By-Election Confirmed for March 27th

Hijpo

Robbo wrote: »

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Hijpo, I don't think your understanding of a receiver's duty of care towards the debtor is fully rounded. For a reasonable primer, start here where Ben Gilroy mildly inconvenienced but ultimately failed in stopping a receiver, the cost of which will be added to the debt of the unfortunates relying on his advices. Yes, there is a limited duty of care in certain circumstances but it is dwarfed by the duty owed to the debenture holder.

So what your saying is, we cant even ask a reciever to make sure all his documents are in order and to prove they are or we will be thrown into further financial difficulty?

What a lovely little country and people we deal with, just lovely.

rpurfield

Hijpo wrote: »

Well seen as DDI is all about the peoples position on these issues and giving power to the people to exercise there position, my own views on these issues would be (from what i know of) for a start

abortion, in the circumstance of the child being severly disabled, endangering the mothers life during pregnancy or birth, cases of pregnancy after physical evidence sexual violence etc the parents should be given the choice of aborting the pregnancy in sufficient time where the abortion is as humanly possible to both.

Healthcare, couples over a certain amount of combined income should be exempt from medical cards, single persons over a certain amount of income should be exempt from medical cards, anything to do with physical and mental disabilities would need to be looked at closely, i know people will slam me for saying means testing and how inefficient it is but means testing is the only way to get a true reflection of what is and is not needed per disability.

Again, off the top of my head, thats my view. I suppose a break down of all areas within healthcase is needed to see what are the big drains on finance to work out how money can be saved without slash and cut tactics by someone who is in a better position to finance there circumstances privately without relying on the things they are slashing and cutting.

Whats your views?

but thats your own personal views not the parties.for what its worth im pro choice and i think its wrong that people who are being squeezed left right and centre should be made pay for doctors visits, prsi should be overhauled that it covers you for GP and hospital visits unless you wish to go through a private insurer.i think in theory that it could be a good move to see someone come out with a good alternative but im honest the more i read the less i like!!

Hijpo

rpurfield wrote: »

but thats your own personal views not the parties.for what its worth im pro choice and i think its wrong that people who are being squeezed left right and centre should be made pay for doctors visits, prsi should be overhauled that it covers you for GP and hospital visits unless you wish to go through a private insurer.i think in theory that it could be a good move to see someone come out with a good alternative but im honest the more i read the less i like!!

Heres what we will do, have a look at the policies of FG, FF, Lab, Sinn Fein and the workers party. DDI promise to copy them. Hurrah and magic, policies!

Problem solved ;-)

rpurfield

Hijpo wrote: »

Heres what we will do, have a look at the policies of FG, FF, Lab, Sinn Fein and the workers party. DDI promise to copy them. Hurrah and magic, policies!

Problem solved ;-)

yes and getting smart and treating me like an idiot because you dont agree with what im saying is really going to encourage me to vote for ben gilroy.

Hijpo

well the impression your giving is that you wont vote for him anyway unless we have all the answers.

In my previous post i was just highlighting the issue that we can make all the promises in the world and copy other party policies but how many of them are achievable and immediately necessary?

After 4 months what we have for now is core policies which are:
Stopping bondholder payments
Reduce family home mortgages
Abolish all taxes on family homes
Protect services and allowances
Cut business rates
Prevent state asset stripping

All designed to get the domestic economy out of the black hole its in, economy increases, income increases and so on

Policies such as [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]phasing out of all private beds in public hospitals[/FONT][/FONT] or a [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]free dental service for everyone under 18 like the workers party are [/FONT][/FONT]proclaiming are, although big issues, i believe sorting out the country as a whole is a bigger priority right now. The rest can be looked at when the primary problems are sorted.

Sierra Oscar

Is Ben Gilroy's campaign a one man job or the likes? I haven't seen anyone out campaigning on behalf of Direct Democracy Ireland yet. I have come across FG, SF, Lab, Socialist Workers Party and even Green party canvassers whilst out with FF. I did come across a lady who told me she was voting for that 'fella' Gilroy, although she didn't know what political party he represented or what he stood for. She came out of her house with a big poster of Gilroy that he had asked her to display when I asked her who he was, so they are obviously acquaintances. All the same the fact that she didn't even know what party he was standing for probably tells a lot about DDI's campaign.

raymon

Sierra Oscar , have you mentioned that you are part of Thomas Byrnes election team?

Sierra Oscar

raymon wrote: »

Sierra Oscar , have you mentioned that you are part of Thomas Byrnes election team?

Well, if you read my previous post you would have seen that I clearly stated that I was canvassing for FF?

