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woman = beautiful + strong?

  • 16-02-2013 7:00pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    When Katie Taylor won her medal during the summer I found it interesting (and infuriating) the amount of people who felt the need to point out 'and she's pretty like' as if the two can't go together; being physically strong and attractive

    I'm doing a lot of energy work at the moment where it's all about aggression and the 'masculine' part of me
    As I do and my body becomes stronger and sturdier I am finding it hard to tolerate anything like the above that suggests women being strong and/or aggressive is unattractive or wrong in any way

    anyone else have thoughts on this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    It's like someone saying someone is pretty and clever, they can both be found in people separately and together, but it's worth mentioning when a person has both of these features


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    It's like someone saying someone is pretty and clever, they can both be found in people separately and together, but it's worth mentioning when a person has both of these features

    no what I meant is that people seemed to find it abnormal or strange


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Cian92


    As a male, I'd find most physically strong women to be a turn-off, and alot of my peers would be the same.

    It is possible to be a strong and attractive woman but kinda rare.

    Anyway, ho do you define attractive? It will be different to everybody.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    Cian92 wrote: »
    As a male, I'd find most physically strong women to be a turn-off, and alot of my peers would be the same.

    It is possible to be a strong and attractive woman but kinda rare.

    Anyway, ho do you define attractive? It will be different to everybody.

    Do you mean if a woman has a beautiful face and a strong body that's still a turn off?

    If you mean attractive in a woman...I think a woman that's in her power is always very attractive..by that I mean a woman that can be strong and aggressive and soft and feminine as and when she needs to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    lolo62 wrote: »
    no what I meant is that people seemed to find it abnormal or strange

    "Pretty and masculine woman" is a bit of an oxymoron to me, because they are polar opposites in my mind. There can definitely still be attractive athletic women, but as soon as their physique starts to resemble a male, I, personally, find it very hard to find that woman attractive. I'm trying my hardest to be as sensitive about this as I can, but just I personally find this to be the case for me, and its not a general statement, just from my experience, this is what I've found.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Cian92


    lolo62 wrote: »
    Do you mean if a woman has a beautiful face and a strong body that's still a turn off?

    If you mean attractive in a woman...I think a woman that's in her power is always very attractive..by that I mean a woman that can be strong and aggressive and soft and feminine as and when she needs to be.

    Define a strong woman.

    If a woman is more 'muscley' than me, I wouldn't find her attractive no matter what.

    That's just me and what I'm into. I'm probably old fashioned in my view that a man should be able to protect and support "his woman" kind of a mindset.

    There are plenty others who would find a muscley woman attractive, but it just isn't for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    To those who say that 'strong' women can't be attractive.

    What do you think of these two?

    600629_339089996200443_2087874962_n.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Madam


    Cian92 wrote: »
    Define a strong woman.

    If a woman is more 'muscley' than me, I wouldn't find her attractive no matter what.

    That's just me and what I'm into. I'm probably old fashioned in my view that a man should be able to protect and support "his woman" kind of a mindset.

    There are plenty others who would find a muscley woman attractive, but it just isn't for me.

    You do know 'most' women feel the same about muscley guys?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭KamiKazeKitten


    To those who say that 'strong' women can't be attractive.

    What do you think of these two?

    To be fair I don't think they're saying strong women can't be attractive - just that they're not attractive to them. Which is fair enough, different strokes for different folks and all that.


    As for the two women in the picture, they're both gorgeous facially I think, but personally I just wouldn't want that amount of muscle definition - so I wouldn't want to look like that. I do admire the amount of dedication it takes for them to get to that stage though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Morgase


    A strong woman isn't necessarily covered in massive muscles.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Cian92


    To those who say that 'strong' women can't be attractive.

    What do you think of these two?

    600629_339089996200443_2087874962_n.jpg

    I'm afraid I wouldn't be into either of those. I actually searched "strong sexy woman" on google images to see if there was any woman I thought was attractive. One came up, but I'm not sure I'd consider her strong.

    To madam, I knew that some girls don't like muscley guys. Tbh I don't know too much about that side of things as I'm a guy and not into guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Those two are very good lucking and although they are muscular, they're a very a far ways away from what I thought the OP was talking about, I don't want to link a picture of the type of woman I don't find attractive because that would be quite wrong, but just the kind of woman that lifts weights in the olympics -- that's what kind of muscles i think would be very hard for me to be attracted to. As soon as their muscles start to become larger than mine there's a problem!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62



    "Pretty and masculine woman" is a bit of an oxymoron to me, because they are polar opposites in my mind. There can definitely still be attractive athletic women, but as soon as their physique starts to resemble a male, I, personally, find it very hard to find that woman attractive. I'm trying my hardest to be as sensitive about this as I can, but just I personally find this to be the case for me, and its not a general statement, just from my experience, this is what I've found.

