saudi man sentenced to paralysis

Madam_X

smirker wrote: »

It is not amusing for people to think that our society where there is a risk of being attacked by drunks at night if walking around a town centre is all right.

Just who said it's all right? It's not, but this country is not a brutal dictatorship, which would be worse, including for people who see positives in the Saudi regime.

Women in this country cant walk the streets of the capital city without meeting chuggers, muggers drug addicts and handbag snatchers. At night they also have rapists to contend with and random attackers to contend with.

People of both genders encounter chuggers (whom they can tell to **** off), muggers, drug addicts and thieves.
Er, no... we don't have rapists and random attackers (encountered by men too when it does happen) "to contend with" at night. You make it seem like they're all over the place, lurking on every corner.
They're out there, yes, but no point in pretending it's an extremely frequent occurrence.

We should clean up our own backyard before condemning another country.

No "we" shouldn't. We can criticise somewhere like Saudi Arabia if we wish - this country is a much better society in which to live, for people across the board. S.A. is only a good, free place to live if you are a wealthy Saudi man. It's ironic that you go on about the negatives women face here. Hello?! Saudi Arabia and women?!!
Also, criticising another society does not mean I think this society is perfect and above criticism.

FTA69 wrote: »

In fairness the man fought in the Spanish Civil War on the side of the socialists, he put his life and freedom on the line for his beliefs in an egalitarian society. He was far from superficial in his affinity with the working class and struggles of social justice. As Lenin said (himself from a middle class background), it isn't the class you're from but the one you're alligned with that's important.

Fair points, but sneering at the "intelligentsia" when he was a member of it (and rewarded for it)... reminds me of women who say "Women can be such bitches!" or Irish people who say "The Irish are so backward" etc.
He could never have known exactly what it was like to grow up poor/working class in Britain at the time either.

Suckler

smirker wrote: »

It all depends on how it is delivered. Did you block her path and stare at her genital area and say "hello" with a wink and a leer? You are probably not going to admit that anyway so my point still stands.

Did I say that I blocked her path etc. No. If I did, I would have mentioned it. I wanted to give you the full picture so you could see how stupid your point was. Is this how you conduct yourself when in the capital or with other women? Family life must be awkward to say the least.
Your point never stood in the first place so I'm not sure how you can attempt to make it stand now other than trolling (again).

FTA69

Madam_X wrote: »

Fair points, but sneering at the "intelligentsia" when he was a member of it... reminds me of women who say "Women can be such bitches!" or Irish people who say "The Irish are so backward" etc.

My impression of him was that he had little time for members of the intelligentsia who were great at commenting but sh*t at actually doing or backing up their convictions with activism. Many of that class did (and still do) feel that their only role should be to theorise abstractly and little else. Orwell, on the other hand, was a member of the intelligentsia but he was also very much a doer and very well acquainted with privation as he had been in that situation before. It is possible to be an activist and intellectual, and it's perfectly fair to criticise intellectuals who sit on their holes and live in an academic bubble.

After fighting in a war like the one in Spain he most certainly earned that right.

Mod

Smirker - Re-reg troll - banned.

TwoShedsJackson

Brownhead wrote: »

A friend of mine worked in Saudi some years ago. She said it is very safe. if she left her handbag down in the market square, it would stay there all day and not be stolen. There were no drunken fights, rapes or stabbings.

Anecdotal evidence on the internet that someone thought Saudi Arabia was safe. We should change over to a repressive, theocratic, medieval system of government immediately!!

laoch na mona

1o years for a crime committed as a juvenile is long enough

Oranage2

Crazy stuff and people want their mosques here.

ToddyDoody

"get back you bastards, I'll break your legs"

Amirani

I'd venture to suggest that people applauding the virtues of Sharia Law and its results in Saudi Arabia haven't actually lived under such laws. Under such laws, criticising the law is illegal, something that you have shown a fondness for doing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Brownhead wrote: »

A friend of mine worked in Saudi some years ago. She said it is very safe. if she left her handbag down in the market square, it would stay there all day and not be stolen. There were no drunken fights, rapes or stabbings.

Not a problem - we'll just bring in prohibition as well. Problem solved?

Madam_X

Madam_X wrote: »

Ah Orwell... a member of the intelligentsia himself, and born into the upper class, with an Eton education.
I love him but find his criticism of the groups he was part of, as if he was an exception, and his "affinity" with the "proles", to be seriously hypocritical.

If we follow from that it's pretty hard for anyone to not be hypocritical tbh.

Blisterman

Seriously, for those saying that this is an appropriate punishment, what positive outcome is likely to come of this?

Will it prevent anyone else carrying out a similar crime? Unlikely, given that it was a crime of passion.

Revenge should have no place in a justice system.

ScumLord

smirker wrote: »

In is not amusing for people to think that our society where there is a risk of being attacked by drunks at night if walking around a town centre is all right. Every weekend there are reports in the papers of people being attacked outside a pub, disco or wherever. Women in this country cant walk the streets of the capital city without meeting chuggers, muggers drug addicts and handbag snatchers. At night they also have rapists to contend with and random attackers to contend with. We should clean up our own backyard before condemning another country.

You've just described life in any city across the world.

TwoShedsJackson

Blisterman wrote: »

Seriously, for those saying that this is an appropriate punishment, what positive outcome is likely to come of this?