Didn't think it needed to be clarified - I am one of the few who is actually upfront about their political affiliations on this forum.

raymon

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Well, if you read my previous post you would have seen that I clearly stated that I was canvassing for FF?

Didn't think it needed to be clarified - I am one of the few who is actually upfront about their political affiliations on this forum.

Great , just wanted to be clear . Wasn't clear from the op.

I am also up front about my political affiliations:

No affiliation , but will never vote for Sinn Fein and definitely no FF . I still find FF far too untrustworthy and devious . Sorry

raymon

By the way any other members of Thomas Byrnes team on here ??

Hijpo

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Is Ben Gilroy's campaign a one man job or the likes? I haven't seen anyone out campaigning on behalf of Direct Democracy Ireland yet. I have come across FG, SF, Lab, Socialist Workers Party and even Green party canvassers whilst out with FF. I did come across a lady who told me she was voting for that 'fella' Gilroy, although she didn't know what political party he represented or what he stood for. She came out of her house with a big poster of Gilroy that he had asked her to display when I asked her who he was, so they are obviously acquaintances. All the same the fact that she didn't even know what party he was standing for probably tells a lot about DDI's campaign.

Dont worry your FF head about DDI's campaign

oscarBravo

Hijpo wrote: »

Dont worry your FF head about DDI's campaign

I'm not getting the impression that anyone needs to worry too much about DDI's campaign.

thebman

There was a debate on Vinb last night on this by-election.

Could probably catch on the TV3 player if anyone is interested.

Hijpo

oscarBravo wrote: »

I'm not getting the impression that anyone needs to worry too much about DDI's campaign.

i wouldnt be so sure concidering the amount of attacks the party has had to deal with from opposition partys

in fact there was an article that started with "given the size, growth and activity of DDI I feel they are worth looking at in some detail" on blogger, a very active blogging site.
So i think DDI are doing pretty well for a party that started in november

rpurfield

Hijpo wrote: »

well the impression your giving is that you wont vote for him anyway unless we have all the answers.

In my previous post i was just highlighting the issue that we can make all the promises in the world and copy other party policies but how many of them are achievable and immediately necessary?

After 4 months what we have for now is core policies which are:
Stopping bondholder payments
Reduce family home mortgages
Abolish all taxes on family homes
Protect services and allowances
Cut business rates
Prevent state asset stripping

All designed to get the domestic economy out of the black hole its in, economy increases, income increases and so on

Policies such as [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]phasing out of all private beds in public hospitals[/FONT][/FONT] or a [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]free dental service for everyone under 18 like the workers party are [/FONT][/FONT]proclaiming are, although big issues, i believe sorting out the country as a whole is a bigger priority right now. The rest can be looked at when the primary problems are sorted.

thanks thats what im getting at im looking ye to sell yourselves a bit more im open minded to how i vote really but im just looking more info on ye thats all

Hijpo

rpurfield wrote: »

thanks thats what im getting at im looking ye to sell yourselves a bit more im open minded to how i vote really but im just looking more info on ye thats all

Appologies for coming across as treating you like an idiot, it was more tongue in cheek but there is no tongue in cheek smiley to had to improv with a wink.

Sierra Oscar

raymon wrote: »

Great , just wanted to be clear . Wasn't clear from the op.

Aye, reading back over it I can see why someone would perhaps have thought that.

raymon wrote: »

By the way any other members of Thomas Byrnes team on here ??

Although I just want to point out . . . I am in no way posting on behalf of Thomas Byrne or his campaign team. My opinions are very much my own!

Hijpo wrote: »

Dont worry your FF head about DDI's campaign

Don't worry I am not, and neither is Thomas Byrne I would imagine.

I was expecting thousands of DDI members to descend on the constituency after their recent exclamations of having achieved a massive membership drive. However seems it is not to be, I haven't even seen a poster of him up in Meath.

Hijpo

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Don't worry I am not, and neither is Thomas Byrne I would imagine.

I was expecting thousands of DDI members to descend on the constituency after their recent exclamations of having achieved a massive membership drive. However seems it is not to be, I haven't even seen a poster of him up in Meath.

Who in gods name is Thomas Byrne

A brand new party set up before christmas that refuses to extort money from its members, sure we probably cant afford posters, we arnt supported with dodgy loans from toxic banks or maybe even tax payers money, donations in paper bags from business men etc. Like i said, dont be worrying about what DDI are planning for there campaign.

KERSPLAT!