    Would it be fair to say though that Katie Taylors body resembles what we think of as male because most women don't build that kind of upper body strength...? her body is very much still a womans body..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    lolo62 wrote: »
    When Katie Taylor won her medal during the summer I found it interesting (and infuriating) the amount of people who felt the need to point out 'and she's pretty like' as if the two can't go together; being physically strong and attractive

    I'm doing a lot of energy work at the moment where it's all about aggression and the 'masculine' part of me
    As I do and my body becomes stronger and sturdier I am finding it hard to tolerate anything like the above that suggests women being strong and/or aggressive is unattractive or wrong in any way

    anyone else have thoughts on this?

    It's an interesting point because in any sport if a man was physically strong it wouldn't be pointed out in the same shock "and he's hot too".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    To those who say that 'strong' women can't be attractive.

    What do you think of these two?

    600629_339089996200443_2087874962_n.jpg

    Also, who are these women? :eek: :o


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I read the title and didn't even think of physically strong women, though of women having strength mentally etc, and breaking barriers, which in fairness Katie Taylor e.g. has definitely done.

    I'd count her achievement in that regard far more highly then her physical ability, she threatened to leave womens boxing if they brought in a skirt uniforn and was influential in having that not come through.

    For me women being strong is not about physical ability, it's about having mental strength and acuity and challenging (albeit in a quiet way) stereotypes/perceived norms and progressing through them.

    Being beautiful and strong might also be related to women who are not physically strong but extremely good looking who have succeeded e.g. in the world of IT or business, think of the current COO of facebook, or the head of Ultimo.

    For those who aren't aware of whom I'm talking about the COO of facebook is Sheryl Sandberg, and who recently caused some controversy at Davos, by suggesting that women should talk to their companies and HR departments about their plans for children.

    sheryl-sandberg.jpg

    Michelle Mone is the head of Ultimo, a very successful underwear brand
    michelle_moneOBE%20WEB.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Strong is not inherently a masculine trait.
    Once you get over that silly assumption then it's easier to accept that
    women & men are a whole range of shapes and sizes, and that one does not
    need to look like a slab of beef or a pop sock full of wallnuts to be physically strong.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Morag wrote: »
    Strong is not inherently a masculine trait.
    Once you get over that silly assumption then it's easier to accept that
    women & men are a whole range of shapes and sizes, and that one does not
    need to look like a slab of beef or a pop sock full of wallnuts to be physically strong.

    Conversely, a lot of research has shown that people who are successful be they male or female, tend to have higher testosterone levels than most "normal" people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭Medu


    I don't think those comments really had anything to do with her body, it was more her face and her chosen profession. Similar things were same about Kenneth Egan. Floyd Mayweather was nicknamed 'Pretty Boy' due to not having a battered face like most boxers.
    Also, who are these women?

    I can't believe it's 2013 and people still don't know how to use Google!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    Medu wrote: »
    I can't believe it's 2013 and people still don't know how to use Google!!

    Cool your jets, I was saying it in a "wow they're hot" kind of way, opening up discussion etc. etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    Medu wrote: »
    I don't think those comments really had anything to do with her body, it was more her face and her chosen profession. Similar things were same about Kenneth Egan. Floyd Mayweather was nicknamed 'Pretty Boy' due to not having a battered face like most boxers.

    Thanks but you weren't there so if you are going to have to tell me what my experience was in order to input I'm not interested

    Some great comments above about strength and how we view it...I don't tune into mainstream media too much,sounds cliched but it's when I hear comments like the ones about Katie Taylor I realise just how much of a hold it has on peoples perception


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    lolo62 wrote: »
    When Katie Taylor won her medal during the summer I found it interesting (and infuriating) the amount of people who felt the need to point out 'and she's pretty like' as if the two can't go together; being physically strong and attractive

    I'm doing a lot of energy work at the moment where it's all about aggression and the 'masculine' part of me
    As I do and my body becomes stronger and sturdier I am finding it hard to tolerate anything like the above that suggests women being strong and/or aggressive is unattractive or wrong in any way

    anyone else have thoughts on this?
    Maybe it's because it's a male definition of what is attractive in a woman. As a woman who is also strong physically I know plenty of other women who find it attractive. (Sorry if that sounds narcissistic) Granted, they're more often women lovers themselves but it's always been commented on in a positive light by women generally.

    also, happy to see a thread with some very hot women in :D (I'd marry the blonde on the right)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Jerrica


    ashers22 wrote:
    Granted, they're more often women lovers themselves but it's always been commented on in a positive light by women generally.
    Although not intentionally there's another stereotype that's been introduced. You find physically strong women attractive, most likely a lesbian.