None, but it gives the fascist fantasists something more to slaver over. Some mong on a thread here a couple of days ago was wanting someone burned badly, then constantly covered in vinegar or something. No doubt he thinks he isn't a sadist.

ScumLord

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

None, but it gives the fascist fantasists something more to slaver over. Some mong on a thread here a couple of days ago was wanting someone burned badly, then constantly covered in vinegar or something. No doubt he thinks he isn't a sadist.

Probably not a sadist just lives a sheltered life. If they ever witnessed something like that happening they'd pass out and be forever scarred by the experience.

COYVB

CJC999 wrote: »

There are certain cases where the eye for an eye rule could be used. This is not one of them, he was 14 years old at time and has already done10 years in prison, which I think is more than adequate for his crime.

you think that's a fair sentence for ruining a kids life by leaving him paralyzed forever? really?

Lingua Franca

We don't even know how much longer he'll serve in jail, he's served 10 years so far. And yes, that (whatever the sentence is) is a fair sentence because that's what he was sentenced to by the courts 10 years ago. 10 years down the line the victim wants either money or revenge as extra punishment. Do you honestly think that's fair? How many punishments do you think would be too many? Should the victim be able to come after him again in another decade if he decides the second punishment still wasn't enough?

laoch na mona

COYVB wrote: »

you think that's a fair sentence for ruining a kids life by leaving him paralyzed forever? really?

you can live a perfectly full life while disabled

Blisterman

COYVB wrote: »

you think that's a fair sentence for ruining a kids life by leaving him paralyzed forever? really?

You don't think spending ages 14 to at least 24 in a Saudi prison where conditions are unimaginably harsher than here, is much punishment?

end of the road

Oranage2 wrote: »

Crazy stuff and people want their mosques here.

what sort of point is that? muslims come from many places around the world, just because one is a muslim doesn't mean they are in favour of these extreme dictatorships and their extreme ideals, thats like saying because one is a catholic they think its okay to send single/unmarried mothers away to institutions and have their babies forcabley adopted

end of the road

smirker wrote: »

At night they also have rapists to contend with

rapists only rape at night? grow up

Oranage2

end of the road wrote: »

what sort of point is that? muslims come from many places around the world, just because one is a muslim doesn't mean they are in favour of these extreme dictatorships and their extreme ideals, thats like saying because one is a catholic they think its okay to send single/unmarried mothers away to institutions and have their babies forcabley adopted

Hang on a minute, I was specifically talking about Saudi built mosques.

Irish people have lost their back bone and anything said against non whites is racist, it wasn't so long ago we boycotted south African goods during apartheid I don't why we shouldn't do the same for Saudi Arabia and sharia Law.


If another country didn't want Irish priests or nuns because of what happened id have no problem with that.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

HHobo wrote: »

It must be nice to be able to intuit the motives/motivations of people you have never met and know next to nothing about.

I wouldn't want to meet someone that fiddles with kids tbh, much less get to know them. Those people deserve to rot in a hole for all I care, one of the lowest and most vile crimes out there.

And fyi, paedophile definition;
pedophile: an adult who is sexually attracted to children

Can't understand anyone who would even try and defend that ilk.

coffee_cake

Brownhead wrote: »

A friend of mine worked in Saudi some years ago. She said it is very safe. if she left her handbag down in the market square, it would stay there all day and not be stolen. There were no drunken fights, rapes or stabbings.

No rape in Saudi. lol.

recylingbin

Stupid Saudis. They should swap the guys brain into the paralysed guys body and vice versa. He gets punished, the cripple gets use of a body again and justice is seen to be served.
Win-win-win, as I see it.

Airitech

I'd like to visit Saudi Arabia one day. I have always wondered what life was like in the Middle Ages.

wandatowell

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's sick. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Thats deep dude

end of the road

Oranage2 wrote: »

Irish people have lost their back bone

rubbish

Oranage2 wrote: »

anything said against non whites is racist

no it isn't, absolute nonsense, the only time something said against non whites is classed as racist is when it actually is

Oranage2 wrote: »

it wasn't so long ago we boycotted south African goods during apartheid I don't why we shouldn't do the same for Saudi Arabia and sharia Law.

maybe people just don't care enough, nothing stopping you though

2Mad2BeMad

Shelflife wrote: »

Interesting that none of the replies have wondered about the victim and how he is coping with his life sentence of being paralysed.

While i dont agree with paralysing the guilty man, its disconcerting that the replies so far have spoken about having served his time when te real victim is still in a wheel chair.

Thats whats wrong with the world we live in at the moment. The victim is ignored and we ensure that the guilty parties rights are not violated in any way, to the detrement at times of the victim.

so in other words
we can feel bad for the person who commited the crime
but also feel bad for the victim ?
ya cant go both ways about it
its been 10 years since the victim has been paralysed so i can safely say hes quite used to it now,sure he would rather be walking but i cant imagin been upset about it for 10 years straight, if he was then he would of commited suicide
the kid got 10 years in jail
should be longer sentence if ya ask me, but then again he was a kid , but i dont think the victim "in this case" has the right to have him paralysed after spending so many years in jail

ScumLord

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

so in other words
we can feel bad for the person who commited the crime
but also feel bad for the victim ?
ya cant go both ways about it

Of course you can, there's no point in picking sides from where we're sitting.