Hijpo wrote: »

Who in gods name is Thomas Byrne

A brand new party set up before christmas that refuses to extort money from its members, sure we probably cant afford posters, we arnt supported with dodgy loans from toxic banks or maybe even tax payers money, donations in paper bags from business men etc. Like i said, dont be worrying about what DDI are planning for there campaign.

Better get your skates on or it'll be over!

Hijpo

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

Better get your skates on or it'll be over!

Aww look another worrier, dont panic people all is well

Sure ye dont want Ben Gilroy to succeed, i figured ye would be happy there is little campaigning yet your advising us to get out there quick and bring all our members!

Serious confusion.

KERSPLAT!

Hijpo wrote: »

Aww look another worrier, dont panic people all is well

Sure ye dont want Ben Gilroy to succeed, i figured ye would be happy there is little campaigning yet your advising us to get out there quick and bring all our members!

Serious confusion.

I'm going grey with worry!! I've never heard of him so I'm not sure if I want him to succeed or not, maybe if he was campaigning he could state his case so I could make an informed decision

Hijpo

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

I'm going grey with worry!! I've never heard of him so I'm not sure if I want him to succeed or not, maybe if he was campaigning he could state his case so I could make an informed decision

Jaysus, is there any bit of colour left?

Well you have heard of him now, party policies can been seen in previous posts, Vote Ben Gilroy #1!!!

Hijpo

Hijpo wrote: »

Jaysus, is there any bit of colour left?

Well you have heard of him now, party policies can been seen in previous posts, Vote Ben Gilroy #1!!!

As a matter of interest, do you know how Ben Gilroy was selected as the party's candidate?

Hijpo

Kayroo wrote: »

As a matter of interest, do you know how Ben Gilroy was selected as the party's candidate?

I would imagine that as a kind of co founder he was selected by the core startup group wether that was 10 people holding a vote or 3 people involved from the very start i dont know, i wasnt involved in the head office startup myself but i will find out if it is of interest to you. We should not loose sight of the fact and the beauty of a party that supports a true and transparent democratic model, if enough people within DDI figured Ben Gilroy was not a suitable candidate he can be replaced by vote.
Is this achievable with any other party using the whip system? Are there any other parties NOT using the party whip system?
DDI explicitly refuses to use party whip.

raymon

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Although I just want to point out . . . I am in no way posting on behalf of Thomas Byrne or his campaign team. My opinions are very much my own!

It just seemed strange to me that a Fianna Fail election campaigner for Thomas Byrne would start a thread about the election campaign where each candidate gets mud thrown at them except for Thomas Byrne..........

You can't expect me not to be suspicious given Fianna Fail's dishonest past.


So anyway can you tell us why a Meath east voter should vote for Thomas Byrne for a man who was part of the government that destroyed our economy ? Has he apologized yet to the poeple on the dole queue , or the people who are losing their houses

Hijpo

Hijpo wrote: »

I would imagine that as a kind of co founder he was selected by the core startup group wether that was 10 people holding a vote or 3 people involved from the very start i dont know, i wasnt involved in the head office startup myself but i will find out if it is of interest to you.

Yeah makes sense. You don't have to find out it was very much a random query. Just as he's not in the constituency per se I was interested how they picked him.

Dandelion6

Ben Gilroy tweeted that he has "limitless time" for Nigel Farage (UKIP). Reason enough not to vote for him IMHO.

Hijpo

Dandelion6 wrote: »

Ben Gilroy tweeted that he has "limitless time" for Nigel Farage (UKIP). Reason enough not to vote for him IMHO.

You forgot to mention he has limitless time for him because he tells it like he sees it with out sitting on the fencd and sugar coating his opinions. What exactly does farage have to do with irelands direct democracy anyway?

If you were to take all your criticism of Ben Gilroy and apply it to current established parties you would see even more issues and on a far larger scale. If you were to apply those facts and have them influence your vote none of you would vote for any parties. DDI brings you something all the other parties dont and thats a voice and proper power with your votes. That should be what you focus on, not the illegitimate rubbish you would rather hang onto.

rpurfield

Hijpo wrote: »

Appologies for coming across as treating you like an idiot, it was more tongue in cheek but there is no tongue in cheek smiley to had to improv with a wink.

no bother.can you tell me though has ben gilroy suceeded in keeping anyone in their home or business on a permanent basis or is it just a case of delaying the reposessions by weeks or months?

Dandelion6

Hijpo wrote: »

You forgot to mention he has limitless time for him because

I didn't forget to mention it, it's just irrelevant. Gilroy is enthusiastically tweeting his admiration for a politician on Britain's far right and recommending everybody else follow his tweets. That kind of endorsement speaks volumes about Gilroy.