    Nothing wrong with saying some women find physically strong women attractive, period.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    Jerrica wrote: »
    Although not intentionally there's another stereotype that's been introduced. You find physically strong women attractive, most likely a lesbian.

    Nothing wrong with saying some women find physically strong women attractive, period.
    True, it's often associated with physically strong women but I train with a lot of other physically strong straight women too, don't think they'd particularly care if they were considered lesbians though, most of them are married anyway :)

    (actually a part of me didn't want to comment on my experiences with straight women finding it attractive because I didn't think it would be fair to them and didn't want to make them sound like they were gay, but yeah a lot straight women do find it attractive )


    edit: apologise if I'm making you sound like a lesbian for finding strong women attractive, I only woke up. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Jerrica


    I didn't bother me at all, I'm straight but find strength highly attractive - what kinda gets under my skin is that orientation even has to come into the equation!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    Jerrica wrote: »
    I didn't bother me at all, I'm straight but find strength highly attractive - what kinda gets under my skin is that orientation even has to come into the equation!!
    I am sorry, I should have thought about it more before I posted. I was just extrapolating based on my own experiences!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    ashers22 wrote: »
    True, it's often associated with physically strong women but I train with a lot of other physically strong straight women too, don't think they'd particularly care if they were considered lesbians though, most of them are married anyway :)

    (actually a part of me didn't want to comment on my experiences with straight women finding it attractive because I didn't think it would be fair to them and didn't want to make them sound like they were gay, but yeah a lot straight women do find it attractive )


    edit: apologise if I'm making you sound like a lesbian for finding strong women attractive, I only woke up. :)

    I have found myself being attracted to the masculine energy in some women also even though I'm straight
    I put it down to the fact there have been a lot of weak men in my life..
    I also think it's a kind of immature attraction based on perceiving strength to be physical only

    PS..there have also been a lot of weak women in my life too, not man hating here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭Medu


    lolo62 wrote: »
    Thanks but you weren't there so if you are going to have to tell me what my experience was in order to input I'm not interested

    Oh right, sorry. I wasn't there when Katie Taylor won her medal and I didn't hear the hear very similar comments to the ones that you mention in your post. It was all part of my vivid imagination, thanks for clearing that up!
    I stand by my comments, I believe it is more to do with the fact she is a boxer than the fact that is 'strong'. To be a top sports person one needs to be strong and aggressive yet many top female athletes are viewed as been attractive- why is that if people don't view physically strong, aggressive women as attractive?
    Cool your jets, I was saying it in a "wow they're hot" kind of way, opening up discussion etc. etc.

    No offence intended... well maybe just a slight diss!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    lolo62 wrote: »
    I have found myself being attracted to the masculine energy in some women also even though I'm straight
    I know a lot of straight women who do, I don't mean in a sexual way. Maybe it's something they wish to emulate in themselves. The reason why maybe I brought orientation into it is because I get to be around women who can be open about what they find attractive in other women so it's not unfamiliar territory to me.
    I put it down to the fact there have been a lot of weak men in my life..
    I also think it's a kind of immature attraction based on perceiving strength to be physical only

    PS..there have also been a lot of weak women in my life too, not man hating here
    I don't really associate it with masculinity tbh, maybe I just like things that go against the grain a bit. Gender bending a bit maybe, like I find a woman in a power suit extremely hot..if that makes sense.
    When I was young I used to compete in my field and was very strong, I hated my muscles as a teenage girl and was very embarrassed when going out so I wouldn't wear short sleeves in case someone commented on them. As I grew older I realised the comments were usually made by men who were probably threatened by my strength and I stopped caring whether they found me attractive, as it happened I discovered women found it very attractive indeed...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Women can be and some are Stong, Confident, Powerful and Dominant.
    It's not un feminine or mimicing men, it's just how they are.

    Assigning such traits to being the prevue of one gender is wrong and harmful to both genders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭loalae


    Stheno wrote: »

    For me women being strong is not about physical ability, it's about having mental strength and acuity and challenging (albeit in a quiet way) stereotypes/perceived norms and progressing through them.



    I don't understand why a woman would have to challenge something in a quiet way. What do you mean by this? Would she be less womanly or more weak if she challenged stereotypes/perceived norms in a more aggressive or loud way?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Medu wrote: »
    I can't believe it's 2013 and people still don't know how to use Google!!
    Well you can't, as far as I know, do a google search with images, only with words.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭riveratom


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Well you can't, as far a I know, do a google search with images, only with words.

