridge and get over it

mikom

hfallada wrote: »

We have bailed out the banks, bondholders build a ****ing bridge and get over it

Stick a toll on it while you are at it for all the 2012 and 2013 cars covered in stickers on their way to the soup kitchens in Galway and Athlone

KyussBishop

There was a fair amount of fraud committed in the run up to the crisis, and nobody has been punished and put in jail for these crimes.
They are, effectively, above the law because nobody will prosecute them (one set of laws for me and you, another for those with monied/politically-connected interests; a two-tiered system); is this alone, not something worth protesting about? (nobody has any problems here?)

It's everyone else dealing with the consequences of their actions (the people involved with stoking the property bubble), with them hardly being affected at all; being insulated in fact, due to many of the same people participating in creating this crisis, getting ridiculous salaries, bonuses and pensions.

What isn't worth protesting over, about that?


Most of the people who are ardently against protesting, don't give a toss about any alternatives, they usually are backing a pet economic theory (typically constructed by right-wing think tanks, who want mass privatization and the destruction of welfare/labour powers, which just so happens to make private rent-seeking extraordinarily easy), or work in (or are moving to work in) an area where they benefit from austerity policies.

Usually they care most about shouting down alternatives, or pouring condescension upon them to try and undermine their credibility (as well as discouraging protests, that may undermine their beliefs or interests); the ones who don't do this out of consciously malign motives, typically do it out of tribal loyalty to their pet economic theories, a bit like the tribalistic loyalties you get with football supporters.

Others who aren't that much interested in economics, often just view right-wing 'lefty/hippy/crusty' bashing as edgy in some form or other, when it's really just small-minded; an ignorant way of avoiding exercising the few brain cells needed, to consider someones actual arguments.

That kind of lefty bashing is actually the perfect example of the tribalism: Turn off all braincells and engage in bashing, so other right-wing cohorts can join in, and you can try to 'win' the discussion through social-reinforcement; it's exactly this kind of escape from logical thinking, which allows them to cement their own views in even deeper, through social reinforcement and confirmation bias, and ignoring all criticism.

Mr.David

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How much more would we have to spend on worthwhile things if we stopped pouring money into bankers' pensions and salaries

F*ck all really if you actually stop to think about it.