    You can using Google image search, just use the little camera icon in the search bar.

    Strong is the new sexy, and there is nothing sexier than a woman who works out with weights and / or bodyweight exercises, push-ups, squats, etc.

    My ideal woman is a Crossfit girl (image search will get the picture across :))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭confusticated


    I think I'd agree that it could be down to Katie Taylor being a boxer - I never heard similar comments about Derval O'Rourke for example, who I think is attractive too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭riveratom


    lolo62 wrote: »
    When Katie Taylor won her medal during the summer I found it interesting (and infuriating) the amount of people who felt the need to point out 'and she's pretty like' as if the two can't go together; being physically strong and attractive

    I'm doing a lot of energy work at the moment where it's all about aggression and the 'masculine' part of me
    As I do and my body becomes stronger and sturdier I am finding it hard to tolerate anything like the above that suggests women being strong and/or aggressive is unattractive or wrong in any way

    anyone else have thoughts on this?

    I actually have a different take on this though. The way I read it is that people were saying 'isn't she an amazing athlete, AND she's very attractive'? Almost like it was an additional observation, on top of admiring her athletic prowess.

    I think you might be finding offense where none actually exists ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    riveratom wrote: »

    I actually have a different take on this though. The way I read it is that people were saying 'isn't she an amazing athlete, AND she's very attractive'? Almost like it was an additional observation, on top of admiring her athletic prowess.

    I think you might be finding offense where none actually exists ;)

    As I told the poster above that wasn't what was being implied...things always translate differently in text form
    you would have to have been there to be able to make the judgement you're making

    You might be coming from a good place but it comes across extremely simplistic and patronising
    I did, believe it or not, think about it in some depth before starting a discussion, and, having been there, know in what way the comments were being made


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,046 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    For me women and muscles and six packs is yuk. Thats just me though

    All the muscly ones are too thin, Gotta have some meat on you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    ashers22 wrote: »
    I know a lot of straight women who do, I don't mean in a sexual way. Maybe it's something they wish to emulate in themselves. The reason why maybe I brought orientation into it is because I get to be around women who can be open about what they find attractive in other women so it's not unfamiliar territory to me.


    I don't really associate it with masculinity tbh, maybe I just like things that go against the grain a bit. Gender bending a bit maybe, like I find a woman in a power suit extremely hot..if that makes sense.
    When I was young I used to compete in my field and was very strong, I hated my muscles as a teenage girl and was very embarrassed when going out so I wouldn't wear short sleeves in case someone commented on them. As I grew older I realised the comments were usually made by men who were probably threatened by my strength and I stopped caring whether they found me attractive, as it happened I discovered women found it very attractive indeed...

    I do actually find it sexually attractive..

    I think you've got a good point there about wanting to emulate also though
    I've done a lot of study on the psychology of this and people do actually become attracted to qualities they want themselves (or ones they have repressed)
    Men who aren't in their power are intimidated by women who are as well as women who 'look' powerful
    Same the other way around

    I'm working on all this really hard at the moment and am finding that a person in their power be they man or woman has a healthy access to their masculine and feminine sides

    It's a really interesting topic though, trying to figure out how much of a role gender plays in getting the balance right!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    riveratom wrote: »
    I actually have a different take on this though. The way I read it is that people were saying 'isn't she an amazing athlete, AND she's very attractive'? Almost like it was an additional observation, on top of admiring her athletic prowess.

    I think you might be finding offense where none actually exists ;)

    I wasn't there for the OP's situation so I don't know the intent or way in which the comment was said. However, you could be absolutely right that when people comment "isn't she an amazing athlete AND she's very attractive", they are simply adding an additional observation, a compliment.

    However, being very much into sport myself, discussing it with mates, reading the media etc. I've never seen someone say, with shock, that a male athlete is good looking too. Like "wow, he's such a powerful athlete AND he's good looking too" as if the two could never co-exist. Why? Because power, strength and fitness, is not associated with unattractiveness in men. In fact, quite the opposite. While the same qualities for women are associated with unattractivess for some men. Sure just read the comments on this thread with men saying they don't find physically strong women attractive (which is well within their right, btw, I'm not complaining).

    I don't find the issue particularly offensive by the way. I think it's a shame, but perfectly understandable given societial 'roles' of the two different genders. It's just an interesting topic though :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭snausages


    I don't think that strong women are unattractive, but I would be intimidated by any woman who was stronger/taller than me. For me at least I think it's more of an insecurity issue than anything else.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭Arawn


    To be fair when ypu think boxers you don't think good looking people as they spend their career getting punched in the face. So good loking boxers would be rare and I mean that male and female. Great bodies but rarely faces to write home about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Ella


    Arawn wrote: »
    To be fair when ypu think boxers you don't think good looking people as they spend their career getting punched in the face. So good loking boxers would be rare and I mean that male and female. Great bodies but rarely faces to write home about.
    :eek: What is wrong with you? Andy Lee and "pretty boy" Mayweather are tasty!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭Arawn


    Ella wrote: »
    :eek: What is wrong with you? Andy Lee and "pretty boy" Mayweather are tasty!

    You mean pretty boy who's made his whole career on not getting hit??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Ella


    Arawn wrote: »
    You mean pretty boy who's made his whole career on not getting hit??
    Well it is his job not to get hit tbf :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    And Tommy Bowe...?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭riveratom


    lolo62 wrote: »
    As I told the poster above that wasn't what was being implied...things always translate differently in text form
    you would have to have been there to be able to make the judgement you're making

    You might be coming from a good place but it comes across extremely simplistic and patronising
    I did, believe it or not, think about it in some depth before starting a discussion, and, having been there, know in what way the comments were being made

    If my comments are patronising that's your take on it I'm afraid, I'm pretty certain no-one else on thread would have taken them up that way. That wasn't the intention and as you say yourself things translate differently in text form.

    I would have had to have been there - you were talking about 'an amount of people' - how many people are we talking about here then?

    I would stand by my comment that I feel you are taking this too seriously. Katie is an amazing athlete and I have myself noted that she is very good-looking as well. I have never once thought 'oh wow look at her, how can she be attractive AND athletic/strong', in the way you are describing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭riveratom


    However, being very much into sport myself, discussing it with mates, reading the media etc. I've never seen someone say, with shock, that a male athlete is good looking too. Like "wow, he's such a powerful athlete AND he's good looking too" as if the two could never co-exist. Why? Because power, strength and fitness, is not associated with unattractiveness in men. In fact, quite the opposite. While the same qualities for women are associated with unattractivess for some men. Sure just read the comments on this thread with men saying they don't find physically strong women attractive (which is well within their right, btw, I'm not complaining).

    I don't find the issue particularly offensive by the way. I think it's a shame, but perfectly understandable given societial 'roles' of the two different genders. It's just an interesting topic though :)

    Well again, I really do think for most people it is just an additional observation, so I'm glad you think it might be the case too :)

    I don't think people are 'shocked' that a female athlete could also be good-looking. I think it really is more just that people are remarking 'wow she is all these amazing things and on top of all that she's attractive too' - sort of like the icing on the cake, if you will.

    Also, as mentioned earlier, boxers aren't generally known for their amazing good looks! Plus, are you seriously saying that women don't look at a male athlete and gasp at how 'hot' he is, etc?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    riveratom wrote: »
    If my comments are patronising that's your take on it I'm afraid, I'm pretty certain no-one else on thread would have taken them up that way.

    To be honest, I thought you came off a bit patronising too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭KamiKazeKitten


    B0jangles wrote: »
    To be honest, I thought you came off a bit patronising too.

    And on the flip side of that, I didn't think he sounded patronising at all.
    Things don't translate well on the internet I guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    riveratom wrote: »
    Well again, I really do think for most people it is just an additional observation, so I'm glad you think it might be the case too :)

    I don't think people are 'shocked' that a female athlete could also be good-looking. I think it really is more just that people are remarking 'wow she is all these amazing things and on top of all that she's attractive too' - sort of like the icing on the cake, if you will.

    Also, as mentioned earlier, boxers aren't generally known for their amazing good looks! Plus, are you seriously saying that women don't look at a male athlete and gasp at how 'hot' he is, etc?!

    Well, I think it's pretty much 50-50. It's just as likely for a comment like this to be made in an observational complimentary way, as it is to be made in a shocked condescending way (for want of a better description!) so either of us could be right to be fair! :)

    To be honest, maybe it's because I don't really comment on athletes or celebrities 'bad looks' - I only seem to comment on someones good looks when I fancy them :pac: but I haven't heard of this "boxers are known for their bad looks" thing...it sure makes sense seeing as they get their faces punched out of it!! But to be honest I can think of several good looking boxers and the rest seem average/just below average to me!

    Certainly women comment on how hot David Beckham is or any rugby player so it seems!! But my point is you'd never hear a woman say "David Beckham is such a skilled footballer, I can't believe he's so hot too!!" or "Tommy Bowe is really strong, AND he's good looking too?!!?" in a shocked way. Again, perhaps I am just thinking of specific phrases with a specific tone and specific intent, using the OP's example.


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